So...Uh....Marijuana Legalization in Canada, What's Going On Right Now?

Regnes

Well-Known Member
It was on April 12th that the federal government was faced with the 90 day ultimatum, fix the pot laws to comply with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms or else marijuana will have to be legalized. 3 months they were given, they appealed the verdict shortly after but were quickly struck down, haven't seen or heard of anything since and we're coming up to the 2 month mark.

Bills and ammendments take time to go through, there are lots of processes that need to be carried out, which is why I'm gobsmacked that I haven't heard of anything even in the works yet. Especially since Stephen Harper, one of marijuana legalization's biggest enemies ever, was re-elected as Prime Minister early in May with a new majority government.

I really want to know what he's up to, theres no way he would just stand by and let it be, he's been pushing for further criminalization for over 5 years. Knowing Stephen Harper, I almost think he's going to do something really sneaky, he's well known for abusing the system to achieve his ends.

I've also really got to say, and I know a lot of others have said it as well, what a messed up situation this really is becoming. Medicinal marijuana is completely legal, but with Harper's aim, if you don't have a permit, you're off to jail for 2 years. I have some T3s I never had a prescription for, I guess I should turn myself in at the RCMP station, see if they send me off to the slammer for a couple years.
 

woodsmaneh!

Well-Known Member
Yup it's a screw up. The gov will appeal again and stall anyway they can. I heard Harper wants to make it even harder to get legal. The law says you can grow and posses but not smoke makes no sense.
 

Regnes

Well-Known Member
Bumpage, the cutoff date is 24 days from now, still haven't heard anything. This is just getting so tense for me, if something bad is going to happen, I'd rather know before it happens, and not just at the last moment like it seems Harper is going to do at this point.

EDIT:

Oh actually here we go

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Ottawa+alter+medical+Marijuana/4968200/story.html

Just released today as it is. Still, I'd like to know what they're playing at, if they do public consultations, they're only going to make things more difficult for themselves. Marijuana acceptance among Canadians has been over the 50% mark for a long time now, it's hard to believe they would obtain clear and positive feedback from people if they went out doing surveys, even if Harper decides to trick people with confusing or biased phrasing. Will they simply just ignore the public and go through with it in the end?

I really wish they would just do a referendum, it's obvious that the Government's stance does not reflect the public's views on Marijuana, and it's been that way for over a decade. This needs to stop, I don't care if we voted Harper in with a new majority government, I don't care if the majority of people support Harper on the larger issues at hand. No major politician wants to legalize marijuana, it's political suicide, even if over 50% of the public supports marijuana, they can't afford to irritate the ones who don't, they would lose too many votes, thet's why the decision needs to be given to the people.
 

Farfenugen

Well-Known Member
I am Canadian and as such I am always distressed at knowing too well that marijuana will never be legalized here. I am a conservative and have voted conservative all my life for various reasons, yet realise that the issue of legalization is a touchy subject here, basically because most of us either subscribe to the facts that it's a gateway drug or something as harmless as a simple home remedy that makes you feel great. And based on that, coming from a country that consumes more beer and wine than France or Britain combined, the very idea of becoming Amsterdam North gives us a sense of returning to the heyday of the hippie. Sure, the granola bran muffin brigade is in every community, protesting this, that and the other, wearing beads and prancing about as if they had something to prance about, smoking the devil weed and having unprotected lesbian-earth-mother-anarchist sex, but it's much more than the ideology of it all.

You see, in the eyes of the government (The Blue Meanies), we, the public don't really know what's good for us. We're far too stupid. We watch sit-coms, are engaged in the ritualistic acts of celebrity worship, wasteful gossip, fast food, 2012 the world is going to end and an endless decay of morality-based ramblings; be they some singer's boob being shown, a riot over the loss of a sports game or an indiscretion of the pope or some such other nonsense. As I've mentioned before, legalization isn't about marijuana, it's about morals, money and minds.

