SoG Grow Room Discussion

GypsyBush

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Oh and let me just say that I am really glad to have an ebb flow set up in working order...

Surgery has kept me out of the op for the last 5 days...

I go in there today.. and see... a beautiful garden full of healthy plants... a non slimy res with very acceptable parameters and just a couple of newer clones that didn't quite reach down fast enough....

Very acceptable in my book...

Best of Luck man... :leaf:
 

Picasso345

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Yak, I didn't see if you answered Westmich or not, I apologize if I missed it, but I'm very curious too. These threads like SOG's, Stinkbuds, and Al's are a real treat. Jewels in a vast wasteland. Thanks.

Anyways, he asked:

I am curious to what the performance difference is between ebb and flow and aero/NFT. If you had the same number of plants in the same number of stations for the same length of time, how much more bud are you going to get with areo/NFT?
 

YaK

just some guy
Yak... you rock bro :clap:
points well taken, with those gems fell free to garble up my thread ;)
Generator? man... to say that I'm in awe of your grow is an understatement. I think that you are going to be so happy with your well thought out plans... much respect.

as anyone who looks at my past threads will find out, I am NO pro! but I'm no dummy either, I've learned much from my mistakes, and have had good experiences as well as horrible ones.

If I had it to do over again, I would do it exactly the same way SOG is doing it, with a well thought out plan.

before I go into strains that I have experience with growing, I want to mention the way that you cut a hole in the side of your res for the fence posts.

I did the same thing, and mine eventually leaked. The water will travel up past the end and drip upsidedown , down the back... sounds ridiculous lol, but it happened to me. Plus, if you have them running into the side of the res, you will lose volume. I think the rule of thumb is at lease one gallon per plant. PH and everything else is easier to keep in check if you have more gallons per plant, but that wont be an issue for you if you use the intellidose thing. which is fuckin COOL. I so want that toy.

thanks for taking my "blah blah blah" with a grain of salt... I anxiously await your success.
 

YaK

just some guy
Hi Picasso... I PMd my answer to Westmich because I didnt feel like it was appropriate to answer in SOGs thread. I will C&P it to you (not that it's all prophetic or anything...)

SOG, since you're in my area, you are probably privvy to the same strains as I am, so I'll give you a very brief rundown on the different strains that I've tried.

For starters.. I need to say that I dont smoke pot, and never have. Sounds stupid, but I grow it for my Mom and my beautiful girlfriend, both of which have a medical marijuana card. i am their caretaker. i work in an industry that drug tests often, plus... I dont like smoking. I've been really really tempted though with the 500 dollar vaporizer that my mom got though. :)

That said, the opinions on the strains are that of my mom and gf.

1) Mandala Satori: I grew this from seeds and I truely think that I never sucessfully grew this plant to it's full potential. that said, everyone who tried it said that it was decent. eeesh, I shouldnt have included this in my list because I dont think I ever let this mature to it's full potential under a true "grow" but here is what I know of it. The strains clones SUPER easy, and is a relatively short plant (the phenotype that my seeds produced anyway) I can honestly say that I've never had a plant that cloned as quick and easy as this strain. It seemed very hearty too. I doubt you'll find a clone of this at your local dispensary though.

2) SuperStar: a cross between sensi star and something else that I cant remember. I ended up with a sativa phenotype that grew wicked tall, most of my friends liked it, and I considered it my first true "success" in growing. I think it took about 10 weeks to mature, and the clones took much longer to root than the satori strain. (sorry I dont have the exact number of days, I just have the difficulty level)

3)Diablo: since you're in my area, you may be able to get ahold of this, I got this clone somewhere in ventura. It clones pretty easy, and the ladies rave about how delightful and happy the high is. This plant is awesome to grow, the buds are super dense, and the leaves are THICK. it's a gorgeous dark green plant, and I cant help but squeeze the buds...they are so dense. Very awesome strain that will be a part of my grows from here on out.

