Square One Genetics

thctimmy

thctimmy

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UpInSmoke420$24 said:
Funny you just mentioned that pistil-less thing. I was noticing the same thing with the Alien Treatz and especially the Frozen Fuel seeing the Banana Buttercups influence. That is why I was actually worrying about herms and pollination in my tent because some of the phenotypes were already putting out orange pistils at week 5 and some pheno's were not throwing out any pistils at all. I think it is just his genetics and some pheno's. Some of the pheno's I am running are throwing out an abundance of large beautiful white pistils, while some pheno's are not producing hardly any. The farther I get into flower though, the more I am leading towards its just his genetics and some pheno's tend to do that with the BBC especially. I don't see any seed formation or further signs of pollination, so I think I am in the clear. Pretty sure I chucked the one nanner producer fast enough and caught it quick enough for no damage. :)
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My grc x bbc had the orange pistils early, but they almost looked burned and receded early on. I ran her through flower but I don't know if she was a mutant, I burned her with nutes, or what but she isn't a keeper and honestly was the worst pheno I have grown of SQ1/RH. Ill continue to hunt but that was disappointing for the hype behind this one. I had another cultivar that threw orange around day 35 (somewhere in this thread) but she was fine, I think that was just genetics.

So, who knows. Could be genetics, could be stress, could be both.

But still none of mine have looked like some of these pics where there are nearly zero pistils. Crazy looking!
 
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UpInSmoke420$24

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thctimmy said:
My grc x bbc had the orange pistils early, but they almost looked burned and receded early on. I ran her through flower but I don't know if she was a mutant, I burned her with nutes, or what but she isn't a keeper and honestly was the worst pheno I have grown of SQ1/RH. Ill continue to hunt but that was disappointing for the hype behind this one. I had another cultivar that threw orange around day 35 (somewhere in this thread) but she was fine, I think that was just genetics.

So, who knows. Could be genetics, could be stress, could be both.

But still none of mine have looked like some of these pics where there are nearly zero pistils. Crazy looking!
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Yeah. I am in day 36 now and I have a lot of orange pistils on some phenos and some of the tops are hardly throwing pistils or coming out orange right from the beginning. Some of the lowers are throwing an abundance of whites so it could be the light intensity. Some of the Alien Treatz stretched a little more than my tent usually handles and are pretty close to the light. Running a Mars Hydro SP 3000 in a 2x4. Thing is pretty damn powerful. I turned it down to like 85 % because the stretch I got on some. I usually run it 100 percent with the canopy at about 19 inches, but my main canopy is about 14 to 15 inches this run. May have something to do with it. My other tent has 1 of each in it and those pheno's are throwing white hairs like I have never seen, so could be a little too much light in the other tent. Don't really think its over nute or anything. Doing living soil with occasional bat guano and worm casting tea in flower. No signs of nutrient burn or anything. Other than that though they are looking fire as all hell. THE FROST IS REAL. Fat juicy calyxes.
 
thctimmy

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Yeah man sounding good! Im running similar with just gaia amendements and worm poop. The lighting comment is interesting, I don't think my mix is causing the issue so I will pay attention. Still figuring out growing, is the abundance of whites on the lowers an indictor the intensity is perfect below canopy, but too intense at the top? See I thought I went too strong on N, caused the burn and also cause some white pistil creation late in flower, and my brisker threw a ton of nanners starting around d48. But like you said that frost tho!!
 
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UpInSmoke420$24

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AHHHH I am sad you sad that about the Brisker. I mean...day 48 is not that bad, seeing its late and won't cause much issue. But I have the Big Leagues waiting to go next run once these are done. Hoping the Brisker doesn't have herming tendencies. I know the high light intensity will cause them to throw out a lot of new growth and white pistils towards the end of flower. Thats where you will see a lot of fox tailing if you light/heat intensity is high. I mean, there is so many different ways the plant can get stressed out which will cause similar reactions that it is hard to near impossible to pinpoint each one to a tee. Still learning a lot about growing too my friend. Always something to learn every day. It is such a complex life form and there are so many variables that go into a living soil and grow that even the most knowledgeable person in the world on growing could still be taught something new every day by somebody else in the world that they did not know. That is why they say just keep as many variables as you can in the right known range and go from there. Remember: If you are searching for perfection, you will never find it.
 