And to have us all looned-out on the goofy greenery seems like a perfect technique to have us all bow down to the almighty grand poobah sitting up on his throne on Parliament Hill. The flip-side of that 95 cent coin is that us Canadians are too damn polite, worried and apologetic given the fact that across the border lies the land of the free and home of the brave and all them darn bombs eh, not to mention those silly robed Christian Right demigods who control the minds and hearts of quite a few politicians, not to mention the media such as CNN (the mouth-piece of all that is amber waves of grain and build 'em up/knock 'em down dirtiness). The media today seems to be on the right hand of "you should be ashamed of yourselves".

Sex is a far greater sin than war will ever be. Toss into that degree of time wasted is the culture of feeling good and having the right to enjoy your own body type of deal, without all the shame. Have a drink, or a steak. Make love to the wife on Saturday night, perhaps say "fuck" once in awhile and making no big deal of it all. Yet, when it comes to doing it out in public there's some sort of "morality clause" built into our fragile, western-brainwashed psyches. Liberal thinkers? I think not. Then we hear that a few Catholic priests were caught with their pants down in the altar boy's changing room. But it's not their fault - no. So they're forgiven and sent to some out-of-the-way jungle to whip the natives into believing in Santa Clause. And while you're down there, burn the devil's foilage. It'll make it easier once they find out about McDonald's, Paris Hilton and Prozac.

I support legalization 100%. So do a majority of common sense folk out there (most of whom have prescriptions for one illness, chronic syndrome or worry). The very idea of going into your back yard and picking some flowers, making a nice cup of tea and being able to function on a daily basis is about as backwards as a person can get. Why, there's all sorts of nasty side effects that can occur, smiling for one thing, having an appetite another, or spending all your hard earned money on such things as wine, or cheese or that new pair of shoes you had your eye on. What's the big deal? It's all subsidized anyway. Where would you be without Zanex or Chemotherapy or Ritalin or danduff shampoo or latex condoms?

Can you imagine what the CEO's of a big multi-national pharmaceutical company would do? They'd be forced to drive Volvo's. No private white jets in private jet hangers, no swanky hotels with skanky hoe hookers, no bookies or horses with fancy gold bridles, or mistresses dressed up in half-alive dresses, the people would wake up and know they're all right, no need for a pill to sleep through the night or keep up a pecker sure to cause fright. Keep them drugged-up with legal subsidized M&M's, dumb them down with brain-numbing entertainment, hop up their kids with refined white sugars, corn syrups and starches and bring on a war or two to throw them off the scent that "Yes, Virginia, you do have the right to self-medicate or walk around naked in your own home". This can waken the populace to knowing and taking charge of their own bodies, minds and spirits. It's wrong.

But hey, don't take my word for it, I'm just some nasty criminal hell-bent on warping the minds of the young by growing some herbs along side my raddishes. Shit, I may even be jailed for tossing a salad one day or kissing my wife in public. Sooner or later they'll either fall under the feet of a revolution or become more powerful by further dumbing us down. The status quo is pretty safe and comfortable. Why rock the boat? You'll only drown.

I rambled.
 

woodsmaneh!

Well-Known Member
So the latest news is thye gov. is going to stop people from growing in there homes and you will have to buy from a registered grower. It's on the gov web site. We get fucked again.
 

woodsmaneh!

Well-Known Member
Here is the whole thing of how there going to screw all the people growing at home. See #6 bolded below.

1. Introduction

The Marihuana Medical Access Program (the Program) provides seriously ill Canadians with access to marihuana for medical purposes
1. In recent years, a wide range of stakeholders including police and law enforcement, fire officials, physicians, municipalities, and program participants and groups representing their interests, have identified concerns with the current program.
Some of the key concerns raised include:

