sugar injection to plants .

wiseguy316 said:

u missed it,,why inject sugar when the roots will do the work for you,,that is their job

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1_uez5WX1o

also if you still dont understand . theres a song for you .

little off subject.............. but i have a friend that takes a steak knife and sticks it into the stem of the plant about a week and a half before harvest. He then takes and twists it twice a day. Not to the point it cuts down the plant, but it puts a lot of stress on the girls. He claims that the plants think there in trouble and put every last effort into tryin to make seed. I wont lie, he is a master of horticulture. And hes produced some of the best ive ever had. I dont do it, but hes a firm believer. Not what you were talking about drastic non the same.

plants do take in sugar to relive the plant fro0m making it on their own to increase the essential oils. now it can spend energy on other things it needs is why we use it...but injecting it does nothing for them as anything we give them must be converted before they can intake any foods. is why organics are slower. they need to be converted before a nd synthetics are already converted.
all food must be attached to either a salt molecule or a carbon for organics. just add it to the water.

Medi 1 said:

plants do take in sugar to relive the plant fro0m making it on their own to increase the essential oils. now it can spend energy on other things it needs is why we use it...but injecting it does nothing for them as anything we give them must be converted before they can intake any foods. is why organics are slower. they need to be converted before a nd synthetics are already converted.
all food must be attached to either a salt molecule or a carbon for organics. just add it to the water.

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I found that very interesting .
but wouldnt it be possibly to find some sort of synthetic sugar then ?

have you heard of "ask ed" it seems pretty legit .
I will be trying this , I wanna see it first hand .
if it dies it dies .
but I might have to order syringes online . is that heat ?

go to a drug store and buy them. they have them for diabetics. you want a more poure form of sugar as they cant uptake much of the complex sugars. i use reg table sugar on water days and have also used sucrose/glucose and other sugar subs

This will not work at all, sorry folks.

Plants are specifically designed to make sugar, not use it. They uptake CO2 through their stomatas, light through their chloroplast, and use water/minerals from the soil to create glucose/oxygen.

Injecting the plant with sugar, will do nothing more than block the xylem from pumping precious h20 to the top of the plant, resulting in a dead plant.

As medi1 stated, sucrose/glucose, sucrose MAY WORK, but glucose hell no...

heres a write up on some sugar info on one of our products

Unique Carbohydrate Blend - Dextrose, Arabinose, Xylose, Glucose, Fructose, Maltose, are just some of the carbs in Massive Bloom Formulation. External sources of carbs allow the plant to focus its energy on flowering and essential oil production instead of taxing itself trying to produce food
also, Triacantanol an alcohol based sugar found in bees waste and alfalfa, its increases photosynthisus and increase chlorphyll content, cell density and increase Co2 assimulation

mattman said:

This will not work at all, sorry folks.

Plants are specifically designed to make sugar, not use it. They uptake CO2 through their stomatas, light through their chloroplast, and use water/minerals from the soil to create glucose/oxygen.

Injecting the plant with sugar, will do nothing more than block the xylem from pumping precious h20 to the top of the plant, resulting in a dead plant.

As medi1 stated, sucrose/glucose, sucrose MAY WORK, but glucose hell no...

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So the plants make sugar...and then discard every last bit of it? No...plants make sugars, and then use most of it. A plant will release some of it's sugars through its roots to help feed the symbiotic relationship with the soil microbes, hence people feed with molasses. Injecting a plant could be beneficial. Yes plants have roots to uptake nutrients. But think about this: We have a digestive tract to uptake nutrients and whatnot, but we get injected with all kinds of shit all the time. Injecting the plants might be a good way to speed up the plant, or speed up healing. Take a plant severe nitrogen deficiency...inject that bitch with some plant usable nitrogen and maybe she'll recover quicker than foliar feeding or root feeding. Could work with the sugars also...but I'd make sure the plant can definitely use it in the form you give it.

Unless you know (or can learn) how to mix up an isotonic sugar solution for cannabis, it's almost a given you will end up damaging/destroying any cells that come into contact with the injected solution. If you are serious about trying this, try finding out if anyone has researched how to do this or if it's even possible. A refractometer might be useful for this - don't know... just pointing out a very big potential flaw if you were just planning on mixing something up and injecting it.

Glucose, fructose, sucrose, and starch are all used by plants as carbohydrates if you can find a pure form of any of those.

Depending on which state you are in, you may be able to purchase a small number of insulin syringes over the counter with no prescription - do a web search on your state and see.

I'm curious to see if maybe giberellins* spelling?...would have an effect being used this way...

TaoWolf said:

Unless you know (or can learn) how to mix up an isotonic sugar solution for cannabis, it's almost a given you will end up damaging/destroying any cells that come into contact with the injected solution. If you are serious about trying this, try finding out if anyone has researched how to do this or if it's even possible. A refractometer might be useful for this - don't know... just pointing out a very big potential flaw if you were just planning on mixing something up and injecting it.

