SOG with C02, 2x1000w Hydro Grow, Pre-98 Bubba and OG Kush

Mcgician

Mcgician

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Personally, I think your setup is pretty damn good. I really like your PVC net-grid thing. I heard somebody recommend that sort of thing here locally. We might be neighbors- lol. I will say this though. There is absolutely no reason to flood those trays 3 times a day in those huge rockwool blocks. You could have easily used Hugo blocks also instead. Those 8" blocks are much better for things like mother plants, not sea of green. Also, because of how warm your room is, and how often you're watering, that could easily be a huge reason why you're seeing the kind of stretch you're experiencing from the OG. Plants have to find a way to rid themselves of the water, and too often it includes vertical stem growth. Your nute levels are fine at this stage IMO, but I think if you back off on the watering you won't find your leaves curling down and the plant suffocating the way it seems to be. High nute levels like you've got are ok in this stage, especially given your raised temps, but that amount of watering is too much for those plants, and you'll continue to see that type of thing so long as you keep doing it that way. Using Co2 can be tricky, and unfortunately, battling high humidity in a sealed environment is one of the biggest challenges without a dehumidifier. Best of luck, and happy growing.

edit: btw, why in the world is your nutrient solution going up during flowering? Did you pre-treat your cubes at 5.5 for 24 hours before putting your starts in them? If not, that could be a big reason why your'e seeing the pH rise you are. In normal situations while they're flowering you should be seeing a gradual pH reduction, but since you're using Bud Candy (has pH stabilizing properties) you should be seeing not much drift at all. Just my 2 cents.
 
Sealion

Sealion

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Mcgician said:
Personally, I think your setup is pretty damn good. I really like your PVC net-grid thing. I heard somebody recommend that sort of thing here locally. We might be neighbors- lol. I will say this though. There is absolutely no reason to flood those trays 3 times a day in those huge rockwool blocks. You could have easily used Hugo blocks also instead. Those 8" blocks are much better for things like mother plants, not sea of green. Also, because of how warm your room is, and how often you're watering, that could easily be a huge reason why you're seeing the kind of stretch you're experiencing from the OG. Plants have to find a way to rid themselves of the water, and too often it includes vertical stem growth. Your nute levels are fine at this stage IMO, but I think if you back off on the watering you won't find your leaves curling down and the plant suffocating the way it seems to be. High nute levels like you've got are ok in this stage, especially given your raised temps, but that amount of watering is too much for those plants, and you'll continue to see that type of thing so long as you keep doing it that way. Using Co2 can be tricky, and unfortunately, battling high humidity in a sealed environment is one of the biggest challenges without a dehumidifier. Best of luck, and happy growing.

edit: btw, why in the world is your nutrient solution going up during flowering? Did you pre-treat your cubes at 5.5 for 24 hours before putting your starts in them? If not, that could be a big reason why your'e seeing the pH rise you are. In normal situations while they're flowering you should be seeing a gradual pH reduction, but since you're using Bud Candy (has pH stabilizing properties) you should be seeing not much drift at all. Just my 2 cents.
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Thanks for the input, much appreciated. Yeah the PVC is a cheap and good idea for sure. I definately agree with the 8" blocks being way to big and will have to try watering less like you've suggested to see how they react. I did pH my cubes before use, damn I thought pH rise was normal. Well I'll have to look into trying to fix that.

As far a humidity, that's not my problem at all. I have a dehumidifier, and maintain 50% rh. My problem is that I need an air conditioner or even better those slick water cooled ice boxes. All in good time, I'm just working my way up to the perfect setup. I'll most likely go completely coco and will definately have those temps under control by next round.
 
Mcgician

Mcgician

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Sealion said:
Thanks for the input, much appreciated. Yeah the PVC is a cheap and good idea for sure. I definately agree with the 8" blocks being way to big and will have to try watering less like you've suggested to see how they react. I did pH my cubes before use, damn I thought pH rise was normal. Well I'll have to look into trying to fix that.