  • the potential for diversion of marihuana produced for medical purposes to the illicit market;
  • the risk of home invasion due to the presence of large quantities of dried marihuana or marihuana plants;
  • public safety risks, including electrical and fire hazards, stemming from the cultivation of marihuana in homes;
  • public health risks due to the presence of excess mould and poor air quality associated with the cultivation of marihuana plants in homes;
  • the complexity and length of the application process for individuals who wish to obtain an authorization to possess and/or a licence to produce marihuana;
  • the impact of increasing participation in the Program on the efficiency and timeliness of the application and review process;
  • the fact that Health Canada only supplies one strain of dried marihuana; and,
  • the need for more current medical information pertaining to the risks and benefits associated with the use of marihuana for medical purposes, as a means of supporting discussions between physicians and their patients as to whether such treatment is appropriate.
To address these concerns, Health Canada is considering improvements to the Program. The proposed improvements would reduce the risk of abuse and exploitation by criminal elements and keep our children and communities safe.
In this regard, Health Canada would like to hear from Canadians about the improvements under consideration. You are invited to provide comments on this document.
The legalization or decriminalization of marihuana is not part of these changes. Marihuana will continue to be regulated as a controlled substance under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act (CDSA).
Until any of the proposed improvements to the Program are in place, the process for applying for an authorization to possess and/or a licence to produce marihuana for medical purposes under the Marihuana Medical Access Regulations (MMAR) will remain the same.
2. How to Comment on this Document


The proposed improvements outlined in Sections 3 to 7 of this document represent the foundation of a redesigned program that addresses many of the concerns the Government of Canada has heard about the current program.

If you are interested in providing comments on this document, please do so by July 31, 2011.

  • By Email: [email protected]
  • By Fax: 613-946-4224
  • By Mail:
    Marihuana Consultations
    Controlled Substances and Tobacco Directorate
    Health Canada
    Mail Room, Federal Records Centre - Bldg 18
    1st Floor, 161 Goldenrod Driveway, Tunney's Pasture
    Ottawa ON K1A 0K9
Please note that Health Canada is committed to reviewing and considering all comments received by July 31, 2011.
3. The Improvements under Consideration


The improvements being considered would not alter the Program's intent to provide seriously ill Canadians with reasonable access to a legal source of marihuana for medical purposes, where conventional treatments are not appropriate and/or have failed to provide necessary relief.

The core of the redesigned Program would be a new, simplified process in which Health Canada no longer receives applications from program participants. A new supply and distribution system for dried marihuana that relies on licensed commercial producers would be established. These licensed commercial producers, who would be inspected and audited by Health Canada so as to ensure that they comply with all applicable regulatory requirements, would be able to cultivate any strain(s) of marihuana they choose. Finally, the production of marihuana for medical purposes by individuals in homes and communities would be phased out.
Individuals wishing to use marihuana for medical purposes would still be required to consult a physician who is licensed to practice medicine in Canada.
4. How the Proposed Redesigned Program Would Work


4.1 Physician-Patient Interaction



  • Health Canada maintains that the determination as to whether the use of marihuana for medical purposes is appropriate for a particular individual is best made through a discussion with their physician. In this regard, Health Canada is proposing to eliminate the categories of conditions or symptoms for which an individual may possess marihuana for medical purposes under the MMAR.
  • Individuals would continue to be required to consult a physician to obtain access to marihuana for medical purposes. Since categories would be eliminated, there would no longer be a requirement for some individuals to obtain the support of a specialist in addition to their primary care physician in order to access marihuana for medical purposes.
  • The existing medical declaration would be replaced by a new document provided by the physician to the individual. Health Canada will consult the medical community on the form this document will take.
  • Individuals would no longer be required to submit information to Health Canada to be authorized to possess dried marihuana. Instead, they would submit their physician's document directly to a licensed commercial producer.
  • Health Canada will establish an Expert Advisory Committee to improve physician access to comprehensive, accurate and up-to-date information on the use of marihuana for medical purposes, thereby facilitating informed decision-making with respect to the use of marihuana for medical purposes.
  • Health Canada would work with the medical community, their provincial/territorial licensing authorities and their associations on the proposed improvements to the program.
4.2 Dried Marihuana Production and Distribution


