Someone explain what you guys are voting on in November?

hockey4848

Well-Known Member
If the "legalization bill" passes. You can have 1 ounce and 6 plants right? What about plants? What about the current medical marijuana system currently set up?

Does it look like it is going to pass?
 

arsin

Member
Read a good article in the Northwest Leaf that I believe mentions it would restrict patients rights.
 

smokekeeper

Active Member
no both of you are wrong. you Are allowed to have up to an ounce if it passes. but a non patiant cannot grow. the bill does not effect mmj. paitants can still growas they have been. the biggest consern is tat you can get a dui for haveing 5 nanograms in your system while driving., vote yes on I-502
 
NO! We are not ready for legalization yet. If we legalize it that gives the state that much more authority of the substance and therefore we will be strangled of all the true benefits of marijuana as we see it starting to be sold with liquor and taxed and exploited. At least in the current settings we can build a better foundation to protect the people as a whole and THEN legalize it when WE get to set the regulations on it not the government. As of right now we're working on a cannabis Farmers Union and not to mention we already have the Cannabis Defense Coalition taking up arms against the city of Kent for placing a moratorium on 'collective gardens'.
 

aptFarmer

Member
NO! We are not ready for legalization yet. If we legalize it that gives the state that much more authority of the substance and therefore we will be strangled of all the true benefits of marijuana as we see it starting to be sold with liquor and taxed and exploited. At least in the current settings we can build a better foundation to protect the people as a whole and THEN legalize it when WE get to set the regulations on it not the government. As of right now we're working on a cannabis Farmers Union and not to mention we already have the Cannabis Defense Coalition taking up arms against the city of Kent for placing a moratorium on 'collective gardens'.
IMO, the "medical" system is already abused, especially in that state. Cant tell you how many parties I've been too and seen more degenerate, young, white trash people exploiting the medicinal system, saying how much they "don't give a fuck" and "how easy it was" to get a med card and grow. I feel it has incredible medicinal properties (duh) and does help people, and thats beside the point, but unfortunately the system IS already abused. So, if it passes, the only thing that will really "change" per se is the price, which isn't exactly set in stone yet, and the fact that you WONT be arrested. A spokesperson for 502 said in response to the very low and seemingly unfair threshold for a 5ng/ml thc limit, that "You've got appear to be, or actually be impaired to get pulled over to begin with. So no stoned driving = no arrest." Sounds simple to me. Also, all you have to do is not be a felon to apply for the $1200 state issued growers license. I agree its not a perfect bill or way to do it, but that sounds better than what we currently have. Again, just my opinion but its a step forward.. :leaf:
 

smokekeeper

Active Member
I still don't understand why a felon cannot grow for the state. expecially when the crime have nothing to do with drugs. I am a felon and have been trying to stay strait. I have been out of trouble for over 4 years now, but I still couldn't be a commerial grower, thats not right. I would like to be involved in the marijuana production, cultivation, or sales. but ohwell for another 6 years
 
5 nanograms.... A continual user, typical medical patients, will constantly have Over 5 nanograms of thc in there system. Studies also show that 5 nanograms is no where near the threshold for the psychoactive effects. So vote no on I-502. Washington state is making so great leaps in the right direction don't get me wrong, but this would just be another way to legalize marijuana, but at the same time, make it illegal
 

colonuggs

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sorry guys... you can not call this legalization... if anyone over 21 can "NOT " grow any marjuana legally themselves!!!


Vote No 502....... Vote Yes on 514


This bill was made to replace the liquor monopoly the state has lost control of....since 1933 the Washington State Liquor Control Board has had a monopoly on all aspects of the liquor industry...distribution, sales, taxes, everything. Now thanks mainly to Costco it will be sold in grocery stores the monoploly is finally over....but now a new product has become available.

It will be the State Liquor control board that will have control if 502 passes...you will be forced to buy at the state run and owned facilites.

Then to top it off...if you smoke say every day for a week or so.... then dont smoke for a week... you will still get a DUI if asked to blood test

Another aspect of the bill I personally dont agrre with is the 21 age limit...18 should be the age...If your old enough to vote and die for your country if drafted....then you should be old enough to puff the ganja legally.
 

SevenHourWorkWeek

Active Member
no both of you are wrong. you Are allowed to have up to an ounce if it passes. but a non patiant cannot grow. the bill does not effect mmj. paitants can still growas they have been. the biggest consern is tat you can get a dui for haveing 5 nanograms in your system while driving., vote yes on I-502
So, you are aware that if 502 passes you will no longer be able to legally drive a vehicle as a cannabis user and you're still okay with that?

He who gives up liberty for safety deserves neither!

502 is NOT a legalization bill. Vote NO on 502. We can do better!
 

TogTokes

Well-Known Member
Voting for this Bill. Regardless of other opinions, and most my University is as well from what we understand Here goes nothing!!
 

