Smart meters a concern??

chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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whitebb2727 said:
From what I've been reading over the last hour or so is that certain meters can. Only certain ones and the only place its being use is in pilot testing programs in the UK.


Now. Please provide a link of it actually being used currently in the US.
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well, at least you understand it now right?in one hour went from cant happen dont understand to finding a meter that actually does it. thats good, would have taken me much longer.
sooory, I'm not a gynecologist and have no idea how the shit works, only repeating what my dte rep told me while setting up my commercial account. once I saw that a smart meter could indeed do as described, and I googled the word algorithm... I tend to believe the words she spoke, no worries if you dont though, I have nothing to sell or prove.
 
jonsnow399

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whitebb2727 said:
Explain it then. I mean really explain it.

I got an associates in electronics and I'm trying to wrap my head around what your saying. I just don't see it.

You use the word algorithm. Ok. So explain what inputs they use.
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Even if they can't tell what you are using, how difficult is it to write a software program that tells you who uses lots of power in more or less regular 12 hr cycles, then look at the people with double or more average local use. Bingo! About the warrant, I have seen a local cop ask about who lived at an address at the local electric office and they gave up the info no problem.
 
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chemphlegm

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But Sense, a startup in Cambridge, Massachusetts, is the first to offer a consumer product that reads incoming household power levels a million times per second—enough to tease out telltale clues to which specific appliances, even low-wattage ones, are operating in real time. “It’s at the cutting edge of what I have seen people attempting in this area,” says Michael Baker, a vice president at SBW, an energy efficiency consultancy in Seattle.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601881/find-out-which-appliance-is-sucking-all-your-power/

"Navetas CEO Chris Saunders describes the technology, saying "we go into a process where we identify the core elements of an appliance -- for instance, we can identify heating loads, induction motor loads, consumer electronics loads and things like that. We then look at associations between all of those within the home to piece together what is occurring, and to identify discrete appliances.”

"Navetas is partnering with smart meter maker Sensus in the U.S. to pair its technology with the Sensus meters......
The algorithms can also be used to identify natural gas and water use in a home and Sensus makes meters for those applications too, meaning this technology could be a triple threat for home efficiency."

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As businesses look for new ways to gain insight into consumers, utility meters that wirelessly transmit energy-usage data are increasingly drawing attention because of what they can reveal about our behavior at home, such as when and how often we use certain appliances.

Last month, a unit of WPP, the world’s biggest advertising agency, announced it was teaming up with London-based software company Onzo to study ways to collect smart-meter data on household energy use. Onzo CEO Joel Hagan told Bloomberg News that the information has the potential to “open the door of the home.”

But unlocking the front door is just the beginning. The next stop for big data could be on the sofa next to us as we watch TV. Information flowing through smart meters can be mined to determine users' viewing habits -- not just that people are watching TV, but which programs they're watching, down to individual scenes at specific times, according to a little-known study by the University of Applied Sciences in Steinfurt, Germany."

these articles are years old. Game Time !!!
 
jonsnow399

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chemphlegm said:
But Sense, a startup in Cambridge, Massachusetts, is the first to offer a consumer product that reads incoming household power levels a million times per second—enough to tease out telltale clues to which specific appliances, even low-wattage ones, are operating in real time. “It’s at the cutting edge of what I have seen people attempting in this area,” says Michael Baker, a vice president at SBW, an energy efficiency consultancy in Seattle.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601881/find-out-which-appliance-is-sucking-all-your-power/

"Navetas CEO Chris Saunders describes the technology, saying "we go into a process where we identify the core elements of an appliance -- for instance, we can identify heating loads, induction motor loads, consumer electronics loads and things like that. We then look at associations between all of those within the home to piece together what is occurring, and to identify discrete appliances.”

"Navetas is partnering with smart meter maker Sensus in the U.S. to pair its technology with the Sensus meters......
The algorithms can also be used to identify natural gas and water use in a home and Sensus makes meters for those applications too, meaning this technology could be a triple threat for home efficiency."

"
As businesses look for new ways to gain insight into consumers, utility meters that wirelessly transmit energy-usage data are increasingly drawing attention because of what they can reveal about our behavior at home, such as when and how often we use certain appliances.

Last month, a unit of WPP, the world’s biggest advertising agency, announced it was teaming up with London-based software company Onzo to study ways to collect smart-meter data on household energy use. Onzo CEO Joel Hagan told Bloomberg News that the information has the potential to “open the door of the home.”

But unlocking the front door is just the beginning. The next stop for big data could be on the sofa next to us as we watch TV. Information flowing through smart meters can be mined to determine users' viewing habits -- not just that people are watching TV, but which programs they're watching, down to individual scenes at specific times, according to a little-known study by the University of Applied Sciences in Steinfurt, Germany."

these articles are years old. Game Time !!!
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You mean GAME OVER if the cops want to get really serious about large home grows per this and my post.
 
chemphlegm

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jonsnow399 said:
About the warrant, I have seen a local cop ask about who lived at an address at the local electric office and they gave up the info no problem.
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thats no thing at all, the chick probably just googled it for him. surprised he didnt google it himself
 
