some real crazy shit

juleswinnfield

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Why would they do that? It doesn't make sense. I think it's like anything else like this. Hindsight is 20/20 and if you look hard enough you can see clues in most things. I just don't buy it.:blsmoke:
why wouldn't they do it? if I ruled the world and had crazy secret agendas I'd prob do that shit
 

Snow Crash

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Check out how the graph fits in with the BP Horizon oil spill in the gulf.

Suddenly the graph begins to rise just around the time of the spill. Then it levels off right around the time they capped the leak.

Just thought it was weird.

I'll just be waiting and hoping they don't get me. I'm a believer that our Gov't knew at least a little something about 9-11, if they didn't organize it themselves.
 

doc111

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Check out how the graph fits in with the BP Horizon oil spill in the gulf.

Suddenly the graph begins to rise just around the time of the spill. Then it levels off right around the time they capped the leak.

Just thought it was weird.

I'll just be waiting and hoping they don't get me. I'm a believer that our Gov't knew at least a little something about 9-11, if they didn't organize it themselves.
Of course they knew something was gonna happen. They didn't know exactly when or what but they have repeatedly said that there was an spike in intel chatter. I worked in an intelligence gathering unit when I was in the military. Intelligence is not as simple as just listening in on international phone calls or sending spies into other countries to gather information. Much of what is gathered is not reliable. What is deemed reliable must be analyzed by experts. This can take a lot of time and even when all of the available pieces of the puzzle are gathered it can sill be grossly incomplete or plain wrong. Intelligence gathering is an art, not an exact science and the intelligence community gets things wrong as often as they get things right. I believe our government dropped the ball on this one but I don't think they had anything to do with it. With as many countries and groups that hate us in the world, it was only a matter of time before something like this happened anyway. No need for the government to go manufacturing a crisis like this one when all they would have to do is simply wait for one to emerge on its own.;-)
 

Dropastone

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This country is ran by the Illuminati. Are President and Government officials in Washington D.C. are mere puppets carrying out there agenda. If they " the Illuminati or the Bilderberg group" wanted to pass on sensitive information to other members on the down low, the media would be a perfect place to start because the message wouldn't necessarily lead directly back to them. It would be genius on their part if they communicated this way because who would ever think that there are secret messages being passed through the media for everyone to see. It's just like somebody putting a secret message in a classified ad and only the intended recipient would know how to decode the message.

Now with that being said, I don't necessarily believe in what the OP has presented to us today as being the truth but I do find it to be interesting.

Bash away.

Peace.
 

doc111

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This country is ran by the Illuminati. Are President and Government officials in Washington D.C. are mere puppets carrying out there agenda. If they " the Illuminati or the Bilderberg group" wanted to pass on sensitive information to other members on the down low, the media would be a perfect place to start because the message wouldn't necessarily lead directly back to them. It would be genius on their part if they communicated this way because who would ever think that there are secret messages being passed through the media for everyone to see. It's just like somebody putting a secret message in a classified ad and only the intended recipient would know how to decode the message.

Now with that being said, I don't necessarily believe in what the OP has presented to us today as being the truth but I do find it to be interesting.

Bash away.

Peace.
No bashing, but why would they send messages in such a way? If they are all powerful and control most of the government and media, then why put cryptic messages and clues about what they are doing in cartoons or whatever? The whole Illuminatti conspiracy thing has been around for a long time and nobody has ever been able to come up with a single shred of irrefutable proof that there is some uber secret cabal in control of the government. These theories fall apart quickly when simple logic is applied to them. I just don't buy it and believe me, I've read "Behold a Pale Horse" and have researched this stuff extensively. To each their own I suppose.:blsmoke:
 

Snow Crash

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Why?
To communicate with their people indirectly. They may not be able to have a hush-hush meeting and discuss the destruction of lives out loud. So, a few people make the decision and then the information is disseminated through known means... like one of the longest running shows on TV.

I'm not trying to say this is by any means true. Just a reasonable explanation to the question you posed.

Also, you worked in intelligence gathering during the 9-11 attack and you're trying to brag about that??? I'd never, EVER, mention that I was in any way involved with supporting our countries intelligence infrastructure during this time. Definitely something I'd leave off the resume.

The most compelling things I've seen is the lack of plane wreckage at the Pentagon site and the "implosion" of the trade center buildings indicating pre-placed explosives.

I don't want to detract from the Heroism of that day, but I'm a firm believer that if someone could do some shit like this to our country it'd been the Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney dynasty. If some day the news organizations found out the "truth" that it was all a big conspiracy to drum up war support, I'm not going to be surprised.
 

