SOG / avereage weight per plant

justinbars

justinbars

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Im not sure because i have not tried it yet but i am guessing it has to do something with the little amount of time it takes from veg to harvest. It seems like having a bunch of little plants would be a lot more work then a few monsters.
 
northeastern lights

northeastern lights

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justinbars said:
Im not sure because i have not tried it yet but i am guessing it has to do something with the little amount of time it takes from veg to harvest. It seems like having a bunch of little plants would be a lot more work then a few monsters.
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It is alot more work but the benitfit is that most sog ops are perpetual. To me that is the whole point of having a sog set up.
 
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deerslayer

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just an example, in a perfect kinda way/world

room size
12 x 12
4 - 4' x 4' trays each with a 600 watt light
total watts = 2400
total plants 128 plus 32 clones rooting

sog prepetual
32 lolly-pop sticks averaging 1z a piece every 2 weeks = 2lbs every 2 weeks or 8lbs in an 8 week period with the cycle continuing.
this would be 896g with per 600 watt or 1.49g per watt (yeah thats questionable right)

filling the same room with monsters
lets go with 4 plants per light or 1 plant per 4sq foot
and lets say that you have to veg them for 4 weeks and flower for 8 weeks to get 1lb per plant
that would be a total of 16 plants with the same 2400 watts of light (600 x 4)
this would turn out 4lbs from each light every 12 weeks so about 4lbs every 3 weeks on prepetual.
again this is questionalbe but, this would equal 2.99g per watt.

Now both of these ideas are possible but I dont think that 4 monster plants would produce 1lb each under a 600 watt light, mainly because I have never seen anyone claim more than 2g per watt. I am not saying it isn't possible but I would venture to guess that the sog system would be a little closer to realistic.

Oh yeah you also have to consider the number of plants that you have to deal with in a prepetual sog vs the amount of plants grown in a monster plant prepetual.
sog minimum for this example would be 128 rooted plants and 32 clones with possible roots
monster plant example, 16 rooted plants with 4 - 8 clones (if using mothers), or 4+ seedlings

Hope that helps for figuring out which way to go.

and no i dont run either system the way it is proposed in the example.

DS
 
SayWord

SayWord

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im running 48 clones under a 600w, perpetual 4 groups of twelve. they are flowered right from rooting and im just harvesting my first ones. it looks like im gettin about 6 grams per, flowering for about 9-10 weeks.
 
bgmike8

bgmike8

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SayWord said:
im running 48 clones under a 600w, perpetual 4 groups of twelve. they are flowered right from rooting and im just harvesting my first ones. it looks like im gettin about 6 grams per, flowering for about 9-10 weeks.
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is that 6 grams per plant. 72 grams? how often? what kind of plant? thanks for the info.:?
 
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ROC1977

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deerslayer said:
just an example, in a perfect kinda way/world

room size
12 x 12
4 - 4' x 4' trays each with a 600 watt light
total watts = 2400
total plants 128 plus 32 clones rooting

sog prepetual
32 lolly-pop sticks averaging 1z a piece every 2 weeks = 2lbs every 2 weeks or 8lbs in an 8 week period with the cycle continuing.
this would be 896g with per 600 watt or 1.49g per watt (yeah thats questionable right)

filling the same room with monsters
lets go with 4 plants per light or 1 plant per 4sq foot
and lets say that you have to veg them for 4 weeks and flower for 8 weeks to get 1lb per plant
that would be a total of 16 plants with the same 2400 watts of light (600 x 4)
this would turn out 4lbs from each light every 12 weeks so about 4lbs every 3 weeks on prepetual.
again this is questionalbe but, this would equal 2.99g per watt.

Now both of these ideas are possible but I dont think that 4 monster plants would produce 1lb each under a 600 watt light, mainly because I have never seen anyone claim more than 2g per watt. I am not saying it isn't possible but I would venture to guess that the sog system would be a little closer to realistic.