4) Banana Kush: Oh man.. I didnt initially like this strain, because for me, it didnt clone very fast, it grows fast and tall, with purple stems, and I'll be god damned if it doesnt faintly smell like banana... so weird!
Anyhow, the ladies have rated this as their favorite for "an energetic, happy, and creative high" this strain finishes quickly too, right at 8 weeks with plenty of amber trichs. I was going to stop growing it because of how tall it gets, and the yeilds arent that great, but they f'n love the high, so it's gonna be another that I grow for them very often.

5) Strawberry cough: clones relatively easy, roots pop in a reasonable amount of time. I havent grown this plant to fruition yet. in the first two weeks of flower though, this strain (as well as ICE) took off and looked to have huge fat colas, the stems were thick and gorgeous.

Well, with the SC and the ICE, I had spider mite issues, my GF freaked out and plucked all of the fan leaves. lol.... she's so cute, but she messed up that bin. That said, I dont know of this strain other than it clones pretty decently, and most dispensaries will cary the clones.

6) Blackberry: pain in the ASS to clone, even when the clones have 6 inch roots, the growing tips dont seem to do anything? how weird is that? but ... I just leave the plant in veg for quite a while, and I end up with a plant worth flowering. This plant has trichs/frosting all over the place... it's a beautiful plant, and smells really fruity and nice. The high (as the girls attest) is very heavy, couch locky and good for pain.

I'm going to grow one more plant, then stop cloning it... too much of a pain in the A.

7) MasterKush: clones easy, everyone likes it and says how good it tastes. i didnt get this clone from a dispensary, I got it from a craigslist ad... which makes me question it. The buds dont grow dense, they grow pretty fluffy, which makes me question the genetics. I'm going to ditch the strain I have and get a good MK from a dispensary.

I'm also trying Purple Erkle (kind of a pain to clone, and delicate) and OG Kush (moderate on cloning, and awesome plant structure) I have a 517 Kush strain that looks great in flower, but looked like it struggled HARD while in veg.

If anything sounds interesting SOG, let me know, and I can go into more detail. (lol... I tend to ramble.. sorry man)


Yak, I didn't see if you answered Westmich or not, I apologize if I missed it, but I'm very curious too. These threads like SOG's, Stinkbuds, and Al's are a real treat. Jewels in a vast wasteland. Thanks.

Anyways, he asked:

I am curious to what the performance difference is between ebb and flow and aero/NFT. If you had the same number of plants in the same number of stations for the same length of time, how much more bud are you going to get with areo/NFT?
 

SOG

Well-Known Member
before I go into strains that I have experience with growing, I want to mention the way that you cut a hole in the side of your res for the fence posts.

I did the same thing, and mine eventually leaked. The water will travel up past the end and drip upsidedown , down the back... sounds ridiculous lol, but it happened to me. Plus, if you have them running into the side of the res, you will lose volume. I think the rule of thumb is at lease one gallon per plant. PH and everything else is easier to keep in check if you have more gallons per plant, but that wont be an issue for you if you use the intellidose thing. which is fuckin COOL. I so want that toy.
i have made a few mods to the setup
toke few pics, before toke off to NY last Thursday
left the card at home in CA, was going to post the pics

i ended up stretching the angle at the end of the fence tube to about 30 degrees by a foot long
then slide the fence tube all the way so its flush to the other end of the roughneck
this causes the waterfall to brake on the back wall and glide quietly back down the res

didn't get a chance to complete test this thoroughly yet
as I'm still contemplating the internal sprayers design

Thanks again for your inspiring comments

Hi Picasso... I PMd my answer to Westmich because I didnt feel like it was appropriate to answer in SOGs thread. I will C&P it to you (not that it's all prophetic or anything...)
love your classes bro, please do ;)
 

