So much for the polls ...

ViRedd

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EIGHTY-FOUR PERCENT SAY THEY'D NEVER LIE TO A POLLSTER
by Ann Coulter
October 15, 2008

With an African-American running for president this year, there has been a lot of chatter about the "Bradley effect," allowing the media to wail about institutional racism in America.

Named after Tom Bradley, who lost his election for California governor in 1982 despite a substantial lead in the polls, the Bradley effect says that black candidates will poll much stronger than the actual election results.

First of all, if true, this is the opposite of racism: It is fear of being accused of racism. For most Americans, there is nothing more terrifying than the prospect of being called a racist. It's scarier than flood or famine, terrorist attacks or flesh-eating bacteria. To some, it's even scarier than "food insecurity."

Political correctness has taught people to lie to pollsters rather than be forced to explain why they're not voting for the African-American.

This is how two typical voters might answer a pollster's question: "Whom do you support for president?"

Average Obama voter: "Obama." (Name of average Obama voter: "Mickey Mouse.")

Average McCain voter: "I'm voting for McCain, but I swear it's just about the issues. It's not because Obama's black. If Barack Obama were a little more moderate -- hey, I'd vote for Colin Powell. But my convictions force me to vote for the candidate who just happens to be white. Say, do you know where I can get Patti LaBelle tickets?"

In addition to the social pressure to constantly prove you're not a racist, apparently there is massive social pressure to prove you're not a Republican. No one is lying about voting for McCain just to sound cool.

Reviewing the polls printed in The New York Times and The Washington Post in the last month of every presidential election since 1976, I found the polls were never wrong in a friendly way to Republicans. When the polls were wrong, which was often, they overestimated support for the Democrat, usually by about 6 to 10 points.

In 1976, Jimmy Carter narrowly beat Gerald Ford 50.1 percent to 48 percent. And yet, on Sept. 1, Carter led Ford by 15 points. Just weeks before the election, on Oct. 16, 1976, Carter led Ford in the Gallup Poll by 6 percentage points -- down from his 33-point Gallup Poll lead in August.

Reading newspaper coverage of presidential elections in 1980 and 1984, I found myself paralyzed by the fear that Reagan was going to lose.

In 1980, Ronald Reagan beat Carter by nearly 10 points, 51 percent to 41 percent. In a Gallup Poll released days before the election on Oct. 27, it was Carter who led Reagan 45 percent to 42 percent.

In 1984, Reagan walloped Walter Mondale 58.8 percent to 40 percent, -- the largest electoral landslide in U.S. history. But on Oct. 15, The New York Daily News published a poll showing Mondale with only a 4-point deficit to Reagan, 45 percent to 41 percent. A Harris Poll about the same time showed Reagan with only a 9-point lead. The Oct. 19 New York Times/CBS News Poll had Mr. Reagan ahead of Mondale by 13 points. All these polls underestimated Reagan's actual margin of victory by 6 to 15 points.

In 1988, George H.W. Bush beat Michael Dukakis by a whopping 53.4 percent to 45.6 percent. A New York Times/CBS News Poll on Oct. 5 had Bush leading the Greek homunculus by a statistically insignificant 2 points -- 45 percent to 43 percent. (For the kids out there: Before it became a clearinghouse for anti-Bush conspiracy theories, CBS News was considered a credible journalistic entity.)

A week later -- or one tank ride later, depending on who's telling the story -- on Oct. 13, Bush was leading Dukakis in The New York Times Poll by a mere 5 points.

Admittedly, a 3- to 6-point error is not as crazily wrong as the 6- to 15-point error in 1984. But it's striking that even small "margin of error" mistakes never seem to benefit Republicans.

In 1992, Bill Clinton beat the first President Bush 43 percent to 37.7 percent. (Ross Perot got 18.9 percent of Bush's voters that year.) On Oct. 18, a Newsweek Poll had Clinton winning 46 percent to 31 percent, and a CBS News Poll showed Clinton winning 47 percent to 35 percent.

So in 1992, the polls had Clinton 12 to 15 points ahead, but he won by only 5.3 points.

In 1996, Bill Clinton beat Bob Dole 49 percent to 40 percent. And yet on Oct. 22, 1996, The New York Times/CBS News Poll showed Clinton leading by a massive 22 points, 55 percent to 33 percent.