Dropastone

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Why?
To communicate with their people indirectly. They may not be able to have a hush-hush meeting and discuss the destruction of lives out loud. So, a few people make the decision and then the information is disseminated through known means... like one of the longest running shows on TV.

I'm not trying to say this is by any means true. Just a reasonable explanation to the question you posed.

Also, you worked in intelligence gathering during the 9-11 attack and you're trying to brag about that??? I'd never, EVER, mention that I was in any way involved with supporting our countries intelligence infrastructure during this time. Definitely something I'd leave off the resume.

The most compelling things I've seen is the lack of plane wreckage at the Pentagon site and the "implosion" of the trade center buildings indicating pre-placed explosives.

I don't want to detract from the Heroism of that day, but I'm a firm believer that if someone could do some shit like this to our country it'd been the Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney dynasty. If some day the news organizations found out the "truth" that it was all a big conspiracy to drum up war support, I'm not going to be surprised.
You beat me to it. Thanks for that intelligent answer to the question that was sent my way. +Rep for you my friend.
 

doc111

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Why?
To communicate with their people indirectly. They may not be able to have a hush-hush meeting and discuss the destruction of lives out loud. So, a few people make the decision and then the information is disseminated through known means... like one of the longest running shows on TV.

I'm not trying to say this is by any means true. Just a reasonable explanation to the question you posed.

Also, you worked in intelligence gathering during the 9-11 attack and you're trying to brag about that??? I'd never, EVER, mention that I was in any way involved with supporting our countries intelligence infrastructure during this time. Definitely something I'd leave off the resume.

The most compelling things I've seen is the lack of plane wreckage at the Pentagon site and the "implosion" of the trade center buildings indicating pre-placed explosives.

I don't want to detract from the Heroism of that day, but I'm a firm believer that if someone could do some shit like this to our country it'd been the Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney dynasty. If some day the news organizations found out the "truth" that it was all a big conspiracy to drum up war support, I'm not going to be surprised.
Where did I say I worked in intelligence during the 9/11 attacks. I'm sorry if you inferred that from anything that I said but that is not the case. I was involved in military intelligence, more specifically I was attached to 2nd recon battalion, USMC long before the 9/11 attacks. I was however a firefighter/paramedic during the 9/11 attacks and was trained in Urban Search and Rescue and was deployed by my department to ground zero. There were no pre-placed explosives my friend. This is more conspiracy, internet b.s. that people like to regurgitate when the facts are there is zero evidence of any explosives other than the 2 jumbo jets heavily laden with fuel. There was no lack of plane debris at the pentagon, this is more internet conspiracy garbage that is circulated for some reason beyond me. There was plenty of it around. A large portion of the wreckage at both sites was pulverized by the enormous amount of energy released during the crashes and subsequent explosions, which is totally what is expected given the nature of these crashes. Thanks to the internet we live in a world where misleading information gets put out by very convincing and seemingly intelligent individuals to fool the masses and sway opinion in their favor. Most of these bloggers and conspiracy nuts have never even been to ground zero but claim to be "experts" about something which they have utterly no clue. Were there some anomolies and strange things that occurred during the 9/11 attacks? Of course, but that doesn't automatically mean that the govt. had their hands in it. Our intelligence community dropped the ball, plain and simple but as mentioned before all the critics of the intelligence community have utterly no clue how intelligence works. It's not easy and it's not an exact science. They are limited by the information available and much of it is incorrect.:leaf:
 

doc111

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yea bro, a missile clearly hit the pentagon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBh07n-8uM0
An airliner flying at 531 mph is a missile! There were numerous eye witness accounts who all claim to have seen an American Airlines airliner flying 50-75 feet above the ground at extremely high speed just seconds before the explosion and black cloud of smoke was seen. Just more internet conpsiracy garbage.:sad:


http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-pentagon
 

Snow Crash

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An airliner flying at 531 mph is a missile! There were numerous eye witness accounts who all claim to have seen an American Airlines airliner flying 50-75 feet above the ground at extremely high speed just seconds before the explosion and black cloud of smoke was seen. Just more interenet conpsiracy garbage.:sad:

Which totally explains the lack of any wreckage???

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-pentagon
C'mon dude. You've been brainwashed better than most. Suppose that'd be your military background. Who knows what were in your "anti-biotics" given our countries rich history of fucking over its own troops.

Good luck with your choices man. When it's all said and done, it is how we behave, not not what we believe, that defines us.