  • Under the proposed redesigned program, Health Canada would no longer enter into a contract with a commercial entity to supply and distribute dried marihuana and marihuana seeds.
  • The only legal source of dried marihuana would be commercial producers, who would be licensed by Health Canada to produce and distribute dried marihuana. Individuals would purchase their supply of dried marihuana from one of these licensed commercial producers.
  • Personal and designated production would be phased out.
  • In order to be licensed by Health Canada, licensed commercial producers would have to demonstrate compliance with requirements related to, for example, product quality, personnel, record-keeping, safety and security, disposal and reporting, as set out in new proposed regulations. These controls would aim to ensure the quality of the product being purchased by program participants, as well as the security of production sites.
  • Health Canada would establish a comprehensive compliance and enforcement regime for licensed commercial producers, centered on regular audits and inspections.
  • Licensed commercial producers would be required to comply with specific product labelling and packaging requirements. The label and/or the package itself could be one way by which a program participant could demonstrate that their supply of marihuana is legal.
  • Licensed commercial producers would only be permitted to produce marihuana indoors.
  • Licensed commercial producers would be able to produce any strain(s) of marihuana, thus giving individuals greater choice as to which strain(s) they wish to use.
  • Licensed commercial producers would set the price for marihuana for medical purpose.
  • Licensed commercial producers would only be able to send the dried marihuana they cultivate to individuals by registered mail or bonded courier.
5. Impact on Current Program Participants Holding an Authorization to Possess Marihuana for Medical Purposes

With the proposed redesigned Program, there would be no change to the important first step of an individual consulting with their physician in order to obtain access to marihuana for medical purposes. In response to concerns raised by the medical community regarding the clinical use of marihuana, Health Canada is committed to working with the medical community on the identification of reference information that supports appropriate physician-patient consultation on this issue.

Once it has been determined that the use of marihuana for medical purposes is appropriate, the physician would provide the individual with a document.
Individuals would then send the physician's document directly to a licensed commercial producer of their choice. The licensed producer would validate the document from the physician by confirming that the physician is licensed to practice medicine in Canada. The licensed producer would register the individual as a customer and would process the order for a specific amount of dried marihuana. Health Canada would maintain an up-to-date list of licensed producers on its website, and work with the medical community to disseminate this information as widely as possible.
The distribution of dried marihuana by licensed commercial producers to program participants would be by registered mail or bonded courier only.
Participants would no longer receive an authorization to possess or an identification card from Health Canada. Health Canada will consult on how best to establish that an individual is in lawful possession of a legal source of dried marihuana.

6. Impact on Current Program Participants Who Hold a Personal-Use or Designated-Person Production Licence

Within the proposed redesigned Program, only licensed commercial producers will be legally allowed to supply individuals with marihuana for medical purposes. Personal and designated production would be phased out.

That said, as the Government of Canada is committed to ensuring access to an uninterrupted legal source of dried marihuana, it will notify all holders of personal-use and designated-person production licences well in advance of the coming-into-effect of any improvements to the Program. A detailed transition plan will be shared with stakeholders when proposed regulations are pre-published in Canada Gazette, Part I.


7. Opportunity for Those Interested in Becoming a Licensed Commercial Producer


Health Canada is aware that transition to the proposed redesigned Program requires access to an adequate supply of dried marihuana to meet the needs of current and future Program participants. In this regard, Health Canada has identified compliance with requirements relating to the following aspects of production and distribution as being key to obtaining a commercial producer licence:


  • Dried Marihuana Production, Distribution and Disposition
    • indoor production in a non-residential area;
    • physical security standards;
    • product quality standards;
    • packaging and labelling standards; and
    • requirements for the disposal of excess plant material, excess dried marihuana and/or expired dried marihuana.
  • Personnel
    • designation of an individual responsible for managing the production and distribution of dried marihuana; and
    • specific qualifications for all personnel involved in production and distribution.
  • Record-keeping and Reporting
    • requirements to keep records relating to all on-site activities for a set period of time, and the ability to provide set records to Health Canada on request; and
    • requirements for reporting on activities associated with the cultivation of marihuana and the distribution of dried marihuana.
  • Compliance and Enforcement
    • pre-qualification audits and pre-licence inspections; and
    • inspections and/or audits on an ongoing basis.
Annex: The Current Marihuana Medical Access Program

1. Regulation of Marihuana in Canada


Marihuana is included in Schedule II to the
Controlled Drugs and Substances Act (CDSA), and as such, is regulated as a controlled substance in Canada. This means that all activities, e.g., possession, possession for the purposes of trafficking, production, importation, exportation, trafficking, and possession for the purposes of exporting, are illegal except as authorized by regulation. Illegal activities associated with marihuana are considered to be criminal offences and are subject to the penalties set out in the CDSA.
2. Program History


In 1999, Health Canada established the Marihuana Medical Access Program (the Program) so as to provide seriously ill Canadians suffering from grave and debilitating illnesses with access to a legal source of dried marihuana for medical purposes. In the original Program, Health Canada authorized individuals to possess marihuana and/or to produce a limited number of plants for medical use through exemptions issued under section 56 of the CDSA.