Oh yeah you also have to consider the number of plants that you have to deal with in a prepetual sog vs the amount of plants grown in a monster plant prepetual.
sog minimum for this example would be 128 rooted plants and 32 clones with possible roots
monster plant example, 16 rooted plants with 4 - 8 clones (if using mothers), or 4+ seedlings

Hope that helps for figuring out which way to go.

and no i dont run either system the way it is proposed in the example.

DS
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I'd say you might manage that in the garden of Eden. AKA perfect world.
 
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easygrinder

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filling the same room with monsters
lets go with 4 plants per light or 1 plant per 4sq foot
and lets say that you have to veg them for 4 weeks and flower for 8 weeks to get 1lb per plant
that would be a total of 16 plants with the same 2400 watts of light (600 x 4)
this would turn out 4lbs from each light every 12 weeks so about 4lbs every 3 weeks on prepetual.
again this is questionalbe but, this would equal 2.99g per watt.


you could maybe achieve that given the room you'd given the plants, but not with that veg time, you'd have to veg for a lot longer
 
SayWord

SayWord

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bgmike8 said:
is that 6 grams per plant. 72 grams? how often? what kind of plant? thanks for the info.:?
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yep. 6 g per plant, the first harvest is only gonna be a total of like 8 clones, after, then about 15 clones in each group. and the harvests are gonna be about every 2 weeks. the clones are from bagseed. i also have a WW under the 600w with them

and yeah ur gonna need quite a few months of veg to aim for an elboe per indoors
 
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born2killspam

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You can't even concern yourself with individual plant yields with SOG.. Its about grams/sqft.. How many plants/sqft is optimal for a certain setup/technique is one of the tougher things to nail in the beginning when working with unfamiliar genetics.. Vegging to 5-6 inches though you won't be fitting 4/sqft thats for sure..
I used to grow very similarily.. Vegging NL5 to that height after topping, with slightly more than 12x12"/plant and just over 50W HID/sqft, I was getting just over 60g/sqft..
In your space that would be close to 2kg crops.. Its alot more work than you might think though if you're new to larger scale growing.. Especially if there are any glitches in your design that need to be worked out
 
SayWord

SayWord

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yeah, it is kind of a lot of work takin care of fuckin 50 plants, especially when theyre all on different stages of growth and need different things. on the next go around i think i'll grow slightly larger plants. maybe veg till a solid 6" and maybe even letting them branch out. my clones are all lollipopped and in i think 36 oz paper cups. itd be nicer to aim for like a half ounce per plant and put just slightly fewer plants.

what do u recomend for optimum bud under a single 600?
 
SayWord

SayWord

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no way man. the link in my sig is my journal, i havent been able to post pics for about 3 weeks but the last update is on page 7. check it if u want u can c how well theyre workin.
the only shitty part is after watering, when theres lots of stagnant water in the tray the bottom half inch or quarter inch of the cups get all soggy and shitty and it makes it hard for them to stand up
 
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matthughes68

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hey guys i'm a noob to this and i'm wondering if it's possible to get an oz /plant by having 80 plants in a 4x2 area = 8 sq. ft. meaning 0.10 ft per plant in 2 inch RW under around 600 - 800 w hps of light. growing SOG style, harvesting only the top cola, and flowering for 8 weeks right after cloning, skipping veg.
 
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drifter1978

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deerslayer said:
just an example, in a perfect kinda way/world

room size
12 x 12
4 - 4' x 4' trays each with a 600 watt light
total watts = 2400
total plants 128 plus 32 clones rooting

sog prepetual
32 lolly-pop sticks averaging 1z a piece every 2 weeks = 2lbs every 2 weeks or 8lbs in an 8 week period with the cycle continuing.
this would be 896g with per 600 watt or 1.49g per watt (yeah thats questionable right)

filling the same room with monsters
lets go with 4 plants per light or 1 plant per 4sq foot
and lets say that you have to veg them for 4 weeks and flower for 8 weeks to get 1lb per plant
that would be a total of 16 plants with the same 2400 watts of light (600 x 4)
this would turn out 4lbs from each light every 12 weeks so about 4lbs every 3 weeks on prepetual.
again this is questionalbe but, this would equal 2.99g per watt.