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Honestly though, I have learned that herming is just a part of cannabis. There are things breeders and us as growers can do to keep it as minimal as possible, but at the end of the day if it is in the genes, its in the genes. In my opinion, when you go from seeds, its just the chance you take. As long as there is cannabis on earth, there will be cannabis herms. Some genetics tend to herm more than others. Especially as long as those seeds from the hems are grown, breed with, and then thrown back in the gene pool again. Honestly, as long as you keep a good eye on your plants, usually the damage from herms are minimal. I have been lucky enough to encounter 0 seeds in a few pounds of harvests from only seed, no clones so far so lets keep the fingers crossed. Don't quote me, but I heard scientifically about 1 out of every 100 feminized or just cannabis seeds in general is a true full herm. So if that is true, then I'll take my chances,
 
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Famous914

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UpInSmoke420$24 said:
Yeah. Thats what I was talking about. In titans grows he does not do anything to them. He just lets them go. Honestly, I have always really wondered the effect it has on the plant by taking larger fan leaves away. I always feel like the less I do take away from the plant, the happier it is. I mean, I guess it really comes down to how, when, and how much your taking away. I tried not to defoliate on this run with the Frozen Fuel and Alien Treatz, but the damn fan leaves are so big, especially on the Frozen Fuel. The lower fan leaves look huge. So I ended up taking a few off here and there to get some light into the plant. But yeah, I always feel like my plants are happier without taking anything from. Has anyone experienced herms from Square One? Seems to be pretty solid seeds so far
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I was subscribed to this thread and stopped getting updates. Reading back through some of these messages I thought I'd share my experience last run. I went into the grow with the same thought process and Titans recommendations. I left the plants untouched. Sadly I got a Hermie and it seeded 3/5 plants. I never saw the Hermie until chop. The plants were all very busy and vigorous. Lots of side shoots and larf below the canopy. I couldn't possibly notice the Hermie because it was on 2 small larf branches hidden inside and under the canopy. It probably popped and the fan carried it around. Not every bud seeded but I got probably around 50 seeds each plant. The Hermie was on miracle mango. I'm currently germinating a bunch of those seeds outside as it's unlikely they will Hermie out there. Miracle mango x grc x bbc, grcxbbc x forum gsc, and the last cross was on iced wild berry.

This grow I got 2 BBC s2, 2 kush babies, 2 nana glue, and 2 pistoless grcxbbc from my keeper pheno. Side note the pistoless grcxbbc didn't seed because of it's mutation. This grow I topped 3 times, defoliated throughout, and lollipoped week 3 of flower. I'm scared of larf now as I assume these buds were stressed from the lack of light. I also rationalize that if I do get a Hermie it will be on top of the canopy and I will be able to discard or pluck. If it wasn't the stress from lack of light I can't imagine what happened. My environment was good, no light or leaks during dark cycle, good air cic temp and humidity. May have also just been the genetics on the miracle mango I popped ( bad luck). If was from the first drop of untested seeds.

Most iced strain was the GRCxBBC keeper. I would love to have that tested. Had far different terps than other GRCxBBC phenos I smelled. It was like an old school bubblegum strain I used to get. No fruit. Best terps were on the iced wildberry. That smelled like fruit and licorice. Mango smelled gassy on my pheno.
 
thctimmy

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Sorry to hear that run got hit. I did the same process but while they are curing, I saw no signs of seeds. however, I have a shit ton of small Larry buds. My GRC x BBC I either screwed up or was a runt. My brisker was a possible keeper, but my mango is for sure. Will run her with the same mindset as you, go crazy on whatever training/lollipopping I want. Hoping the clone won't be as susceptible to herm.

Would love to see any pics you have of your keeper. I have a couple unopened packs from the purple box set so plenty to hunt, just not enough room.
 
Billy the Mountain

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Famous914 said:
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This grow I got 2 BBC s2, 2 kush babies, 2 nana glue, and 2 pistoless grcxbbc from my keeper pheno. Side note the pistoless grcxbbc didn't seed because of it's mutation. This grow I topped 3 times, defoliated throughout, and lollipoped week 3 of flower. I'm scared of larf now as I assume these buds were stressed from the lack of light. I also rationalize that if I do get a Hermie it will be on top of the canopy and I will be able to discard or pluck. If it wasn't the stress from lack of light I can't imagine what happened. My environment was good, no light or leaks during dark cycle, good air cic temp and humidity. May have also just been the genetics on the miracle mango I popped ( bad luck). If was from the first drop of untested seeds.
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That's an erroneous assumption
 
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UpInSmoke420$24

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Famous914 said:
I was subscribed to this thread and stopped getting updates. Reading back through some of these messages I thought I'd share my experience last run. I went into the grow with the same thought process and Titans recommendations. I left the plants untouched. Sadly I got a Hermie and it seeded 3/5 plants. I never saw the Hermie until chop. The plants were all very busy and vigorous. Lots of side shoots and larf below the canopy. I couldn't possibly notice the Hermie because it was on 2 small larf branches hidden inside and under the canopy. It probably popped and the fan carried it around. Not every bud seeded but I got probably around 50 seeds each plant. The Hermie was on miracle mango. I'm currently germinating a bunch of those seeds outside as it's unlikely they will Hermie out there. Miracle mango x grc x bbc, grcxbbc x forum gsc, and the last cross was on iced wild berry.