In July 2000, the Ontario Court of Appeal found fault with the discretionary way in which Health Canada was using Section 56 of the CDSA as the means of granting authorization to possess and/or produce dried marihuana for medical purposes. In response, Health Canada established the Marihuana Medical Access Regulations (MMAR).
The MMAR set out a scheme by which any seriously ill Canadian can, with a declaration from a physician, obtain an authorization to possess and/or a licence to produce dried marihuana for their own personal medical use. The MMAR also provide for an authorized person to designate someone to grow marihuana on their behalf. In 2003, the MMAR were amended to provide for the option for authorized persons to obtain dried marihuana or marihuana seeds for medical purposes by Health Canada. This supply is currently provided under contract by Prairie Plant Systems Inc.
Since 2003, the MMAR have been amended on a number of occasions, so as to streamline the Program, respond to stakeholder concerns and/or address additional court decisions.
3. How the Program Works Now


Eligibility


Under the current Program, individuals suffering from life-threatening or chronic medical conditions must first obtain the support of a licensed medical practitioner who completes a medical declaration stating that dried marihuana is going to be used to alleviate a specific symptom associated with an identified medical condition. The individual then includes this medical declaration in their application for an authorization to possess. To be authorized to possess marihuana, an individual's symptoms and conditions must fall within one of two possible categories:


  • Category 1: any symptom treated as part of compassionate end-of-life care or for symptoms related to specific medical conditions, namely:
    • Severe pain and/or persistent muscle spasms from multiple sclerosis, a spinal cord injury;
    • Severe pain, cachexia, anorexia, weight loss, and/or severe nausea from cancer or HIV/AIDS infection;
    • Severe pain from severe forms of arthritis; or,
    • Seizures from epilepsy.
  • Category 2: a debilitating symptom that is associated with a medical condition or with the medical treatment of that condition, other than those described in Category 1.
Authorization to Possess

If an individual's application meets all of the requirements set out in the MMAR, Health Canada must issue an authorization to possess marihuana for medical purposes to the applicant. The applicant's physician is always notified when an authorization to possess is issued.

Authorized individuals then have three options to obtain a supply of dried marihuana for medical purposes. They can:

  • Apply for a personal-use production licence authorizing them to grow their own supply of marihuana; or,
  • Designate someone to produce on their behalf under a designated-person production licence.
  • Purchase dried marihuana from Health Canada
Licensed Production

As set out above, there are two different types of licences to produce marihuana for medical purposes: personal-use production licences and designated-person production licences. All licences set out specific terms and conditions applicable to the licence, including the maximum amount of marihuana a licence holder may possess at any one time, and the maximum number of plants that are allowed to be in cultivation at any one time.
 

cliffey501

Active Member
I am Canadian and as such I am always distressed at knowing too well that marijuana will never be legalized here. I am a conservative and have voted conservative all my life for various reasons, yet realise that the issue of legalization is a touchy subject here, basically because most of us either subscribe to the facts that it's a gateway drug or something as harmless as a simple home remedy that makes you feel great. And based on that, coming from a country that consumes more beer and wine than France or Britain combined, the very idea of becoming Amsterdam North gives us a sense of returning to the heyday of the hippie. Sure, the granola bran muffin brigade is in every community, protesting this, that and the other, wearing beads and prancing about as if they had something to prance about, smoking the devil weed and having unprotected lesbian-earth-mother-anarchist sex, but it's much more than the ideology of it all.

You see, in the eyes of the government (The Blue Meanies), we, the public don't really know what's good for us. We're far too stupid. We watch sit-coms, are engaged in the ritualistic acts of celebrity worship, wasteful gossip, fast food, 2012 the world is going to end and an endless decay of morality-based ramblings; be they some singer's boob being shown, a riot over the loss of a sports game or an indiscretion of the pope or some such other nonsense. As I've mentioned before, legalization isn't about marijuana, it's about morals, money and minds.