And Popular Mechanic is not a legitimate scientific periodical. It's a rag written by hacks and failed advertisers.
 

doc111

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C'mon dude. You've been brainwashed better than most. Suppose that'd be your military background. Who knows what were in your "anti-biotics" given our countries rich history of fucking over its own troops.

Good luck with your choices man. When it's all said and done, it is how we behave, not not what we believe, that defines us.

And Popular Mechanic is not a legitimate scientific periodical. It's a rag written by hacks and failed advertisers.
You can discredit my source but the information stands. I find it ironic that people tell me I've been brainwashed when it is they who are regurgitating what they've read or heard from someone else. Did you come up with these theories on your own? Brainwashed! Ha!:clap:
 

Snow Crash

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Also, it's impossible to fly a 737 at that speed that low to the ground. If the plane did basically disintegrate on impact why were 60+ bodies returned to family members? Where is the tail and where are the wings? Where is the damage from the wings?

How about a big one.

Dear Mr. HeadoftheCIA,
I've recently been concerned regarding your hoarding of the video evidence of the Pentagon crash on 9-11. It would seem many people in this country are fearful that the Gov't is in some way responsible for the attacks and that perhaps a plane did not crash into the Pentagon.

Do you share my concern regarding the fear the American public has. How can we trust the intelligence organization designed to protect us if they are keeping what has been witnessed by many people a secret?

I think it would help ease the tension between yourself and the American Public by presenting us with factual, visual, evidence of the crash. I believe if we could see the plane prior to impact that would alleviate a great many concerns people have regarding that horrible day.

Sir, I have to wonder myself: Why has your organization been so secretive with these tapes? The secrecy does not bode well for your side of the story.

Sincerely,
John Q. Public
 

Snow Crash

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LOL...

With what they have on Fox News... And you're out here trying to blame "The Internet." Like the internet is some Fictional Character with it's own agenda. The Net is the conglomeration of free voices. People who are not paid to report their opinion on the news. Real people, thinking for themselves, rather than choking down what the controlled media chooses to provide to us.

I'm sorry, but I'll take the voice of human kind on the Internet over Bill O'Reilly and Dr. Savage on News Corp subsidiaries. That way I can be allowed to form my own opinion.

My opinion... I don't know. I don't have enough evidence for a conclusion. But there is evidence enough to question what the story is because parts don't mesh up.

Again, I really want to point out that the people at Ground Zero are heroes no matter how this turns out. Doc111, I commend you for your spirit and your presence on that day. Despite our obvious ideological distance I think that on other subjects we'd probably get along just fine, and I'm sure you're a decent enough human being. I just don't agree with you. I think we can leave it at that :) (of course I expect a retort, having a discussion is fun after all).
 

doc111

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Also, it's impossible to fly a 737 at that speed that low to the ground. If the plane did basically disintegrate on impact why were 60+ bodies returned to family members? Where is the tail and where are the wings? Where is the damage from the wings?

How about a big one.

Dear Mr. HeadoftheCIA,
I've recently been concerned regarding your hoarding of the video evidence of the Pentagon crash on 9-11. It would seem many people in this country are fearful that the Gov't is in some way responsible for the attacks and that perhaps a plane did not crash into the Pentagon.

Do you share my concern regarding the fear the American public has. How can we trust the intelligence organization designed to protect us if they are keeping what has been witnessed by many people a secret?

I think it would help ease the tension between yourself and the American Public by presenting us with factual, visual, evidence of the crash. I believe if we could see the plane prior to impact that would alleviate a great many concerns people have regarding that horrible day.

Sir, I have to wonder myself: Why has your organization been so secretive with these tapes? The secrecy does not bode well for your side of the story.

Sincerely,
John Q. Public
Who are you trying to convince, me or yourself? Again, are you an airline pilot? How do you know it isn't possible? Something you read or heard perhaps? Secrecy is what our govt. does best. Why is it a surprise?:?
 

doc111

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LOL...

With what they have on Fox News... And you're out here trying to blame "The Internet." Like the internet is some Fictional Character with it's own agenda. The Net is the conglomeration of free voices. People who are not paid to report their opinion on the news. Real people, thinking for themselves, rather than choking down what the controlled media chooses to provide to us.

I'm sorry, but I'll take the voice of human kind on the Internet over Bill O'Reilly and Dr. Savage on News Corp subsidiaries.
............free voices, many of which have an agenda, whatever it may be. Some are simple pranksters, some want desperately to feel important and be heard. I don't watch Fox news so I wouldn't know a thing about that.:roll:
 

doc111

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Ok, well here it is 11/07/2010 and there was no nuclear explosion or false flag attack yesterday. I'd like to see what the conspiracy folks have to say about this.:-P
 
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