As far a humidity, that's not my problem at all. I have a dehumidifier, and maintain 50% rh. My problem is that I need an air conditioner or even better those slick water cooled ice boxes. All in good time, I'm just working my way up to the perfect setup. I'll most likely go completely coco and will definately have those temps under control by next round.
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No problem, always here to help. As for treating rockwool blocks, make sure that if you're using a filtration system that only takes out the chlorine/chloramines (like the Tall Boy from Hydrologic), you will see an overnight rise in pH of sometimes an entire point. Most of the time (at least where I'm at, it's more like .6-.8 rise). I've asked why that happens at ALL the hydro stores around here, and NO ONE has answered that question to my satisfaction. IMO, you'd have to be chemist who knows a lot about what goes into the local water supply, and being that that differs so much depending on location, finding one all-inclusive answer is extremely elusive. Just to be sure, what I do is fill my container I plant to pretreat the rockwool in a full day ahead, aerate it, then, the day that I plan to put in the rockwool cubes I set the pH to 5.5 and throw in the cubes with a mild solution of nutes (around 500ppm). Seems to have worked for me for years, and something I've no problem recommending to others.
 
mr.smileyface

mr.smileyface

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Sealion said:
At 6.5 weeks, the girls are plumping right up. Time to go pick up some more bamoo sticks bongsmilie. Not much else to say except that things are moving right along. I've attached some pics below. :eyesmoke:
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Fuck those things almost hit the celing on you lol. Try some bushmaster or topload. I use topload at the end of week three and it stops them from getting taller. It makes them grow outwords. Be aware of how much your giving them tho its very strong.
 
Sealion

Sealion

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Mcgician said:
No problem, always here to help. As for treating rockwool blocks, make sure that if you're using a filtration system that only takes out the chlorine/chloramines (like the Tall Boy from Hydrologic), you will see an overnight rise in pH of sometimes an entire point. Most of the time (at least where I'm at, it's more like .6-.8 rise). I've asked why that happens at ALL the hydro stores around here, and NO ONE has answered that question to my satisfaction. IMO, you'd have to be chemist who knows a lot about what goes into the local water supply, and being that that differs so much depending on location, finding one all-inclusive answer is extremely elusive. Just to be sure, what I do is fill my container I plant to pretreat the rockwool in a full day ahead, aerate it, then, the day that I plan to put in the rockwool cubes I set the pH to 5.5 and throw in the cubes with a mild solution of nutes (around 500ppm). Seems to have worked for me for years, and something I've no problem recommending to others.
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I'm using the Hydrofarm Stealth100, gives me a ppm read of 25 at this point. Makes great drinking water as well. I did soak my cubes in 5.5 water and then let them dry out so I dough that's my problem. If I end up using rockwool again I will definately be soaking it with a nice root formulated solution. Like I said though, I'm really pulling towards coco after seeing so many people with great results.
 
Sealion

Sealion

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mr.smileyface said:
Fuck those things almost hit the celing on you lol. Try some bushmaster or topload. I use topload at the end of week three and it stops them from getting taller. It makes them grow outwords. Be aware of how much your giving them tho its very strong.
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Hmm sounds like some cool stuff. Next round I'm only going to veg for a week of two tops, depending on stain. Probably going to do single cola with a larger plant count. I think there stretch was pretty normal actually, they are a sativa dominant kush. I removed many lower branches, we're talking fat ass stacks of branches a few times during the first few weeks of flowering. Unfortanately the reason I didn't flower sooner was because I really wanted the bubba to get bigger. The bubba are 100% indica I believe, didn't trim them at all. Nice stocky plants, covered in frost.
 
DubsFan

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I have 15 Master and 15 Larry OG's going. My cloner warned me about the massive stretch. With my low ceilings I will have to do SCROG. Instead of filling up the screen I'm going to do about a 70% fill before I flip them. We shall see.

As far as RW soaking. Just mix up your nutes, ph and soak. Then they're ready. I had a Pre 98 Bubba mom. She grew really slow. So I guess you're right on track with what I see.

I/m surprised you don't have more bleaching.
 
Sealion

Sealion

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DubsFan said:
I have 15 Master and 15 Larry OG's going. My cloner warned me about the massive stretch. With my low ceilings I will have to do SCROG. Instead of filling up the screen I'm going to do about a 70% fill before I flip them. We shall see.

As far as RW soaking. Just mix up your nutes, ph and soak. Then they're ready. I had a Pre 98 Bubba mom. She grew really slow. So I guess you're right on track with what I see.

I/m surprised you don't have more bleaching.
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You'll should definately expect those OG to triple in size. I'd imagine those Master to be more on the short side like my bubba(seeing as how bubba is masterxbubblegum). I'll be keeping an eye out for your journal sounds like some killer strains :eyesmoke:

I understand how to pretreat rockwool now, I just didn't soak in a nute solution this time. Results are still fine.

I definately have a decent amount of bleaching on many of the inner fans leaves of the OG. The buds seem unaffected, just fatter and juicier than the rest :hump:. Must be the incresed photosynthesis.
 
