Sugar/Crystal Production

TheOrganic

TheOrganic

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I grew out RP OG Kush organic with no flush just water last 9 days and burns white tastes good but always could cure for longer.
THC production is strain also Or just the plant itself doing its own thing. How close your lights are also helps.....I notice my tops close to light don't quite get as frosty as some being shaded by fan leaves. But my room tends to jump to 83deg dead heat of summer on that plant. So keeping cool helps.Just my 2 cents. Peace
 
RanTyr

RanTyr

Active Member
hellraizer30 said:
Well i dont see any grows under your belt or
Proof you know anything about growing so say what
You want theres a ton of troll and i guess heres
Another to funny
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My unwillingness to upload what would be damning evidence against me is not on trial here, nor is my overall experience or lack thereof on any particular subject. I made precise points and you refused to even acknowledge that they were even stated. You can pretend I didn't raise any points and laugh me off, but that only undermines yourself to any impartial observer.

My points still stand and we can have a dialogue about them, as rational adults, if you would like. I don't foresee that happening given your post history, sadly.
 
RanTyr

RanTyr

Active Member
Jumping to conclusions about my motives is silly, at best, on the interwebs. I am certain if you read my reply above yours, it will dispel your flimsy charge that I am a troll.

Can we stay on topic here?
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
you got nothing to back up your statment, and your not willing to. You claim my history here on riu isnt of any value or credit lol so
this convo with you is worthless, theres way more than enough people here to back me up on my history of being helpful and suppling
useful info! campared to your lack of history/time/rep/ anything there is no comparison peace!!
 
Kaptain Kron

Kaptain Kron

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lets just say theres a reason for letting your plants fade out, anytime it thinks its going to die it makes a final push for life, its why when you put it in darkness for 48 hours it puts out more trichomes, what you are doing is starving the plant for nutrients at the end, its good for smoke quality and it is what i would consider "flushing" "flushing" to me is not drowning your plant with water its just watering with water only for the last week to two weeks before harvest. Have i noticed more trichome production doing this than when i feed til the last day and chop? Absolutely and my smoke also tastes better as well. Anyone who tells you to give nutrients to your buds up until the last day of harvest is not getting the full potential out of their nug. You can cure the chem taste out but it takes way longer. With organically grown hydro nug i "flush" for a week its just normal feeding schedule only no nutrients in the resivoir. When growing organically in soil where you ammend the soil and add nothing but water there is no way to flush so to get the best tasting product you have to determine how long your plant goes and how much nutrients will carry it that long and let it start to fade at the end. How do you think subcool pulls such amazing colors and trich production from his plants, its not just cool temps doing that a lot has to do with fade. I know because i can tell you i have a white widow and a reserva privada og 18 that are going to turn purple on the fade, found out by accident because my soil went def on me in the mother room and i had to repot in some good soil.

Letting your plants fade is a good thing but you can go too far.
 
panhead

panhead

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homebrewer said:
By giving the plant what it needs at all times, you'll realize it's genetic potential. You're suggesting shorting the plant in effort to get more of something, which makes no sense.

Fed up until harvest day which is when the pic was taken:

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Ive been growing soil over 20 years now & 4 years with flood & drain,when i have a problem i need help figuring out i look thru your posts first,normaly i find the help i need.

I Just wanted you to know how highly i regard your advice & skills before i proceed.

Ok this problem he is describing is a problem i had for 2 fukin years & it drove me nuts trying to figure it out,i know exactly what he is describing,all plants are the same size,same cola size,same secondary bud size,same amount of leaves ect,only one set of plants has no crystal formation on the buds,they look like they have been wiped clean of all trichomes,when you scope those buds trichomes are not covering the bud,they are present but in low numbers.

Am i correct in my description hellraizer ?

I had this problem in every table,grow after grow but only in my hydro grows,the fukin soil plants were allways covered in so many trichs they look sugar coated,this told me its something to do with my feeding regime in the flood tables.

I am a firm believer in the homebrewer albfuct style of growing,fuck flushing,feed plants to the last day giving them the food they need & this style has never let me down with over 20 years in soil so i knew it wasnt the no flush theory.

After endless research i focused on the aspect of TOO MUCH NITROGEN which will delay finish time,i started lowering the amount of nitrogen i fed the plants durring bud,at 1st i lowered it enough where i had leaves turning yellow all over the plants,this 100% corrected the problem,all buds on all plants were white as snow,only problem was harvest weights were down about 15%.

On subsequent grows i slowly increased nitrogen durring budding until i got it right,now i feed up till harvest but with decreased nitro & ppm at or under 1,000,this corrected the problem so well i never think of it any longer,all plants are a lush green color & all buds are completely covered in trichomes.

Its too much nitrogen durring bud stage,start cutting back about 10% on the nitro,it dont take enough to burn the plant to stop trochome production,im not sure of the science behind it but im positive too much nitrogen will hamper trichome formation/production.

Homebrewer,any idea how or why my problem was corrected by lowering the nitrogen,all i know is it worked but i would love to know why it works.
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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panhead said:
Homebrewer,any idea how or why my problem was corrected by lowering the nitrogen,all i know is it worked but i would love to know why it works.
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First of all, thank you for the kind words. In regards to the nutritional needs of our plants in hydro, I've noticed a few things:

Plants use more N during the first 3 weeks than the last 3 weeks (Use just enough to keep the leaves healthy and green).

Plants don't need as much food as we think they do.