Glucose, fructose, sucrose, and starch are all used by plants as carbohydrates if you can find a pure form of any of those.

Depending on which state you are in, you may be able to purchase a small number of insulin syringes over the counter with no prescription - do a web search on your state and see.

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have you ever heard of "ask ed" its actually pretty popular .
he writes a column in "cannabis culture" .

people ask , he tells .
he seems to know his shit .
however about the whole type of sugar stuff . about damaging the plant ...

thats why its posted =p .
I want to learn how to do it properly but there VERY little information out there .
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I'm moving soon , ill try to do a 3 v 3 comparison . a small dosage shot a week or something .

I wouldn't waste time injecting sugar. if you have to inject anything, make it growth regulators. Google them and steroid your plants up like a race horse.

I have always been curious about the growth type hormones(plant roids), i mean farmers use them effectively. And true many pot smokers/growers are straight up hippies and discourage this type of action, i cant help but wonder what the possibilities could be.

wouldnt advice doing the injecting sugar as i said before nor the hormones. it dont work to juist add more. needs to be in certain measurments or it blocks others out and may just get a tall lanky stretched plant. or no growth at all. most foods already have the needed hortmoens and other in it at the right ballances. only thinbg injecting sugar will do is clog up the plant. it cant proxcess suagr or any food this way. it has to go through a chemical change to be a food to them. till then its its sugar and does nothing. has to be a salt or a carbon molecule attached to the element to become a food for a plant. this is why synthetic are avail right away and organic isnt. synthetic is already turned to a salt by us. the organic does it in the medium

this seems to be a very split opinion topic lol .

karr said:

I have always been curious about the growth type hormones(plant roids), i mean farmers use them effectively. And true many pot smokers/growers are straight up hippies and discourage this type of action, i cant help but wonder what the possibilities could be.

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do you know what the hormones are called ?

Fazz said:

do you know what the hormones are called ?

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They are called auxins. Sticking anything through the stem of your plant is going to cause a huge amount of stress which could make the plant hermie.

ill stick to good old nutes

Medi 1 said:

plants do take in sugar to relive the plant fro0m making it on their own to increase the essential oils. now it can spend energy on other things it needs is why we use it...but injecting it does nothing for them as anything we give them must be converted before they can intake any foods. is why organics are slower. they need to be converted before a nd synthetics are already converted.
all food must be attached to either a salt molecule or a carbon for organics. just add it to the water.

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Dood, there is some truth to what you say but most of what you just wrote is total bull shit. Plants use sucrose as a transport molecule via the phloem. It is used as it is more stable and more efficient to use than glucose. Eventually the plant will break it down and use its constituents in respiration (produce ATP). Plants use active transport to move minerals from soil into the xylem (this is the function of the root). The sugars are made by photosynthesis in the leaves, and travel in the phloem.

True plant food is carbon dioxide, water, glucose and essential minerals (NPK etc), all of which go to make ATP which is the energy storage molecule (gasoline) that directly fuels anabolic and catabolic reactions required for the life and health of the plant.

You cant just inject the plant with a syringe and hope it's going to get a boost from that somehow. You'd have to hit the phloem during the dark cycle to ride the flow to the buds. You'd have to get the needle directly into the vein of the phloem without damaging it. An aphid proboscis is about the right tool for the job, not an insulin needle. Then your injection would have to be a sterile solution and it would need to be the same molarity of the phloem, about 1 molar. The same exact pH. And to top it all off you would likely fuck up your plant due to some pretty critical physiologic feedback loops that are directly triggered by changes in sucrose concentration, molarity and pH.

The best thing you can do for your plant is stick it in a medium, water it, keep soil bacteria and fungi balanced and happy, add essential minerals, monitor humidity and give it light and dark. Let the plant do the rest. After all, the design has been refined over the last several million years and humans didn't have shit to do with any of it.

Leaf to phloem to root bidirectional to support respiration. Root to xylem unidirectional always towards the leaf and bud to provide essential minerals for growth and reproduction. How you know if you tapped the phloem or the xylem? That's the first question you solve in this process.

Then get hooked up with a state of the art plant physiology lab and run some experiments for a couple of years to figure out all the other questions, variables and controls needed to make that one perfect injection using a needle the size of an aphids proboscis.

Fucking hilarious!! Thanks for the laugh.

Medi 1 said:

heres a write up on some sugar info on one of our products

Unique Carbohydrate Blend - Dextrose, Arabinose, Xylose, Glucose, Fructose, Maltose, are just some of the carbs in Massive Bloom Formulation. External sources of carbs allow the plant to focus its energy on flowering and essential oil production instead of taxing itself trying to produce food
also, Triacantanol an alcohol based sugar found in bees waste and alfalfa, its increases photosynthisus and increase chlorphyll content, cell density and increase Co2 assimulation

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Dood those sugars go into the soil water and feed the soil bacteria and fungi. They are not absorbed by the roots. Many soil microbes can process just about any sugar worth processing.

That's what the soil microbes do to animal wastes that contain sugars, proteins and lipids.