Mcgician

Mcgician

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Sealion said:
If I end up using rockwool again I will definately be soaking it with a nice root formulated solution. Like I said though, I'm really pulling towards coco after seeing so many people with great results.
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I've thought about trying coco too, but the major pain in the ass it is, is a major deterrent. Maybe it's not as bad as soil, but still, you're gonna have to use bigger pots to accomodate the roots than rockwool and account for the lack of vertical height you'll have because of those pots. Maybe if I decided to hand water everything drain to waste style I'd go that way, but I'm adamant about the watering/feeding schedule being automated. I need some semblance of freedom.
 
DubsFan

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My Master is supposed to stretch too. We'll find out soon enough. I'll shoot you a link to the thread once it gets rolling. I'm waiting on my coco mat. I'm doing the 4" cubes to the mat. It keeps things low...

Yeah, RW prep is pretty much just soaking it for a bit in properly Ph'd water. Nutes or nutes.

I will have my scrog screen then some netting in a trellis up higher like yours to hold them up. My last grow in my avi got out of control the last few weeks. Everything was falling over. Lesson learned.
 
mr.smileyface

mr.smileyface

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Sealion said:
Hmm sounds like some cool stuff. Next round I'm only going to veg for a week of two tops, depending on stain. Probably going to do single cola with a larger plant count. I think there stretch was pretty normal actually, they are a sativa dominant kush. I removed many lower branches, we're talking fat ass stacks of branches a few times during the first few weeks of flowering. Unfortanately the reason I didn't flower sooner was because I really wanted the bubba to get bigger. The bubba are 100% indica I believe, didn't trim them at all. Nice stocky plants, covered in frost.
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Yea i havent done og yet.Ive done bubba and My new fav is pk. Pk is good for sog and it yeilds more than bubba. You should look into afgahn kush. its chronic and it good for one big bud.
I lolli and give topload. They grow taller when you lolli and kind of stretch. Topload stops that and makes them grow outwords.
 
Sealion

Sealion

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Mcgician said:
I've thought about trying coco too, but the major pain in the ass it is, is a major deterrent. Maybe it's not as bad as soil, but still, you're gonna have to use bigger pots to accomodate the roots than rockwool and account for the lack of vertical height you'll have because of those pots. Maybe if I decided to hand water everything drain to waste style I'd go that way, but I'm adamant about the watering/feeding schedule being automated. I need some semblance of freedom.
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I hear ya, that's definately something to keep in mind.
 
Sealion

Sealion

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DubsFan said:
My Master is supposed to stretch too. We'll find out soon enough. I'll shoot you a link to the thread once it gets rolling. I'm waiting on my coco mat. I'm doing the 4" cubes to the mat. It keeps things low...

Yeah, RW prep is pretty much just soaking it for a bit in properly Ph'd water. Nutes or nutes.

I will have my scrog screen then some netting in a trellis up higher like yours to hold them up. My last grow in my avi got out of control the last few weeks. Everything was falling over. Lesson learned.
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Nice, the 4" should work perfectly. I was considering doing the same thing awhile ago, possibly fill the trays with clones and go single cola. Get an excellent yield for sure. My bubba have recently been tipping over, had to hold them up with some bamboo sticks.
 
Sealion

Sealion

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mr.smileyface said:
Yea i havent done og yet.Ive done bubba and My new fav is pk. Pk is good for sog and it yeilds more than bubba. You should look into afgahn kush. its chronic and it good for one big bud.
I lolli and give topload. They grow taller when you lolli and kind of stretch. Topload stops that and makes them grow outwords.
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The PK is definately a heavy yielder. Grows bud all the way up the stock. Bubba is better quality though bongsmilie
 
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drobot013

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Hey guys thank you. im a total noob and i get an idea of how things work but there still a few things im trying to catch up on, like the terminology. Im hoping on finding out the meanings after some good research. good luck. im excited to see how it all turns out for you.:bigjoint:
 
Sealion

Sealion

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mr.smileyface said:
that is true. does your bubbas have a hint of lemon to them?
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It doesn't funny you say that though. I just watched a greenhouse seeds video and they were saying there new seed release of the bubba was bubblegumxOG kush. I was under the impression bubba kush was bubblegumxmaster kush. I guess some cuts have that lemon smell.. Mine smell sweet, like straight candy :eyesmoke:
 
Sealion

Sealion

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drobot013 said:
Hey guys thank you. im a total noob and i get an idea of how things work but there still a few things im trying to catch up on, like the terminology. Im hoping on finding out the meanings after some good research. good luck. im excited to see how it all turns out for you.:bigjoint:
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Thanks, feel free to ask any questions you may have.
 
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