Some Questions i Have Help me Please>

Ok so i had a late transplant due to weather issues here and i beileve that my plants are in flowering stage because i see alot of female preflowers were i have topped them at.
Now would you guys recomend using FF tiger bloom open sesame cha ching and beastie blooms im already in fox farm ocean floor and ive been using FF grow big and FF Big Bloom i just dont want to overdose on the nutrients.
Im am growing in a scrog setup ive started tieing down branches so i can try to fill up the screen and can you verify that these are for sure female preflower or am i tripping.
and im not sure about the leaves for im still a rookie at diagnoising illnesses so im going to make a post in the hospital about the leaves.

Thanks in advance happy toking and choking lol

These pictures are from tuesday i tied them down thursday so i will update them asap.
The scrog setup picture is from a while ago like week 7 i have two cfls overr 5k thinking about getting another one its just one plant now the other one was a male

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Female Preflower right??
My Scrog setup dont hate

Slow down there guy...
You mentioned like 5 products that all do the same thing. As a newbie the best practice is to keep it simple!

Right now, your plants don't look all that good. And if I were to make a wild guess...you've probably already toxified your soil with crap that you don't need.
JD

Yeah what John said, slow down man, massive nutrient burn just give water for a week or so.

Another vote for slow down!

Your plants are burnt pretty bad already. Fox farms ocean forest soil has a lot of nutrients in it and will last for perhaps a month. They won't need anything but plain water for a while given their size. The main thing to learn when you are new is to feed them when they LOOK hungry, not when you THINK they are hungry. When you do commence feeding make sure and start with 1/2 the recommended dosage on the bottle and go up from there.

Yes that is a female preflower.

Ok so I have made some progress I slowed down on the nutes and didn't water for 4 days and there lushes green I simply pruned that yellow leaf seeing that there are like 8 more fan leaves and 5-6 new branches and 8-10 preflowers,

I read something about cutting sucked branches off and little branches that are growing but simce im scrog I didn't really get an understanding I dont wanna just Paul Bunyan my plant and be left disappointed..
happy toking

I have kept topping the plant stays low and those little branches are shooting out at 3-4 branches in a week that gets about an inche long then i top and tie down to keep it growing horizontal so i can fill up the screen...

JohnDee said:

Slow down there guy...You mentioned like 5 products that all do the same thing. As a newbie the best practice is to keep it simple!Right now, your plants don't look all that good. And if I were to make a wild guess...you've probably already toxified your soil with crap that you don't need. JD

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I agree he may have already overfed. But those products are meant to be used in conjunction with eachother so i disagree with your 5 products that all do the same thing comment!

Hey Scoob, I remember your other thread and am still curious if your bulbs are equivalent watts or true watts?
Really just trying to help, not pick on you.

I think there is a good possibility that low light intensity could be a contributer here along with calmag.

I don't like the tiny clear cup pot. it just seems a little cruel

I agree with lgc on the pot, give the roots more room and don't use a transparent container. Do you have any green algae looking growth on the roots?

Missed the last pic for some reason showing the light. That is one or maybe 2 (if a Y splitter was used) 20 watt/75 equivalent bulbs. I know this because i used a bigger similar styled reflector and had to hammer it out to fit the one 68 true 300 equivalent bulb in.

Point is, 20-40 watts is not enough light! The plant cannot utilize nutrients if it doesn't have the lumens/energy to convert them for plant growth/health.
Focus on the lighting, the pot/roots, and just giving calmag and water for a bit.

Mr Sunshine wrote: I agree he may have already overfed. But those products are meant to be used in conjunction with each other so i disagree with your 5 products that all do the same thing comment!

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Thanks for pointing that out Mr Sunshine. I don't know Canna nutes at all, and was just being loose with my language to make a point. I still maintain that newbies shouldn't tackle such a complex regimen.
Peace,
JD

LetsGetCritical said:

I don't like the tiny clear cup pot. it just seems a little cruel

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lol if you look at the pictures I have already moved them into a way bigger pot lil that was just temporary but thanks it was a root trick I learned on the farm

Cascadian said:

I agree with lgc on the pot, give the roots more room and don't use a transparent container. Do you have any green algae looking growth on the roots?

Missed the last pic for some reason showing the light. That is one or maybe 2 (if a Y splitter was used) 20 watt/75 equivalent bulbs. I know this because i used a bigger similar styled reflector and had to hammer it out to fit the one 68 true 300 equivalent bulb in.