And to have us all looned-out on the goofy greenery seems like a perfect technique to have us all bow down to the almighty grand poobah sitting up on his throne on Parliament Hill. The flip-side of that 95 cent coin is that us Canadians are too damn polite, worried and apologetic given the fact that across the border lies the land of the free and home of the brave and all them darn bombs eh, not to mention those silly robed Christian Right demigods who control the minds and hearts of quite a few politicians, not to mention the media such as CNN (the mouth-piece of all that is amber waves of grain and build 'em up/knock 'em down dirtiness). The media today seems to be on the right hand of "you should be ashamed of yourselves".

Sex is a far greater sin than war will ever be. Toss into that degree of time wasted is the culture of feeling good and having the right to enjoy your own body type of deal, without all the shame. Have a drink, or a steak. Make love to the wife on Saturday night, perhaps say "fuck" once in awhile and making no big deal of it all. Yet, when it comes to doing it out in public there's some sort of "morality clause" built into our fragile, western-brainwashed psyches. Liberal thinkers? I think not. Then we hear that a few Catholic priests were caught with their pants down in the altar boy's changing room. But it's not their fault - no. So they're forgiven and sent to some out-of-the-way jungle to whip the natives into believing in Santa Clause. And while you're down there, burn the devil's foilage. It'll make it easier once they find out about McDonald's, Paris Hilton and Prozac.

I support legalization 100%. So do a majority of common sense folk out there (most of whom have prescriptions for one illness, chronic syndrome or worry). The very idea of going into your back yard and picking some flowers, making a nice cup of tea and being able to function on a daily basis is about as backwards as a person can get. Why, there's all sorts of nasty side effects that can occur, smiling for one thing, having an appetite another, or spending all your hard earned money on such things as wine, or cheese or that new pair of shoes you had your eye on. What's the big deal? It's all subsidized anyway. Where would you be without Zanex or Chemotherapy or Ritalin or danduff shampoo or latex condoms?

Can you imagine what the CEO's of a big multi-national pharmaceutical company would do? They'd be forced to drive Volvo's. No private white jets in private jet hangers, no swanky hotels with skanky hoe hookers, no bookies or horses with fancy gold bridles, or mistresses dressed up in half-alive dresses, the people would wake up and know they're all right, no need for a pill to sleep through the night or keep up a pecker sure to cause fright. Keep them drugged-up with legal subsidized M&M's, dumb them down with brain-numbing entertainment, hop up their kids with refined white sugars, corn syrups and starches and bring on a war or two to throw them off the scent that "Yes, Virginia, you do have the right to self-medicate or walk around naked in your own home". This can waken the populace to knowing and taking charge of their own bodies, minds and spirits. It's wrong.

But hey, don't take my word for it, I'm just some nasty criminal hell-bent on warping the minds of the young by growing some herbs along side my raddishes. Shit, I may even be jailed for tossing a salad one day or kissing my wife in public. Sooner or later they'll either fall under the feet of a revolution or become more powerful by further dumbing us down. The status quo is pretty safe and comfortable. Why rock the boat? You'll only drown.

I rambled.
This entire post is a contradiction to itself.You support legalization 100%? But you vote conservative and give stephen harper his majority so he can fast track his "tough on crime bills" threw.This bill includes mandatory minimum sentences for growing 6 marijuana plants.You also dont agree with CEO's of big companies driving fancy cars ,staying in nice hotels , and flying in private jets? But you vote conservative so they can hand out huge corporate tax breaks all while exploiting our tar sands and taking what effect on our environment?Who cares as long as the deficit is paid off by 2015 right?Not to mention the man(stephen harper) was found to be in contempt of parlaiment for lying about the finances for the g8 and g20 summits.And yet still sheeple voted for him.I wish we could just impeach him like they do in the states but all we could do was have a vote of non-confidence and hold another election and let the people decide.And when you talk abbout the media showing us what they want us to see and how the system keeps us "doped up".Sounds to me like this worked on you because anyone that is informed wouldn't have voted conservative.
 

