Starbucks and Amazon will not help homeless

Rob Roy

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you sound grumpy about being too incompetent and stupid to build to code
That's pretty ironic blind squirrel. You sometimes are a clairvoyant savant.


I AM grumpy today, since I volunteered to build a wheel chair ramp and wouldn't you know it the code concerning the angle of the ramp was the shitty part. Nobody knew it, certainly not me. So I built it so fucking flat even a lard ass codes douche could waddle up it and be happy.

Wasn't my property, otherwise I'd have punched the codes douche in the face and made him serve me. That's the way to get service right? By threatening people?
 

Fogdog

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If you take all the liberals living in that area, and get each one to agree to put a tent in their yard once a year for the homeless to crash in feed them 3 meals that day, your problem would be solved.
The conservatives caused the problem they own fixing it. I say we simply take their houses away and give them to the homeless. Let conservatives move to places that want them like Idaho.
 

Fogdog

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I can only comment on the situation in the UK under a Conservative Government, which is broadly sticking to the Reaganomics and Thatcher policies of the past: The Government has engaged in so much systematic privatisation over 40 years, asset stripping and sale of public assets that it is now so far gone, the Government has virtually no real legislative control over all of the industries that were once governed by the public sector.

Public servants in Britain are seen as the enemy, as people who get fat off of the tax-payer without providing anything, despite the fact we are the Doctors & Nurses, the Police, The Child Protection, the help for homeless, the street cleaners and pot-hole fillers, the bin collectors, the town planners and agriculturalists, the regulators of democracy and the defenders of the public interest. What does business contribute to match this?

The result that we've witnessed is the balance of power now being in the hands of private enterprise and large corporations, who at any fear of profits dropping to the detriment of shareholders, will threaten the mantra of "jobs will be lost". We put business on a pedestal in this country and worship it as the creator of jobs, forgetting that we do still need public servants and institutions and people to manage the infrastructure that allows business to exist in the first place.

Business is still a relatively new concept in today's format compared with public institutions and moral obligation for egalitarian society, which can trace its roots back pretty much to the very first communities of civilisation (Think the Roman Senate, the Ancient Egyptian system of Pharoah's providing labour on monument projects). There was a sense of obligation in the upper classes right up to the end of the mid 20th Century that the wealthy should be providing jobs and purpose to those lesser off.

This sense of moral purpose has evaporated with a new wave of people who now exist in the corporate world, earning high salaries in boardrooms but had no actual hand in the construction and growth of the company. This is seen in pretty much every line of British Business, a class of parasitic managers who worship globalisation and automation as the future.

And be that as it may, you cannot put that genie back into the bottle, we in the UK are unable to have a mature debate about the fundamental shift in society we are going to see in the 21st Century caused by inevitable automation and the displacement of low skilled work that the majority of UK workers do rely on. This has been compounded by a net increase via immigration of 250,000 people a year under the most recent figures, the majority of which are also unskilled labour.

The pincer movement by the upper classes of the inevitability of globalisation and automation, coupled with an unwillingness to sort out UK immigration policy, as it is in the interests of big business to have an over-supply of cheap unskilled labour to supress wage growth and therefore, living standards, all helps contribute to the continued siphoning of profits into the pockets of off-shore faceless shareholders, with that money never re-entering the capitalist system at the bottom.

Who is going to drive the economy forwards when all of the consumers have watched their disposable income shrink to a nothing?

In Britain, we now measure success through material wealth and an unhealthy fixation on GDP and economic growth, rather than measuring our rate of progress as a nation through Education, Life Expectancy, Healthcare Standards and Leisure Time (the things that matter and are true hallmarks of progress) Things I hasten to add that we have slipped down on the global rankings in every way.

Somebody else has described corporations here as "people too" but they're not are they? Who is held accountable for when things go wrong? "Sir" Fred Goodwin? "Sir" Phillip Green? (look them up). Business is a good thing and capitalism is the most effective model humanity has come up with so far, but in the UK it has gone too far into the hands of business and regulation is now so weak and transparent that there is nobody to ensure that standards are kept.

