sprayed for mites now i have the claw :-( , anybody have some tips?

Beachside said:

Also never use products that are systemic insecticide, like avid or floramite! You must be very knowledgeable about the half lives of the Chemichals or you will be growing poison instead of medicine! Azamax is the active ingredient in neem that has been isolated. Perfectly safe, buti t is still a harsh chemical and offers no other benefits to the plant or environment other then killing bugs. Stick with pure cold pressed neem and you will be rewarded!

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Well obviously you seriously lack experience and knowledge. The mites may destroy his entire crop with your crap advice
and many crops to come will likely be fucked as well. Hit them with forbid 4f. Floramite would be ok also. Avid is the shit and parts of Cali may not even produce bud without it . I am sure you don't ever eat any
fruits or vegetables in the US as these all have been treated with insecticides and many within a few days of picking.

Avid also is not considered systemic but is a trans laminar and can be used on vegetables. Floramite is a certainly a non
systemic.

Avid is labeled for use on fruits and vegetables and floramite for non bearing fruit trees and also for greenhouse tomatoes.
Some mites are resistant to floramite. Avid tends to kill everything and a quick spray of just the tops of the leafs with 4f wipes out all mites.



Oberon and Forbid 4F contain the same active ingredient, Spiromesifen. The difference exists because they are sold by two different divisions within the Bayer organization and they are distributed through different retail channels. Each of these 2 divisions applied for labeling of the products, through the EPA, to support different industries. Oberon is a Crop Science product and is labeled for use on certain food crops. Forbid is an Environmental Science product and is labeled for use in industries such as Landscape Management and Pest Control.

I rather not have bud then avid bud or chemical bud ...there are alternatives to kill mites where u don't need a hazmat suit to apply.

What ever you do do not listen to thecoolman! He is a fucking Moran of the Nth degree!

Coolman you have no idea what you are talking about! Please close your mouth until you have an education.

Parts of Cali don't produce without it?!? I have lived my entire life in California. I grew up in the town that created the 215 movement and have been a member of the oldest club in America since its inception. NO ONE WILL BY MEDS THAT WERE GROWN WITH EITHER AVID OR FLORAMITE. and regardless, avid and floramite are NOT LEGAL TO OWN IN CALIFORNIA. And have been that way for more then five years. Do you understand that boy? You cannot buy them or have them shipped to California.

The only chemicals you should be using are nutrient salts! If you can't keep pests under control without using chemicals that have been banned by entire states because of the harmful side effects... Well you really can't call yourself a gardener!

By the way there genius if you had ever read the label on a bottle of avid or floramite you wold know it says in black and fucking white NOT SAFE FOR FOOD CROPS. To be fair the floramite bottle says that you can spray fruit trees that are not going to produce fruit for 12 months. How long do you grow your plants for there moron?

Beachside you ignorant fool you have your head so far up your ass its surprising you can even speak your
ignorant rants Half of Californias fucking crops are sprayed with Agrimek/abamektin the exact same thing as
avid and made by the same company Syngenta. It is approved for a huge list of food crops including
strawberries...fuck there spraying citrus up to one week before harvest in California. To be sure precautions must be taken including long pants a long sleeved shirt and gloves. if your from Cali you know many herb
growers use avid. You sound so typical of the type of radical tree hugging ignorant Californian the rest of us
in the US all laugh at GO eat some fucking organic tofu or something you ignorant little fuck and then go back to your mite filled schwag producing thing your dumb
ass probably has the nerve to call a grow room as your organic treatments don't fucking work on mites.The
reason some of the retail versions of these products were banned in California is because of stupid pot heads
and the Chinese growers spraying down there plants regularly all the way through harvest in large grow ops with know common sense or basic regard for there fellow man.

Do you understand this boy?

Wow I don't even need to respond to that! But why not? Hahahahahahaha

you start off by claiming that avid and floramite are used in Cali... Just a different name right? And California is so concerned with marijuana growers they banned numerous chemicals. Your just a fucking genius arnt you child?