Farfenugen

Well-Known Member
You entirely missed the point I was making, I was smacking it in the face. Meaning: that no matter what we want, no matter who controls the wording of any bill or company, the little guy will always be left holding the thin end of the wedge. Harper, is merely a follower of what the big 'ol USA says and does. You must remember, the DEA is a power un to itself, ever since Nixon made this little green herb enemy number one, the rest of the world followed suit. I voted for the Conservatives on other issues, some personal, some common sense ones. That was that. But as far as lealization, I am and always have been, for it. You, my friend, sound like an obvious NDPer. As you know, the NDP are pro-socialism. That it itself, is a nail in the coffin against freedom. And most of the media we Canadians view, comes from America (land of all reality television).
 

cliffey501

Active Member
You entirely missed the point I was making, I was smacking it in the face. Meaning: that no matter what we want, no matter who controls the wording of any bill or company, the little guy will always be left holding the thin end of the wedge. Harper, is merely a follower of what the big 'ol USA says and does. You must remember, the DEA is a power un to itself, ever since Nixon made this little green herb enemy number one, the rest of the world followed suit. I voted for the Conservatives on other issues, some personal, some common sense ones. That was that. But as far as lealization, I am and always have been, for it. You, my friend, sound like an obvious NDPer. As you know, the NDP are pro-socialism. That it itself, is a nail in the coffin against freedom. And most of the media we Canadians view, comes from America (land of all reality television).
Yes, Guilty as charged I am a NDPer and yes socialism has its downfalls as do conservatives ,liberals, or any other political party.And yes they would put a damper on some of your freedoms but thats what governments do.Any government is oppressive.But they got my vote because of their honesty.They came right out and said the were going to raise taxes.To me that says honesty.No politician tries to win an election by saying they will raise taxes.Also you say that stephen harper is just following what the usa does this is false.The justice minister of the us issued a letter to prime minister harper to warn against their failed system of mandatory minimum sentences.Its pretty well known that most states are getting more and more leiniant against marijuana offences but yet our country seems to going in reverse and getting tougher on marijuana.Oh and btw dont take this as a personal attack I have nothing against you this is simply a way of exchanging ideas and maybe you can open my eyes to some new ideas and maybe I can enlighten you a little.
 

Farfenugen

Well-Known Member
Sure sounds great, I am always open to a little "enlightenment" providing of it comes with a lovely aroma, tastes good and leaves me with a happy smile (I am of course talking about my favourite herbage). Canada has always been urged to adopt the US drug policies in the past, Harper is merely cowing down to the political boot up the ass by instituting his own (US style) policies basically to say to the US that we are just as tough as you are - failures in mms or not. We will always follow suit to what goes on below the border, and unless the US takes marijuana off its current classification and declares that it's legal (when pigs fly), Canada isn't going to lift a finger towards legalization, be they Conservative, Liberal or the NDP.
 

born2killspam

Well-Known Member
Yup it's a screw up. The gov will appeal again and stall anyway they can. I heard Harper wants to make it even harder to get legal. The law says you can grow and posses but not smoke makes no sense.
I agree Harper can be a devious bastard, but it seems like he hasn't been plotting very much since he got re-elected.. I'm rather confused myself, I almost wonder if he doesn't intend to get re-elected, that he plans to step down next time around.. I mean sure MJ acceptance in Canada is > 50%, but that isn't the case with conservative voters.. Harper is a freakin smart guy regardless of how much of a jerk he can be.. Smart guys don't waste time fighting battles that don't affect their bottom line..
Then again I could be dead wrong.. Like I said, he's a smart guy.. I expected him to go all dictator with his majority, but he really hasn't.. I really hope this isn't a calm before a storm..
Hopefully he just want to get the planes so he can please his US corporate allies enough to get a sweet job down there after this term..
 

Regnes

Well-Known Member
So I'm really confused, the proposed changes don't appear to be going through any time really soon, not until at least July 31st I'd assume anyway, that's well after the 90 day mark. Do they get some sort of extension on those 90 days? Or was it just 90 days to propose the new changes?
 

woodsmaneh!

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Harper has announced plans to stop all people from growing in their homes by the end of next year, the changes are on the Health Canada site.
 
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