Cx2H

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Send in the clown's if they are mining data from these digital meters and logging it. Sounds like trap time on the service entrance.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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jonsnow399 said:
You mean game over if the cops want to get really serious about large home grows per this and my post.
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but this has been going on for years according to Mi.gov. busts with electricity usage are happening because of stolen power, not using too much. after cops have evidence they gather more. a high bill could show the court "huge growing" or a sauna, but coupled with all the friends snitching on them ......we know how that works. pigs dont need power to bust growers. many are plain stupid with their habits
 
jonsnow399

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chemphlegm said:
thats no thing at all, the chick probably just googled it for him. surprised he didnt google it himself
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there was no google , anyways she was a clerk, she had the records right there. I don't want to swear to it as I couldn't hear exactly what was said but I think she may have given him everything.
 
jonsnow399

jonsnow399

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chemphlegm said:
but this has been going on for years according to Mi.gov. busts with electricity usage are happening because of stolen power, not using too much. after cops have evidence they gather more. a high bill could show the court "huge growing" or a sauna, but coupled with all the friends snitching on them ......we know how that works. pigs dont need power to bust growers. many are plain stupid with their habits
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but this is new, write the program i talked about and it is game over.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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jonsnow399 said:
there was no google , anyways she was a clerk, she had the records right there. I don't want to swear to it as I couldn't hear exactly what was said but I think she may have given him everything.
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I mean like he could have looked it up like this himself, they got that record always.

"9er9er, 1adam 12, need a name for this address" or sumpin, prolly banging the slut and dropped her off six sandwiches to scarf in the bathroom, pig whore
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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https://michiganstopsmartmeters.com/
for you paranoid noids

smart meter or else
"The company says the shutoffs are necessary because locked meters are illegal under Michigan law, and that customers who've had their service cut received multiple warnings to remove locks and prepare for the changeover. DTE says those customers were also informed of an "opt-out" program that eliminates the wireless signal sending data to the utility." https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2017/08/15/dte-begins-cutting-power-to-last-smart-meter-holdouts
 
EveryBlueMoon

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I know what he's talking about when he says they use algorithms to know what devices you're using. He's mistaken though when he says they know what item and even what brand you're using. The fact is that they can only draw conclusions based on patterns of usage against known amounts of electricity that different items use.

For example refrigerators come on to cool and shut off at regular intervals. The same goes for air conditioners etc. That being said it's really not that difficult to figure out why usage goes up say 600-1000k watts everyday at the exact same time everyday for 12-18 hours. Especially when the cycle starts at 18/6 and goes to 12/12 for 6-10weeks and repeats.

How easily law enforcement can get their hands on that information I have no idea.
 
whitebb2727

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chemphlegm said:
well, at least you understand it now right?in one hour went from cant happen dont understand to finding a meter that actually does it. thats good, would have taken me much longer.
sooory, I'm not a gynecologist and have no idea how the shit works, only repeating what my dte rep told me while setting up my commercial account. once I saw that a smart meter could indeed do as described, and I googled the word algorithm... I tend to believe the words she spoke, no worries if you dont though, I have nothing to sell or prove.
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That's what I'm saying. The only info I can find states that you have to have sensors on your appliances. They also have to be newer appliances setup to do so. The only other info I can find is one company that developed it in the UK and pilot programs are in place. The only mention of the US in several articles state that one US company is investing in it.

jonsnow399 said:
Even if they can't tell what you are using, how difficult is it to write a software program that tells you who uses lots of power in more or less regular 12 hr cycles, then look at the people with double or more average local use. Bingo! About the warrant, I have seen a local cop ask about who lived at an address at the local electric office and they gave up the info no problem.
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I don't see it happening. At best they can tell I have a appliance come on at a certain time and how much it draws.

No big deal really. There are many reasons to have appliances on a timer.
 
Flagg420

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Nice to be in a medi-legal state.... My power company knows I grow, and don't give a fuck... long as I pay my bill, every one is happy.

And if the cops DO show up, even with a warrant, my grow is 100% within legal limits and regulations. :)

We may have shitty politicians, but at least the medical cannabis law in working... (aside from completely not mentioning dispensaries in the fucking bill)
 
jonsnow399

jonsnow399

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chemphlegm said:
I mean like he could have looked it up like this himself, they got that record always.

"9er9er, 1adam 12, need a name for this address" or sumpin, prolly banging the slut and dropped her off six sandwiches to scarf in the bathroom, pig whore
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there isn't always up to date records on who is living where, and come to think of it he wanted to know whose name the bill was in.
 
jonsnow399

jonsnow399

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whitebb2727 said:
That's what I'm saying. The only info I can find states that you have to have sensors on your appliances. They also have to be newer appliances setup to do so. The only other info I can find is one company that developed it in the UK and pilot programs are in place. The only mention of the US in several articles state that one US company is investing in it.


I don't see it happening. At best they can tell I have a appliance come on at a certain time and how much it draws.

No big deal really. There are many reasons to have appliances on a timer.
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I hope you're right but I don't think so. How many people turn appliances on a regular 12 hr schedule that use 4000 watts?
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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jonsnow399 said:
I hope you're right but I don't think so. How many people turn appliances on a regular 12 hr schedule that use 4000 watts?
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Plenty of reasons. After the military I got into industrial maint. Plc's.

You would be surprised at what people run on timers. Fishtanks and growing corral, raising reptiles and other pets. Growing vegetables.

I get what you saying though. I just don't think its a big deal. Pay your bill on time and they will leave you alone.

What gets people bust3d more than anything else is stealing power.

Follow simple rules. If Leo has no reason to suspect you then the power company is not going to call over it because running 4000 watts on a timer is not illegal.

I have never known what its like to grow legal. I've known quite a few growers. Never known anyone to get busted because of a smart meter. I've known several that are in jail now for stealing power.
 
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