In 2000, which I seem to recall as being fairly close, the October polls accurately described the election as a virtual tie, with either Bush or Al Gore 1 or 2 points ahead in various polls. But in one of the latest polls to give either candidate a clear advantage, The New York Times/CBS News Poll on Oct. 3, 2000, showed Gore winning by 45 percent to 39 percent.

In the last presidential election the polls were surprisingly accurate -- not including the massively inaccurate Election Day exit poll. In the end, Bush beat John Kerry 50.7 percent to 48.3 percent in 2004. Most of the October polls showed the candidates in a dead-heat, with Bush 1 to 3 points ahead. So either pollsters got a whole lot better starting in 2004, or Democrats stole more votes in that election than we even realized.

 

joepro

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pollsters have a good reason to make it appear like this is a close race.

Odd to go from 14+ to 4+ over night huh?
Like people are really flip flopping weekly.

Pollsters make money!!!!
 

******

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exit polls r not perfect they can't account for voter suppession , it's not who votes it's who counts the votes , i can't wait til the otherside wins and then cheating will be real ,
 

bradlyallen2

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I can't believe ANYTHING Ann Coulter writes. She is a typical conservative hate monger whose message gets amplified in the conservative echo chamber that is Foxnews and the Rush Limbaugh show. She has no audience outside of these heavily biased venues that report only what their audiences want to hear, regardless of contradictory facts. The fact that you reference her article for this thread shows very clearly you are heavily biased and incapable of engaging in fair, factual, genuine debate about the current political situation.
 

ViRedd

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I can't believe ANYTHING Ann Coulter writes. She is a typical conservative hate monger whose message gets amplified in the conservative echo chamber that is Foxnews and the Rush Limbaugh show. She has no audience outside of these heavily biased venues that report only what their audiences want to hear, regardless of contradictory facts. The fact that you reference her article for this thread shows very clearly you are heavily biased and incapable of engaging in fair, factual, genuine debate about the current political situation.
Well, that's much better than calling me a racist, a bigot, a sexist, a homophobe, a Nazi, a Fascist ... or any of the other names the opposition call people in an attempt to discredit their positions.

Nice try ... but no Cupie Doll. bongsmilie

Vi
 

TheBrutalTruth

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Anyone who takes Coulter's word for anything has a calcified brain stem.
Well at least you aren't accusing people who read her work of being calcified brain stems... so I suppose that is an improvement over the last time some one attacked her.

Though, I disagree, she often as valid points (even if they are heavily biased to the right.)

But there are people that are heavily biased to the left (like SNL which backed down when the Democrats cried about a show it wanted to do that would have mocked the left.)
 

Big P

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ya even if anncoulter may be p.m.s.in 110% of the time

how do the polls go from 11% ahead to dead tie in a couple days??


this is as confucius used to say "compleatly redicurous":mrgreen:
 

ElBarto

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The polls I was reading pretty accurately predicted the result of the 2006 election. 2004 was too close to call most of the time. That certainly isn't the case this time around.

As for the Bradley effect, there's alot of evidence coming in that economic circumstances are trumping racial bias.

So a canvasser goes to a woman's door in Washington, Pennsylvania. Knocks. Woman answers. Knocker asks who she's planning to vote for. She isn't sure, has to ask her husband who she's voting for. Husband is off in another room watching some game. Canvasser hears him yell back, "We're votin' for the n***er!"

Woman turns back to canvasser, and says brightly and matter of factly: "We're voting for the n***er."

More...


Also: Racists for Obama? - Ben Smith - Politico.com
 

Twistyman

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Hypocrites ?????

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When it suits him......them.
 

Big P

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ya but when mcain was there he was performing counter intelligence operations:mrgreen:





plus for him to show up at a group that illigally registers people to vote for his opponent shows his great selfcontrol and rabid inclusivness :eyesmoke:
 

Twistyman

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ya but when mcain was there he was performing counter intelligence operations:mrgreen:





plus for him to show up at a group that illigally registers people to vote for his opponent shows his great selfcontrol and rabid inclusivness :eyesmoke:
Its just funny when you see the bias in the American media.. I like to check out the Canadian and BBC news, and others to get the truth... they're not 1 sided like fox and most others....
 

omegafarmer

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cbc and bbc are both the same as fox when it comes right down to the truth just fox is totally in your face and cbc and bbc are more subtle but still bullshit
 

ViRedd

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So, McCain gave speeches at ACORN. So what? How much of his campaign funds did he donate to ACORN?

O'Bama donated $800,000 to ACORN's "Get Out The Vote" campaign.

Vi
 
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