YaK

just some guy
i have made a few mods to the setup
toke few pics, before toke off to NY last Thursday
left the card at home in CA, was going to post the pics

i ended up stretching the angle at the end of the fence tube to about 30 degrees by a foot long
then slide the fence tube all the way so its flush to the other end of the roughneck
this causes the waterfall to brake on the back wall and glide quietly back down the res

didn't get a chance to complete test this thoroughly yet
as I'm still contemplating the internal sprayers design

Thanks again for your inspiring comments
That sounds like it'd be good to stop any water from traveling back up the end of the pipe and leaking outside of the reservoir. I look forward to seeing pictures of your new design

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Originally Posted by Picasso345
Yak, I didn't see if you answered Westmich or not, I apologize if I missed it, but I'm very curious too. These threads like SOG's, Stinkbuds, and Al's are a real treat. Jewels in a vast wasteland. Thanks.

Anyways, he asked:

I am curious to what the performance difference is between ebb and flow and aero/NFT. If you had the same number of plants in the same number of stations for the same length of time, how much more bud are you going to get with areo/NFT?



I have not done a side by side comparison. It basically comes down to how big the plants will be. Bigger plants, have more bud. I dont notice any difference in bud size between the two systems. Both styles of growing will grow the plants FAST, aero of course grows them faster. Most of us end up trying to keep the plants within a certain size anyway, so trying to pick the fastest growing becomes more of a novelty IMHO.

Its really all about the cycles, 9 week flower period, 3 systems at 3 weeks, 3 week veg, 3 week clone. I've been trying this thanks to reading StinkBuds thread (since day one) and I'm always stressed because the veg plants are getting too big, and I need to get them into flower to keep them from hitting the ceiling (after the flowering growth spurt).

Aero kicks ass, the only advantages that I've found with flood/drain over aero so far are:
Water temps... the roots arent hanging or being bathed in warm water, I have chillers up in my rafters from when I ran aero, I dont miss using them at all.
Mobility... the plants are not locked in one place, I can shuffle them as I please to get more light to a plant, and roots never tangle, that is a non issue with flood and drain (if you use plastic pots).

Pump issues, already discussed, flood 2x per day, vs. 5 on, 15 off. Oh, and when I ran my aero/nft units, I ran the pumps 24/7, I didnt have a cycle timer, but if I did it again, I would for sure use one.

Simplicity.
 

sparat1k

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Water temps... the roots arent hanging or being bathed in warm water, I have chillers up in my rafters from when I ran aero, I dont miss using them at all.
What's the correct temperature for aero water?

SB doesn't use a chiller but Earl does. I hope to avoid using one.
 

LionsRoor

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Water temps should be between 60 and 75... The small EcoPlus pump does not affect the ambient water temp of the res. Earl uses a larger pump that does warm the res... Now if you run your room at 85 like Stink - which is right at max (even with CO2) - water temps may be an issue as 85 is considered very warm and inviting to all sorts of problems.
 

SOG

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What's the correct temperature for aero water?

SB doesn't use a chiller but Earl does. I hope to avoid using one.
Earl is on the west coast, wheres StinkBud is on the east coast
CA gets very hot during the summer (100-110 easy)

talk about growing big or growing home!
i guess ill be going home then ;)
don't want to end up adding and patching things as i go
I'm a MMJ patient, ROI will sweeten the deal later

subscribed!
welcome!
 

Bublonichronic

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i am a MM patient out here in Nevada myself, out here we are like 10 years behind you guys on the coast it seems, no shops or care givers...makes me wanna move out to cali
 

GypsyBush

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Just so you guys don't think I am completely full of shit.... I figured i'd hijack your thread for a second and share the next lollipops in line for the chop chop...

I'll start with the next generation...

I am hoping to get this many in every 2 weeks...










and the ones that are almost done...

We'll go clockwise from the BOTTOM LEFT...

Cheers... :joint::peace:

























 

SOG

Well-Known Member
your full of it GypsyBush... where is the aero system?
just kidding ;), nice work bro,
looking good, wondering what strain those are
they seem very short to start flowering at 10"
 

YaK

just some guy
I've been trying to wrap my head around the stage '2' intellidose system. Are you dead set on a 2 week rotation? how about 4 systems @ 3 weeks a piece, that would cut costs down considerably and maybe make it more simple to maintain.