This grow I got 2 BBC s2, 2 kush babies, 2 nana glue, and 2 pistoless grcxbbc from my keeper pheno. Side note the pistoless grcxbbc didn't seed because of it's mutation. This grow I topped 3 times, defoliated throughout, and lollipoped week 3 of flower. I'm scared of larf now as I assume these buds were stressed from the lack of light. I also rationalize that if I do get a Hermie it will be on top of the canopy and I will be able to discard or pluck. If it wasn't the stress from lack of light I can't imagine what happened. My environment was good, no light or leaks during dark cycle, good air cic temp and humidity. May have also just been the genetics on the miracle mango I popped ( bad luck). If was from the first drop of untested seeds.

Most iced strain was the GRCxBBC keeper. I would love to have that tested. Had far different terps than other GRCxBBC phenos I smelled. It was like an old school bubblegum strain I used to get. No fruit. Best terps were on the iced wildberry. That smelled like fruit and licorice. Mango smelled gassy on my pheno.
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Most people say that with Titan's genetics, if they do get herms they are usually on the lower canopy which makes a lot of people believe it is from a lack of light. I defoliated the shit out of all of mine and they seem to be taking it well. I only had to toss 1 plant out of 10 from herms and I caught it very early so hopefully they end up seedless. Like I said before, herming is just part of cannabis. As long as there is cannabis in the world, there will be herming. As I said before, especially when these herms that are herming because of genetics get thrown back into the gene pool and grown and breed with again and again. Even the best breeder in the world will have a handful of people all around asking why there plant hermed from that specific breeder and wondering if it is a problem with that specific breeder.
 
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From my experience so far, with the herming and all the BS aside, all of these plants from Titan I have going right now are by far the most frost, resin, and terpene producing plants I have delt with so far. They are gorgeous. There is just something about that damn Banana Buttercups. On top of that, the man picks some pretty solid genetics to cross all his best stuff with. The man knows his genetics. I mean, just in the 2 strains I have going right now from him (the Frozen Fuel and Alien Treatz) have about 4 of my top 10 strains I have ever tried ( GMO, MAC1, Runtz, Tahoe OG)
 
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thctimmy said:
Sorry to hear that run got hit. I did the same process but while they are curing, I saw no signs of seeds. however, I have a shit ton of small Larry buds. My GRC x BBC I either screwed up or was a runt. My brisker was a possible keeper, but my mango is for sure. Will run her with the same mindset as you, go crazy on whatever training/lollipopping I want. Hoping the clone won't be as susceptible to herm.

Would love to see any pics you have of your keeper. I have a couple unopened packs from the purple box set so plenty to hunt, just not enough room.
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This is my GRCxBBC keeper. This run the kush babies is looking nice. Got nice trichs on day 18 of 12/12. Literally, I saw the first signs of buds 5 days ago and now there coming in nicely. KB is the last pic
 

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Billy the Mountain said:
That's an erroneous assumption
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Yeah I'm not sure how it works. I was asking around because I was stumped why it herm'd and someone told me sometimes lower buds can herm from inadequate light. Whether that's true or not I can't say, but I can say that I missed it, and I would like to prevent myself from missing the next one. The plant that herm'd had like 30 branches, and each one of the branches had like 4+ little shoots trying to grow into the light. It was the plant in the center of my 4x4 and it hid the herm very well.
 
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Famous914 said:
Yeah I'm not sure how it works. I was asking around because I was stumped why it herm'd and someone told me sometimes lower buds can herm from inadequate light. Whether that's true or not I can't say, but I can say that I missed it, and I would like to prevent myself from missing the next one. The plant that herm'd had like 30 branches, and each one of the branches had like 4+ little shoots trying to grow into the light. It was the plant in the center of my 4x4 and it hid the herm very well.
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It's not true
 
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Famous914 said:
This is my GRCxBBC keeper. This run the kush babies is looking nice. Got nice trichs on day 18 of 12/12. Literally, I saw the first signs of buds 5 days ago and now there coming in nicely. KB is the last pic
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Gorgeous, the pistol-less pheno again! Im guessing this is pure aesthetics and doesn't affect terp profile or the thc? The GRC x bbc I posted was leafy as hell so I have to go back to hunt to find the elusive grc x bbc cut. My pain is lack of room and attention span, I can't seem to pop more than 2 of a kind per run. That keeps it fun for sure. Nice work
 
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Did something happen? I hope it’s not the seeds. People saying mutants and now terpy no longer is a vendor?
 
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TigerClock said:
Did something happen? I hope it’s not the seeds. People saying mutants and now terpy no longer is a vendor?
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The mutants are a known thing stemming back to BBC crosses. They are not a bad thing and I've had a lot of people ask me for cuts. As far as terpy goes I didn't hear that. Where did you see that they aren't carrying Square One? I assume it's because their site constantly crashes during drops. I have 60 packs of square one but only like 3 came from Terpy. That website can be frustrating. Also, they started the new vendor Silver Star Seed Bank so maybe with their limited quantities it's going to be just Black Dog and Silver Star
 
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