Now both of these ideas are possible but I dont think that 4 monster plants would produce 1lb each under a 600 watt light, mainly because I have never seen anyone claim more than 2g per watt. I am not saying it isn't possible but I would venture to guess that the sog system would be a little closer to realistic.

Oh yeah you also have to consider the number of plants that you have to deal with in a prepetual sog vs the amount of plants grown in a monster plant prepetual.
sog minimum for this example would be 128 rooted plants and 32 clones with possible roots
monster plant example, 16 rooted plants with 4 - 8 clones (if using mothers), or 4+ seedlings

Hope that helps for figuring out which way to go.

and no i dont run either system the way it is proposed in the example.

DS
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hey fellow rollers i do monster plants and get 3 lbs from 4 x 600 hps usually 2-3 plants

the middle of the room is all ways the best producer with my top weight being up 1 3/4 lbs and my end plants making up the rest off the weight


check it out
https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/134612-ak47-harvest.html
 
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deerslayer

Active Member
drifter1978 said:
hey fellow rollers i do monster plants and get 3 lbs from 4 x 600 hps usually 2-3 plants
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That is at 3lbs(1344g) and 4x 600watts(2400), 0.56 grams per watt. <- for the ones that didn't want to do the math.

If done in a sog prepetual with each 600 watter over one tray or one set of clones, and also assuming that it is dialed in correctly where you were getting 1gram per watt, you could be pulling 1 1/4 lbs every two weeks. Yeah more work but at the end of those same eight weeks once you were up and running you would get 5+ lbs instead of 3lbs.

Each to thier own though, there may be other reasons to grow 3 monsters versus multiple sog clones. I am by no means knocking you grow, mearly pointing out to others the difference that could be had.

DS

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PS- nice grow by the way just finish checking out your link.
 
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born2killspam

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matthughes68 said:
hey guys i'm a noob to this and i'm wondering if it's possible to get an oz /plant by having 80 plants in a 4x2 area = 8 sq. ft. meaning 0.10 ft per plant in 2 inch RW under around 600 - 800 w hps of light. growing SOG style, harvesting only the top cola, and flowering for 8 weeks right after cloning, skipping veg.
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Nope.. Nada.. Never.. Not in your wildest fucking dreams..
(Sorry for being a dick, but I needed atleast 10 chars to post, otherwise I'd have just said "NO"..
 
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matthughes68

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born2killspam said:
Nope.. Nada.. Never.. Not in your wildest fucking dreams..
(Sorry for being a dick, but I needed atleast 10 chars to post, otherwise I'd have just said "NO"..
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okay, thank you for clearing that up for me. what kind of lighting would i need in order to grow 1 oz from about a 1 ft plant, with about 30-50 plants in a 2x2 area ? if that is possible lol
 
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born2killspam

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With just over 50W/sqft mixed HPS/MH, I used to get about 60g/sqft.. But the plant I cloned from was a monster yielder in its own right.. 4x2 isn't the best dimension for effective use of a single light either, but 2 250W HPS could be sweet in there.. 1lb crops are doable in that area with the right equipment, genetics, and a little bit of practise..
 
bgmike8

bgmike8

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if i used only t5 lighting for the mothers and clones, do you think i could still produce nice enough plants to put in the flowering room. my alternative would be to put the clones in veg for a while then switch to flower. that would be using two 1000 watters. im thinking that if i can produce strong enough plants with the t5, i could have the same harvest every 2 months instead of 3.
 
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born2killspam

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Yea that would be fine.. Vegging doesn't take that much.. T5's won't grow them as fast as HID, but you can find your correct scheduling for your desired final size I'm sure..
 
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