Point is, 20-40 watts is not enough light! The plant cannot utilize nutrients if it doesn't have the lumens/energy to convert them for plant growth/health.
Focus on the lighting, the pot/roots, and just giving calmag and water for a bit.

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well I think imma have 300 watts they are cfls somebody told me this

cdnbudder said:

If they are 75W then yes you have 300W. Most cfl's are shown in equivalent watts though, which is not what plants are after. Switch to your red spectrum about 2 weeks into flower.

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now why does it matter if they are equivalent or not cause I have been anxious to hear what you have to tell me about the lights before I go and get more lights. The plant is fine now I think it was a toxity issue I never used the cal/mag specifically because its 20$ and the hydro store is like a 45-hr drive but in the meantime imma get some cal/mag before I flower but I am extending my vegetation stage until I feel up ny screen I shouldn't have no probs with vegging longer right?

Equivalent vs true is an important distinction. Basically the only rating that matters is "true" watts (usually about 20-25% of the equivalent rating).
Equivalent is just how bright it would be if it was an incandescent bulb.

If you don't see a label an easy way to tell would be if you could fit your bulb in a normal size pocket it is equivalent watts. A 75 true watt cfl is too large to fit in any pocket other a huge cargo shorts pocket... it is about 4" across and 6" long.

Really all that matters is lumens... on my phone now so hard to research but I think you have about 4000 lumens and should aim for 15000-20000 minimum (more Important in flower). You also want mostly the 2700 (yellow light) bulbs, with some 5-6k spectrum (white/daylight bulbs).

Instead of calmag you could pick up some epsom salt at the grocery store for $2 and dissolve about 1/4-1/2 tsp in some hot water then add it to about a gallon of water and foliar spray the plants. This will give them some magnesium.

IMO you can safely veg for longer, you want the plant as healthy as possible before you flower her.

Cascadian said:

Instead of calmag you could pick up some epsom salt at the grocery store for $2 and dissolve about 1/4-1/2 tsp in some hot water then add it to about a gallon of water and foliar spray the plants. This will give them some magnesium.

IMO you can safely veg for longer, you want the plant as healthy as possible before you flower her.

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lol ok so I think I have about 10000 lumens already the cfls say they are 5000k a piece I have epsion salt already I take baths in it after work outs but yea dude ima up load some pictures of my plants they are so green I think they are alright but about the lights does the wattage not matter or what?

The 5000k you are seeing is the spectrum of light they put out not the lumens. They are a white light if I am right, not the yellow tint.
The watts matter but not all bulbs of a certain watt will have the same lumen output.

I have to sign off till later but if you do several product searches on google for cfl and lumens and true watts ect. You will get a better understanding.
it can be confusing but is important to get right. happy to answer more questions later.

Ok so here they are four days later after yellowing all i did was not twater for 4 days and i just kept tieing them down now i have a question can someone please tell me about trimming "sucker branches and stuff because i want to cut these branches i feel like will never reach the screen but i want to do it right i have asked this question before but nobody answered me so i will ask again because when i search this crap it gives me headache with all of the contradictions and shit so yea tell me about the sucker branches and the branches that grow on the under side of a branch i understand if you get confused for as i dont even know how to explain it.
*reminder* im doing a scrog grow. one of my sucker branches have gotten long and i have been topping it i dont want to cut it now it has many preflowers on it and everything....


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Cascadian said:

The 5000k you are seeing is the spectrum of light they put out not the lumens. They are a white light if I am right, not the yellow tint.
The watts matter but not all bulbs of a certain watt will have the same lumen output.

I have to sign off till later but if you do several product searches on google for cfl and lumens and true watts ect. You will get a better understanding.
it can be confusing but is important to get right. happy to answer more questions later.

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so far you are my buddy but i have another question about theses i have started reading about lights and crap and im confused because im using 2 900 lumen light thats about 1800 but i can only fit 4 lamps in there succesfly so with 4 lamps do they make a cfl that puts out enough lumens to complete the task i mean my plant is growing but i heard about spacey buds with poor lumens and i read that 6000 is the minmal i mean it is only one plant the guy who i learned to make the grow box only had 3 lamps and was getting like 3 z off the same light bulbs i used so i was just wondering

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