The only thing would be longer posts containing more plants, if SB can do 14 plants, you can probably do 16 without upgrading the pumps, it'd just be an extra two ez-clone sprayers per pipe. The res size may even still be sufficient, but you may want to make sure what volume of water you can put into the res with the holes for the posts cut in the side. The 1 gallon per plant rule of thumb should help. The more water per plant, the easier it is to stabilize the PH, but with an intellidoser.. who cares, that's one less worry.

Have you checked to see if one intellidose system can control more than one res? I think I read that one system can control 8 tanks.

Oh yeah, and I was also wondering if you took into account pump failure, you could put two pumps per res, both on the same supply line, on alternating schedules. so, instead of 5 on, 15 off, you'd have each pump do 5 on, 30 off, but start them 15 minutes apart. then if one pump fails, your plants will still get watered on a 5 on / 30 off schedule, which will keep them alive till the bad pump can be switched out.

Food for thought.

Any updates??:peace:
 

SOG

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I've been trying to wrap my head around the stage '2' intellidose system. Are you dead set on a 2 week rotation? how about 4 systems @ 3 weeks a piece, that would cut costs down considerably.

The only thing would be longer posts containing more plants, if SB can do 14 plants, you can probably do 16 without upgrading the pumps, it'd just be an extra two ez-clone sprayers per pipe. The res size may even still be sufficient, but you may want to make sure what volume of water you can put into the res with the holes for the posts cut in the side. The 1 gallon per plant rule of thumb should help. The more water per plant, the easier it is to stabilize the PH, but with an intellidoser.. who cares, that's one less worry.

Have you checked to see if one intellidose system can control more than one res? I think I read that one system can control 8 tanks.

Oh yeah, and I was also wondering if you took into account pump failure, you could put two pumps per res, both on the same supply line, on alternating schedules. so, instead of 5 on, 15 off, you'd have each pump do 5 on, 30 off, but start them 15 minutes apart. then if one pump fails, your plants will still get watered on a 5 on / 30 off schedule, which will keep them alive till the bad pump can be switched out.

Food for thought.

Any updates??:peace:
Food for thought.
someone been doing his home work... nice work brother Yak
not deadlocked on the final IntelliDose design yet,
i am deadlocked though about integrating the IntelliDose(parts have been orders waiting for me to pickup when I'm ready)
each IntelliDose controller can control up to 8 nut tanks simultaneously
i was going to tap all my controllers into the same 8 nuts res
as for how many controllers i will run, originally was going to run 8
yes, one per res including veg and clone res
not sure how practical or realistic this is
I've decided to complete the IntelliClimate controllers setup first
have the rooms running, then design the final IntelliDose system

i didn't account much for pump failure, as an auto process
i just have another unit as a backup
this brilliant idea was suggested to me earlier by LionsRoar
very similar to your idea

Yo SOG - how's it going... I have been thinking about some sort of pump redundancy as you mentioned above...

How about 2 pumps per res both sharing irrigation duty - each running alternately 1 min on and 10 off (first pump starts 5 minutes before second pump). If one fails, your garden still lives with 1 pump running 1 on / 10 off... I know - doubles the already lofty pump requirements. Probably more appropriate for a single res system. Anyway - irrigation failure is a concern with this system. I'd love to have a bullet-proof solution.
 

GypsyBush

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your full of it GypsyBush... where is the aero system?
just kidding ;), nice work bro,
Thanks...

I am very pleased with my choice of ebb/flow... :lol:

looking good, wondering what strain those are
they seem very short to start flowering at 10"
All I know is that I have 2 Sativa dominant and 2 Indica dominant strains in the Mother's Cupboard...

Just some hardy strains bred up here in Alaska over the years... :-P

The old hippies still hold a gem or two up here...;-)
 
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