Soil Vs. coco coir?

Urhighness88

Urhighness88

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So I'm a newbie so be gentle but. I'm starting my very first outdoor grow I got 5 seeds doing well in ffof and I jus got some clones also in soil. But Im kinda tight on money as of right now and know coco is cheaper and there is more of it. Bit when I transplant to bigger pots or in the ground would coco be a good idea or shoul I jus wait it out an extra week or 2 to get enough soil?
 
applepoop1984

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sunni said:
psh gentle we dont do gentle here
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great post very informative way to not clutter up this already cluttered site with more... clutter. seriously bravo no sarcasm here. anyways coc has many advantages over soil. 1 it is inert and will not contain bugs pests etc. 2 it has a perfect water retention capability. 3 it is cheaper. 4 it can be reused. don't transplant into more coco as it expands very much when water is added. add some coco to your planter first, the plantar you choose to use all grow, then plant a seed / clone in the coco. obviously if youre using a clone it will be in a rockwool cube or peat pod so transplanting that directly into your main plantar will reduce future transplant shock you would have had. also if your planting from seed I would recommend a peat pod, rockwool cube oasis cube etc for your initial planting. there is one disadvantage to coco and that is it is inert meaning you need to add nutrients in your initial waterings so they will be broken down in time for the apical meristem to open. this is only true for organic fertilizers but I cant imagine someone using miracle grow with coco its almost blasphemy
 
applepoop1984

applepoop1984

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also I find its easier to water the plantar filled with coco before planting the rockwoll cube/ peat pod. this way it expands to its fullest and you wont have any surprises
 
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gcourt

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Me and by friends have been using sunshine mix 4 for years. Fox farms is too expensive in my eyes, and with the sunshine 4, there are no nutes so you control them. Growing in a 15 gallon smartpot outside with ffof will kill you $$$ wise, were it costs less than 10 bucks a pot with sunshine 4.
 
Urhighness88

Urhighness88

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applepoop1984 said:
also I find its easier to water the plantar filled with coco before planting the rockwoll cube/ peat pod. this way it expands to its fullest and you wont have any surprises
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What if mixin the 1 1/2 bags of ffof into coco would that be ok? Or should I stick with one or the other and also I have 3 holes I'm planting 3 clones in and I'm planting 3 or 4 more clones plus whatever seedlings are female In pots probably 10-15 gallon what do you think? I'm also not trying to throw away hundreds ok expensive soil either
 
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sourpuss

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Go with the coco if your on a budget, lots of people do coco and r not on a budget, amazing medium. Try not to use miracle grow. Spend a little on the nutes.
 
Urhighness88

Urhighness88

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Oh never was gonna use mg lol I have ffof that I was gone use but at 15$ a bag it's a little pricy but I might try coco
 
applepoop1984

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Urhighness88 said:
What if mixin the 1 1/2 bags of ffof into coco would that be ok? Or should I stick with one or the other and also I have 3 holes I'm planting 3 clones in and I'm planting 3 or 4 more clones plus whatever seedlings are female In pots probably 10-15 gallon what do you think? I'm also not trying to throw away hundreds ok expensive soil either
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get the coco wet first then mix with the fox farm
 
Urhighness88

Urhighness88

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I was gonna shred it in a bin and wet it let it sit for a day then mix it? Is that how your suppose to do it? Lol
 
applepoop1984

applepoop1984

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Urhighness88 said:
I was gonna shred it in a bin and wet it let it sit for a day then mix it? Is that how your suppose to do it? Lol
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place coco brick in tub bucket etc, add water, break up with hands, mix with fox farm. you can mix it with soil no problem a lot of times people will layer it 2 inches of dirt 2 inches of coco etc put mixing it is fine. it acts as a wick it has water retention properties similar to vermiculite.on another note the enter button stopped working
 
Mr.Marijuana420

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gcourt said:
Me and by friends have been using sunshine mix 4 for years. Fox farms is too expensive in my eyes, and with the sunshine 4, there are no nutes so you control them. Growing in a 15 gallon smartpot outside with ffof will kill you $$$ wise, were it costs less than 10 bucks a pot with sunshine 4.
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figuge you need ATLEAST a bag for each 15 gal, thats 20-25 bucks of soil each. Outrageously priced
 
applepoop1984

applepoop1984

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Mr.Marijuana420 said:
figuge you need ATLEAST a bag for each 15 gal, thats 20-25 bucks of soil each. Outrageously priced
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I never understood buying soil for outdoor grows. I wanted to help this guy since he already has his heart set on growing with ocean forest and coco but there really is no need unless theres nothing but clay for miles. even soil with tons of rocks in it is good for outdoors .
 
Nizza

Nizza

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I usually wash and buffer the coco. It may be a good idea to do a 50-50 mix of soil to coir then add 1/4 part perlite to your mix. If I didn't have nutes I would top dress with ffof every 1-2 weeks and water in the nutes
 
Sunbiz1

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applepoop1984 said:
great post very informative way to not clutter up this already cluttered site with more... clutter. seriously bravo no sarcasm here. anyways coc has many advantages over soil. 1 it is inert and will not contain bugs pests etc. 2 it has a perfect water retention capability. 3 it is cheaper. 4 it can be reused. don't transplant into more coco as it expands very much when water is added. add some coco to your planter first, the plantar you choose to use all grow, then plant a seed / clone in the coco. obviously if youre using a clone it will be in a rockwool cube or peat pod so transplanting that directly into your main plantar will reduce future transplant shock you would have had. also if your planting from seed I would recommend a peat pod, rockwool cube oasis cube etc for your initial planting. there is one disadvantage to coco and that is it is inert meaning you need to add nutrients in your initial waterings so they will be broken down in time for the apical meristem to open. this is only true for organic fertilizers but I cant imagine someone using miracle grow with coco its almost blasphemy
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I'll wager this how del got those huge monsters on the 12/12 from seed thread,

TY for the tips.:weed:
 
Urhighness88

Urhighness88

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So you guys are saying jus to use the soil I already have? It is kinda clayie but idk if its so bad that I can't use it I have jus Hurd that's the best way to do it around here cuz the ground so I jus figured Im gonna have to use soil.
 
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715218mnwi

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applepoop1984 said:
place coco brick in tub bucket etc, add water, break up with hands, mix with fox farm. you can mix it with soil no problem a lot of times people will layer it 2 inches of dirt 2 inches of coco etc put mixing it is fine. it acts as a wick it has water retention properties similar to vermiculite.on another note the enter button stopped working
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I know what your talking about I thought maybe it was just my computer though ha (maybe its to keep people from double spacing and making posts longer then they need to be?)
 
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