An inherent human aspect the concept of Capitalism does not factor in, is hardwired greed. Simply put, you cannot rely on businesses to do the morally right thing. They are fundamentally there to produce profit, which is fine when you have public services that are fit for purpose and fill in the gaps for all the other things people need. With public services now broken down to the lowest state they have been in the UK since 1945 and indeed in the case of Electricity, Gas, Water, Rail Services, Bus Services and even Local Government, these are now all owned by corporations who post growing profits each and every year. How can anybody justify the privatisation of a natural monopoly?

It took centuries of skill and PUBLIC money to construct our national grid, our railways, our ports and the like - and just 40 years to sell it all off into the backpockets of a select few morally bankrupt spivs. These days anybod who dares suggest that a little more regulation in business is required is denounced as a "COMMUNIST" without having the first clue what true communism is like (suppression, secret police, one party state).

Whilst it is a true philosophy that homeless people will always exist, this is a hard fact of life, this doesn't mean we need to exacerbate the problem does it?

UK Capitalism has now virtually become Feudalism. Instead of Lords of the Manor you have Directors of the Board. In 1000 years, nothing has really changed has it?
Sounds reminiscent of the US only we don't have a universal health care system and a LOT of people here actually believe that the wealthy should be coddled.

I'm struggling with the historical perspective though. Before the turn of the previous century monarchy was practically the status quo. There was a huge pool of people living on the edge in Britain. When WW1 broke out, British military found that British draftees from the lower classes (in other words most of the soldiers) stunted in growth with health problems due to undernourishment. The Axis had a size advantage due to this. People in the US also claim some golden era when "people weren't like this". We did have a golden era after WW2 that lasted about 20 years. As far as comparison with the feudal era, I know people who only fantasize about being a knight or nobility. Being a peasant wasn't all that great and nobility weren't exactly chums with them. Roman Senators were hardly concerned about the plebs. Plebs staged some bitterly fought protests and strikes to get the rights they eventually obtained.

This is all to say that in many respects, yes, over the past 40 years or so, we have in fact seen degradation in status and wealth of the middle and lower classes. I can't say if I would feel the same if I lived in the UK but I'm fairly optimistic that we in the US are seeing the tide turn on our march toward some sort of evil amalgam of fascism and oligarchy. We can expect a turbulent next 10 years but demographics are shifting the political direction away from Trumpers and right wing government in the US.
 

Ripped Farmer

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The conservatives caused the problem they own fixing it. I say we simply take their houses away and give them to the homeless. Let conservatives move to places that want them like Idaho.

So instead of offering your hand, you would rather fight to take someone else's stuff away for purposes of redistribution.

Nope, dont like that. Never gonna happen. Just like liberals offering up their bleeding hearts to more than words and marches. Never gonna see a tent in their yards, ever.
 

UncleBuck

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So instead of offering your hand, you would rather fight to take someone else's stuff away for purposes of redistribution.

Nope, dont like that. Never gonna happen. Just like liberals offering up their bleeding hearts to more than words and marches. Never gonna see a tent in their yards, ever.
How’s the tax evasion going, ya criminal illegal
 

Fogdog

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So instead of offering your hand, you would rather fight to take someone else's stuff away for purposes of redistribution.

Nope, dont like that. Never gonna happen. Just like liberals offering up their bleeding hearts to more than words and marches. Never gonna see a tent in their yards, ever.
Hey, you voiced a silly and extreme idea. I voiced mine. Too funny that you took mine seriously when I simply laughed at your silly idea. Neither were ever going to happen, meat.
 

Ripped Farmer

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Hey, you voiced a silly and extreme idea. I voiced mine. Too funny that you took mine seriously when I simply laughed at your silly idea. Neither were ever going to happen, meat.
But your silly extreme idea still revolved around you not helping anyone and putting the burden on someone else to pay. Mine just simply asked those complaining to do something about it themselves, which I see now is very extreme when asking a bleeder to use their own means instead of others.
 