Organic? If you knew how to read you would have seen that I told him to use chemical fertilizer.

Then you go off and make prejudicial statements about the population of California followed by a racist comment about the Chinese! You sure are a peace of work! I feel bad for your parents!

I would love to see you bring your shit grass into northern Cali and watch the professionals laugh you off the west coast!
You see boy we are professional here. If you want to be a member of a top club all your medicine is tested for pesticides and mold.

But please use as much as you feel nessisary! Use more! We call that natural selection!

Hay man I showed your pics to a few different folks and we all agree that they should get better on their own. The flushing is definitely not a bad idea as it really can't hurt. They arnt nearly as bad as the ones a patient had that I was speaking of earlier so I don't think they will loose their leaves. Just a little weird for a bit if your lucky. No worries

Your the asshole that said abamectin (avid) is not used in California when in fact it is used on a daily basis
legally. Your just a complete fucking Idiot snot nosed little kid.

WIKIPEDIA
Chemistry

Abamectin is a mixture of avermectins containing more than 80% avermectin B1a and less than 20% avermectin B1b. These two components, B1a and B1b have very similar biological and toxicological properties. The avermectins are insecticidal and antihelmintic compounds derived from various laboratory broths fermented by the soil bacterium Streptomyces avermitilis. Abamectin is a natural fermentation product of this bacterium.
Activity

Abamectin is an insecticide as well as an acaricide and a nematicide.
Use

Abamectin is used to control insect and mite pests of a range of agronomic, fruit, vegetable and ornamental crops, and it is used by homeowners for control of fire ants. Abamectin is also used as a veterinary antihelmintic. Resistance to abamectin based antihelmintics, although a growing problem, is not as common as to other classes of veterinary antihelmintics. The benzoate salt emamectin benzoate is also used as an insecticide.
Trade names

Trade names include Abba, Abathor, Affirm, Agri-Mek, Avid, Dynamec, Epi-Mek, Genesis Horse Wormer, Reaper, Vertimec, CAM-MEK 1.8% EC (cam for agrochemicals), Zephyr and Cure 1.8 EC.
References

• "Pesticide Information Profile: Abamectin.
  " Pesticide Management Education Program. May 1994. Cornell University Cooperative Extension. 18 Sep 2007.

External links

Mighty wash shit straight up kills mites and eggs use 3 days apart spray the tops and bottoms of the leaves I've tried a lot of diff things for mites never again mighty wash all the way

You should start a new thread instead of fucking this guys thread up.

Actually I gave the facts unlike this asshole

Beachside.."The only chemicals you should be using are nutrient salts! If you can't keep pests under control without using chemicals that have been banned by entire states because of the harmful side effects... Well you really can't call yourself a gardener!"

neem oil fucking sucks for mites!

Beachside said:

Hay man I showed your pics to a few different folks and we all agree that they should get better on their own. The flushing is definitely not a bad idea as it really can't hurt. They arnt nearly as bad as the ones a patient had that I was speaking of earlier so I don't think they will loose their leaves. Just a little weird for a bit if your lucky. No worries

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thanks man, thanks a lot!
so 60% are getting better and they're loosing that light green tint around the preflowers and smaller foliage. now the other 40% are looking weird and/or are getting worse, the claw is now fully rolling up almost like ribbon decorations at a birthday party lol and the larger leaves are turning dark green almost like a n overdose but really shiny looking.....armor all'ed leaves, big pimpin!
alsol the dark green leaves are hanging and looking like a overwater symptom. so imagine a n overdose with overwatering and the smaller leaves having long spiral curls like birthday ribbons and thats what i have! lol, i could post a pic but this is much more fun!

ps: wtf happened to my thread?

All the frayed and rolled leaves are growing out and what looked like an n overdose in the photos was actually leaves that had too much neem on them.
Tonight im gonna spray one more time with end all II then if everything looks good on the weekend maybe friday, im gonna do the switch!

Thanks to everyone for the help!

Edit: ps; Ill post some pics tonight of the damage

the pics dont do the damage justice. plants look a lot worse in person...