TogTokes

Well-Known Member
I think 21 is fair.. I also think most just do not want it legal so prices stay high.. But that is greedy BS!
 

tryingtogrow89

Well-Known Member
I think 21 is fair.. I also think most just do not want it legal so prices stay high.. But that is greedy BS!
Prices would probably rise, wa already has really expensive liquor to begin with, but now that they privatized, the state still gets more money out of the bargain and caused prices to sky rocket.
 

alanboy420

Member
Nonononononononononono
you want to pay over 10% in tax your basically paying for a extra gram and some on top of what you purchase...
Do you want chemically grown weed with no taste or effect
would you rather have a felony for possesing a lil over a ounce or a nice lil misdameanor for 2 ounces of possesion of marijuana just like the law is now.
Im sure you dont want to screw up your criminal history with a felony in your name right dumbass(for the people voting yes)? Well go ahead and vote for yes.
Or do you want to get pulled over get charged with dui maybe even paraphanalia cuz your dumbass forgot to take the roach out the car. And pay over $5000 in lawyer and court fees.
Marijuana is going to be controlled by the government not us the people who believed in it first. This is not legalize this is legal lies.
 

colonuggs

Well-Known Member
Check out... I-514 they are gathering signatures now for Novembers ballet





Wanna get paid $3 per signature while gathering for Washington state's Cannabis Child Protection Act, I-514?

Seriously? Yes, but the details will surprise you.


It's a bit of a twist not seen in volunteer-supported campaigns, but Toke of the Town is about to pass along to Washington State cannabis reform activists something they've been lacking the past few years: the opportunity to collect signatures to legalize (remove penalties for adults, felonies for minors, allow home growing) for cannabis AND adjust I-502's bad effects (if it passes) by requiring video evidence of impairment before anyone's blood can be used in a DUI case, all while making cash money.

Curious? Here is the full story.


You may have heard since Friday that I-1240, the Charter Schools initiative supported by Bill Gates Sr, has been cleared by the court to begin gathering the 251,153 minimum valid signatures to be turned in by July 6 to qualify to this Novembers ballot.

"But Steve, that's only 17 days away!"

Those interested would be paid $3 per valid signature to get I-1240 on the ballot. Professional gatherers from around the nation have already arrived and more are arriving as you read this. The I-514 campaign has already been assisted by many of these professionals who have used the popular draw of cannabis reform to entice voters to also sign the paying petitions. The I-514 campaign has already received thousands of signatures from them in addition to the thousands turned in so far by volunteers around the state, according to the Cannabis Child Protection Act campaign.

What's the catch? While these jobs normally only go to the experienced professionals, I-514 has arranged the opportunity for dedicated cannabis activists to collect signatures on these initiatives to fund their volunteer efforts to qualify I-514.


"We made the case that our people are not untrained like most in the general public," Don Skakie, I-514 representative, told Toke of the Town. "Many have either gathered signatures for past reform efforts or are collecting signatures now. Professionals working around the state believe in the cause and are willing to work with us to accomplish the aims of the initiative."

Those paying will accommodate the efforts of activists to work as they wish. "You can work independently on your own as many already do, or work alongside others," Skakie told me. "Pairing up with the professionals can give quick confidence and experience to those that want to be part of a team.



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Don Skakie, I-514: "We have a fantastic opportunity to help each other, and believe me, these folks want to help us and need our help"
"Show up at the rally point and they will drive you to good locations, then bring you back later," Skakie said. "Those that prefer to work independently are free to do so."


That sounds good for folks who want to do what they can, but may have limitations.

So... How does the money work?


"People will be working for and paid by the professional company," Skakie said. "Given the short time window, it's best to turn in everyday.


"Fifty percent will be paid in cash on the spot with the balance paid in cash within two weeks after the signatures are verified," Skakie told me. "That's $30 cash for each full 20-signature sheet on the spot, with another $30 coming if you do dilligent work. I know people can average about 10-15 signatures an hour, or many more, by working multiple petitions and large public events like concerts, sporting and other events."

And there's more money to be had.


"The pro's are also gathering on I-1183, the 'two thirds needed to increase taxes initiative', as well as I-517, the 'initiative initiative' that would affect how and where petition signatures are gathered," Skakie said. "The I-1183 pays $0.75 each and I-517 pays $0.25 each until you get 400 of both for a $0.25 bonus kicking in for each signature.


"That's a buck to a buck and a half per plus $3.00 for I-1240 for potentially $4.00 to $4.50 for each person that signs," Skakie said. "At 10-15 per hour that's $40 to $72 per hour. That's a good bit of cash to pay some bills and make it possible to get out and collect some signatures for I-514 people might not otherwise have been able to collect."

OK, what's the catch?


"You have to actively collect for I-514!" Skakie said. "These opportunities will not go to anyone that does not collect for I-514 along with the money pages. If you are seen to be slacking on 514, they won't keep you on for the cash."


He said averages will be watched and those that fall far below the averages will be dropped.


"We have a fantastic opportunity to help each other and believe me, these folks want to help us and need our help," Skakie said. "But they're not looking to help us if we're not helping ourselves. This is how they make their living, and in this case, they're sharing with us to help legalize."

So there it is. Cash for signatures so you can collect for I-514.


If you understand the offer, I-514 says to go ahead and contact Seth Wilhelmsen at 415-424-0063 to start working anywhere in Washington state.


If you have any questions about the offer, contact Don Skakie directly at 425-572-0899 first.


"I'm happy to have Bill Gates Sr. funding my activism -- even if it's only for 17 days -- and hope you will have him help fund yours!" Skakie said.

Gatherers will need to provide a black and white copy of their identification and Social Security card as well as complete an IRS W-9 form which will be provided by Wilhelmsen. Form 1099's will be sent out for tax purposes
 
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