Ok, can you please re-explain?
"everytime someone calls the city to get a light installed on the light pole outside their house, they are charged a 60-100 dollar fee. aka, they pay for the light to be put up, and then they pay their electricity bill on it" -- that makes it sound like people pay for the light in front of their house, and pay to have it replaced.
"Every light that goes out on your light pole is replaced free of charge by the city aka the tax payers." -- THAT makes it sound like the taxpayers pay for it.</quote>
Ok- jesus i feel like im trying to teach a retard sign language. - when the light is put up, theres 1 charge of 60-100 dollars. OK? Are you following or have i lost you? I probably lost you, but ill continue anyways. When that light goes missing or blows, the city comes and replaces it. The home owner is not charged any fees for replacing the bulb. i said that is the sentence below it. Dont guess you can read very well.
So who pays for it, the person who owns the house, or the taxpayers? Are you saying the person who owns the house pays for the original installation, and the tax payers pay for the replacements when they're stolen? Isn't that still stealing from the taxpayers then?</quote>
The fact the home owner paid for the installation of that light, plus the fact that the homeowner pays his taxes, which in return covers the cost of replacing that 1 bulb, gives that homeowner the right to go get his bulb he paid for with his taxes if he likes. The homeowner next to him pays his taxes also. So he also has the right to grab a light. and so on and so forth. If the original homeowner were to go grab his bulb and his neighbors bulb, then that in fact would be innappropriate and i would consider that stealing.
And who says this guy is only stealing the street light in front of his house? Most people I've heard of stealing street lights were NOT stealing the one right in front of their house. </quote>
Never said stealing more then 1 street light was right.. like i said stealing/taking 1 street light is ok. Now if you wanna be picky and say, ah but what if its not the street light in front of your own house. It doesnt matter. The community pays taxes and its put into a big pool of money and that pool of money buys all the bulbs. Get it? so your part of the pool of money covers your for 1 bulb.
I don't know where you live, but at this time of year, it dark outside by 5. I know I was allowed to play outside past 5.</quote>
Well it dont get dark here until 7 or 8. But thats not the point, the point is in most places there isnt street light hung. Just like my neighborhood i recently moved into. There were no street lights at all. it was completely dark around here. My dad went through the neighborhood and hung the lights and connected them to the main line so no one had to pay electricity on them and the city never knew he put them there. so they're basically free lights for our community. No one is paying for them.
Kids don't always think about cars, they don't always think to look both ways, especially if they're younger. Kids assume the cars will stop, that the person will see them.</quote>
Car's headlights are designed to shine far enough ahead to give the driver plenty of time to stop. Now if the car is already withing 5 feet of the child, the child would actually have to run and jump to get hit by the car. I've never known a kid to get hit in a residential neighborhood anyways. Even if the kid did jump out there, the car isnt supposed to be going over 15 mph or so anyways, so it would be the cars fault. Not the street lights fault.(if you will)
It is not that far fetched that a kid could get hit in a residential neighborhood because the driver couldn't see him. All it takes is a kid running out from between two cars and the driver not seeing them in time.
And what if the kid was deaf? You don't know any deaf children? I do.</qoute>
you're assuming i dont know any deaf children, and why are you even bring this up, it has nothing to do with our arguement. Sure i know deaf children, I know they cant fucking hear, duh! So what?
Everything you said did nothing to prove that a kid couldn't get hurt because a driver couldn't see him because someone stole a street light.</quote>
Street light is not the only factor. Theres usually headlights from cars or if there isnt headlights from cars, then its usually quiet and the only thing u CAN hear is the cars tires on the pavement closing in. i think it would take either a blind,deaf, or kid with down syndrome to get hit by a car in a residential neighborhood. And if the kid has any of those problems the kid shouldnt be out at even dusk.
What are you talking about? Why are you bringing up the Bible, or Church? Did I mention either of those things? I don't remember it if I did, but then again I'm pretty high right now. </quote>
the bible thing was referring to the question you asked about why i asked if you went to church, its just a question, and no i didnt say it had anything to do with this arguement. It was for my own satisfaction of knowing that im working with a brain washed individual. That's all.
Do you really think the only reason stealing is wrong is because the Church or the government says so? I don't, and I don't believe others do either. I know plenty of Atheists who hate thieves on GP. Has nothing to do with God, or the government. </quote>
Stealing is wrong.. never said it wasnt wrong. However there you go again referring to stealing in GENERAL. Not this particular case. I however dont agree with your statement: stealing is stealing is stealing. Stealing a light bulb off a light pole is in no way the same as stealing 4 billion dollars cash from a bank. Your gunna need to open your mind up a little bit to understand that concept.
Stealing is wrong. The Golden Rule is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. You don't steal because you would not appreciate being stolen from.</quote>
Yes do un to others as you would have them do un to you. That statement in no way referrs to the fact that getting a light, you paid for, off of a pole, is wrong.
The Golden Rule isn't based on the bible, it's based on ethics stemming from Greek philosophy. Ethic of reciprocity, it's a fundamental moral value.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocity</quote>
Yep, Greece, where our government originated...
Are you serious? You really think marijuana is illegal because it "unbrainwashes people"? lol, that's so silly I'm not even gonna bother with it.
Ok, dont bother with it. Only because you cant Prove that statement wrong. Prove it, and ill will rest my case!
) is right, this is a discussion about opinions and can't really ever be settled, but in the words of Joseph somebody "It is better to debate an argument without settling it then to settle an argument without debating it."
haha, eewwww im scared of an infraction! I've already gotten one. I'm still here posting, am i not? go ahead, dont bother me none, even if you banned my account, ill just make another one and be right back on here posting again. So threaten me with your silly infractions all you want, it's whatever