Badfishy1

Member
Not if they have housing.
Considering some people CHOOSE to be homeless for whatever their own reasons may be, the availability to house every homeless person is a moot point. I’m sure most people cannot understand the reason people choose this lifestyle, but there are people that don’t subscribe to work eat sleep rinse and repeat cycle. Some are happy to have nothing tying them down. So whether or not there is available housing, there will ALWAYS be homeless. And of course Amazon and Starbucks won’t do shit for homeless. You don’t charge $6 for a cup of coffee with ‘humanity’ in mind. You charge $6 for coffee to line pockets
 

Fogdog

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Considering some people CHOOSE to be homeless for whatever their own reasons may be, the availability to house every homeless person is a moot point. I’m sure most people cannot understand the reason people choose this lifestyle, but there are people that don’t subscribe to work eat sleep rinse and repeat cycle. Some are happy to have nothing tying them down. So whether or not there is available housing, there will ALWAYS be homeless. And of course Amazon and Starbucks won’t do shit for homeless. You don’t charge $6 for a cup of coffee with ‘humanity’ in mind. You charge $6 for coffee to line pockets
derp de derp de derp

So because a very few, a very very tiny number of people prefer an exhaust heating grate to a safe dry place to sleep in the winter you...well, I can't really complete the sentence because there is no sense to make of your post.
 

Badfishy1

Member
derp de derp de derp

So because a very few, a very very tiny number of people prefer an exhaust heating grate to a safe dry place to sleep in the winter you...well, I can't really complete the sentence because there is no sense to make of your post.
You are simply ignorant. Leave your mothers basement and see the world. It’s a pretty neat place schlomo.
 

Fogdog

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So instead of offering your hand, you would rather fight to take someone else's stuff away for purposes of redistribution.

Nope, dont like that. Never gonna happen. Just like liberals offering up their bleeding hearts to more than words and marches. Never gonna see a tent in their yards, ever.
LOL

Waaaaa,

Fogdog won't play.

You made a dumb suggestion, I countered with another dumb suggestion and now you are floundering. Conservatives made this problem and they will just have to pay to fix it. That's my dumb suggestion.

This is where you repeat your dumb suggestion.
 

Fogdog

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Listen skid you are obviously a closed minded ‘lefty’ fuck who is looking to blame everything on Drumpf. No matter what I bring to conversation you simply don’t care to listen, only place blame on the ‘right’. If you are too fucking ignorant or your reading comprehension is sub 2nd grade level, I simply have no time for you. Go ahead and reply all you’d like, but your ignorance and constant desire to blame all the problems on the right will not get a response from me.
OK, I'm listening.

What did you "bring to the table" when you said some strange remark that made no sense.

The right wing made the homeless problem. First by emptying mental health facilities onto the streets. Then by repeatedly tanking the economy while running up the debt, cutting funding for education, strangling unions and giving tax cuts to the wealthy.

It's no surprise then that your ilk just want to pretend it's "their fault". Nope, it's yours and every other fucker who voted for Republicans.

Seattle is taking on a radical but workable solution. You and your kind have none. So stop whining.
 

Badfishy1

Member
You are both idiots.
Homeless people are victims of their own bad decisions, just like everyone else.

If you truly believe all your problems are caused by other people, you are powerless to change your destiny.
Whoa... I said some people CHOOSE the path of vagrancy. I blamed NOBODY. And if you don’t think mental issues don’t lead to homelessness in some circumstances, choke on a .45
 

Chunky Stool

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Whoa... I said some people CHOOSE the path of vagrancy. I blamed NOBODY. And if you don’t think mental issues don’t lead to homelessness in some circumstances, choke on a .45
Oops, double negative. :dunce::cuss::dunce:

.45 what?
Long Colt?
ACP?

You aren't very good at this... :sleep:
 

Fogdog

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Whoa... I said some people CHOOSE the path of vagrancy. I blamed NOBODY. And if you don’t think mental issues don’t lead to homelessness in some circumstances, choke on a .45
Chunky is inconsistent. He doesn't always say incredibly ignorant things.

I still don't understand why everybody is so upset that Seattle is looking for answers and proposing solutions.
 
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