Plants that have been stressed (...from bugs, heat, over watering, poor root health, over-feeding, feeding too much of the wrong foods, etc.) don't produce as well, don't pump out a lot of resin and aren't as aromatic as unstressed plants.

I've used high nitrogen formulas before and it didn't seem to affect resin production as much as it did bud density and the leafiness of the plants. You mentioned the fact that you now feed at or below 1000ppms. I'm assuming the .7 scale which equates to about 1.5 EC which IMO is pretty hot. By monitoring the daily drops in EC/ppm throughout a grow cycle, one can get a very good idea how much food they should be giving their plants given the 'stage' of growth. Many companies ramp up the EC/ppm until their recommend flush, I do the opposite. In your case, and this is a total guess, I think your resin production problem was related to feeding too much of the wrong ratios.
 
panhead

panhead

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Homebrewer,im of the same mind where i think my ratio was off with the nitro,do you think this can also be the case in whats happening to the op of the threads plants ?

His problem sounds dead nuts what my problem was,its weird as fuk to see,one plant will look like a high times centerfold it is so resinous while the one next to it is solid leaf & bud material,not any visable trichomes that on the other plants looked like frosted flakes sugar coating,the effected plants are missing all the sugar coating.

Do you think his ratios are off ?

One other question if you dont mind.

I read your general hydro vs threads,good shit man,i didnt want to help hijack the threads with the other morons by going off topic but i never found your altered feeding schedule for the gh 3 part you used to use.

Can you post up the schedule from the gh 3 part you were running,i use thay same formula & i would love to run a few tables using your exact feeding regime so if you can remember i would love the following.

Veg.
flora gro = ppm
Flora micro =ppm
flora bloom =ppm

Transition
Gro = ppm
Micro =ppm
Bloom =ppm

Bud
gro =ppm
Micro =ppm
Bloom =ppm

Heavy bud
Gro =ppm
Micro =ppm
Bloom=ppm

I think it would be awesome to try a proven ratio against the mix im using,thanks.
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

Well-Known Member
panhead said:
do you think this can also be the case in whats happening to the op of the threads plants ?
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I took a peek at some of his plants recently and I don't think he's having any resin issues these days as they look very nice.



Do you think his ratios are off ?
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One of the things I didn't like about the GH 3part was that you couldn't scale back the nitrogen without scaling back all the micro nutrients since they're in the same bottle. I don't think that presented any issues for me but I always felt like I was over-supplying nitrogen at the end.


Can you post up the schedule from the gh 3 part you were running,i use thay same formula & i would love to run a few tables using your exact feeding regime so if you can remember i would love the following.

Veg.
flora gro = ppm
Flora micro =ppm
flora bloom =ppm

Transition
Gro = ppm
Micro =ppm
Bloom =ppm

Bud
gro =ppm
Micro =ppm
Bloom =ppm

Heavy bud
Gro =ppm
Micro =ppm
Bloom=ppm

I think it would be awesome to try a proven ratio against the mix im using,thanks.
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I'll send you a pm about this.
 
billy4479

billy4479

Moderator
Kaptain Kron said:
lets just say theres a reason for letting your plants fade out, anytime it thinks its going to die it makes a final push for life, its why when you put it in darkness for 48 hours it puts out more trichomes, what you are doing is starving the plant for nutrients at the end, its good for smoke quality and it is what i would consider "flushing" "flushing" to me is not drowning your plant with water its just watering with water only for the last week to two weeks before harvest. Have i noticed more trichome production doing this than when i feed til the last day and chop? Absolutely and my smoke also tastes better as well. Anyone who tells you to give nutrients to your buds up until the last day of harvest is not getting the full potential out of their nug. You can cure the chem taste out but it takes way longer. With organically grown hydro nug i "flush" for a week its just normal feeding schedule only no nutrients in the resivoir. When growing organically in soil where you ammend the soil and add nothing but water there is no way to flush so to get the best tasting product you have to determine how long your plant goes and how much nutrients will carry it that long and let it start to fade at the end. How do you think subcool pulls such amazing colors and trich production from his plants, its not just cool temps doing that a lot has to do with fade. I know because i can tell you i have a white widow and a reserva privada og 18 that are going to turn purple on the fade, found out by accident because my soil went def on me in the mother room and i had to repot in some good soil.

Letting your plants fade is a good thing but you can go too far.
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So i really like the first sentce of this qoute ...I mean if your think about it the plants grow the sticky tric's in hopes of catching pollen in the wind ...The plant may relize that its food source is being depleted ....and allthough a fruit has formed it is still with out seed and a kind of desprete strugle at the end it might make it devote more of its store resources in the leaves and transform them into more trics in hopes of reproduction ...just a theory but it might explain what hell raizer witnessed in his own crop .......................................................................on a completely deffernt note about the flushing topic discussed here ive herd and this could be a romur so dont take it as fact ...Ive Herd that it is the sugar content or brix level of a plant that can give it a harsh tast if a plant has a high sugar content it is harsh a low sugar content is good smoke , So hearing this made me think about with outher crops like tomatos and strawberry's there usally picked with in a short window when the Brix level is the highest beond or be for that point the may tast tart or sour ...maybe harvest timing has a lot to do with tast ......nothing really written in stone on this post just stuff to pounder on ..
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
This was when i started geting heavy into hydro and nown all is good and im cutting back nitrogen also,
And seeing much better results, but im still flushing the last 2 weeks but in a more way like a heaving
Drug addict does to wing off the chemicals so its not a 100% flush
 
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