Slow demise of the mighty greenback

Dankdude

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Slow demise of the mighty greenback - Business - Business - smh.com.au

THE US dollar - once the surest store of value in the world economy - is crumbling, fuelling speculation the powerful US economy is losing its grip on the global economy.

Since 2002 the value of the greenback has almost halved, averaged against America's major trading partners.

This week the currency hit an all-time low against the euro, a quarter-century low against sterling, and an 18-year low against the Australian dollar.

Yesterday morning the Australian dollar hit US86.41c, its highest level against its US counterpart since February 1989.

For Australian businesses and consumers, the US currency's slide, and its corollary, the Australian dollar's ascent, is both a blessing and a bane.

For consumers, the big boost has been assistance at the petrol bowser. "Let's assume that the Australian dollar hadn't appreciated as it has over the last year," the director of research at Grange Securities, Stephen Roberts, said.

"The current bowser price of petrol would be closer to $1.45 a litre rather than somewhere in the low $1.20s."

But the rising dollar is a mixed blessing for many companies.

On the one hand it reduces the price of imported goods and materials.

On the other it hurts firms trying to sell goods overseas or those with earnings denominated in US dollars.

Credit Suisse downgraded its earnings forecast for the paper manufacturer, PaperlinX , yesterday by a yearly average of 15 per cent over the next five years.

The poker machine company, Aristocrat, is also struggling against the headwind of the declining US dollar.

Aristocrat has more than half of its earnings in US dollars, which shrink in value when swapped back into Australian dollars.

And building materials supplier Boral is also suffering, with 30 per cent of its earnings in US dollars.

While the implosion of the US sub-prime mortgage market has rattled markets over the last two months, economists say the chief reason for the US dollar's deterioration is the monster US trade deficit against the rest of the world and particularly against China.

US trade negotiators have been applying heat to their Chinese counterparts to let the Chinese yuan appreciate against the US dollar.

This would assist America's trade position by making US goods more affordable overseas.

If the US trade position does not improve, the US has to attract a huge amount of foreign capital to help finance its deficits.

"There's been no real difficulty in attracting a capital inflow," Grange's Mr Roberts said, "but the US always needed to offer this carrot that the US dollar would slowly decline, as an indication that something is changing - that it would help the trends to stabilise."

NAB's head of research, Peter Jolly, said international investors had grown wary of the continued US trade deficits.

"When I talk to people they mention the current account deficit in Australia, they know it's large, but the interest rate that they get here and the return out of the stockmarket is certainly enough to compensate for that risk," Mr Jolly said.

"But when they look at the US they see a structural problem and a cyclical weakness. And when you add those two together it doesn't look great from a currency perspective."

The chief strategist at FxMax, Clifford Bennett, said international investors had shifted their sights away from the US.

"Global portfolio managers aware of the steady decline of the US dollar look elsewhere to invest, which means less investment capital for the US, a lower US dollar, and further reluctance among funds to invest there. "This spiral is only just beginning and it is likely to take the US dollar to far lower levels than anyone imagines," Mr Bennett said.

Asian central banks shifting assets out of US dollar bonds pose another risk.

An adviser to Japan's Prime Minister this week said that Japan, the largest overseas holder of US treasury bonds, should spread $US700 billion among other assets such as euros, Australian dollars and emerging-market currencies.

But Westpac's chief currency strategist, Robert Rennie, said any shift out of US dollar assets would be slow. "Managers of reserve assets are traditionally glacial in shifting assets."
 

mexiblunt

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Yup, looks like China is going to defeat us without firing a shot!
That's how it goes. I kinda like our canadian dollar being alot closer to the U.S living near the border I can just jump across and buy cheap stuff. Haven't seen it this close since I was a kid. I'm almost 30 now. I've always looked at the U.S superpower status as the bully or super obnxious kid in school. I never let him get to me, Just gave him enough rope to hang himself. Then someone would come along and slap the shit out of him. Welcome to the real world. There's alot of responsibility involved with being #1 I think that's the 1 thing the U.S is lacking or lost all together. Just my 2 cents, almost worth as much as yours, but still nothing.
 

LocoMonkey

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The US needs to have its dollar mean something again. It should be backed by precious metals like gold and silver.
 

Smirgen

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LocoMonkey
The US needs to have its dollar mean something again. It should be backed by precious metals like gold and silver.
That sounds like something Ron Paul would say.....Actually I think he did .
 

ViRedd

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Wait a minute. Except for industrial gold and dental gold, all the gold that ever was is still in existance. I mean, who in Hell ever throws gold away? *lol*

So, you peg the dollar to gold and/or silver and inflation stops. Why does it stop? Because the only way to produce another dollar would be to dig more gold and/or silver out of the ground. In other words, the government printing presses would grind to a halt.

Vi
 

Dankdude

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There isn't that Much Gold in the World, unless you count what's in Museums and they sure as hell aren't going to give that up.
 

Token

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A rise in inflation then would lead to depression/surrplus in goods and not enough money to support the nation.
 

medicineman

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Wouldn't it be funny if someone knew where the Inca gold was stashed, ~LOL~. It has a curse on it, but there is more Inca gold stashed than exists in the world today! Remind me sometime to tell this story, well maybe not.
 

ViRedd

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So, instead of an ounce of gold being worth twenty dollars like it was in 1920, you make it worth six hundred an ounce. So a twenty-dollar bill would be backed by 0.03 of an ounce of gold. There's plenty of precious metal to back the nation's money. The well kept secret of the statists is ... we have socialized money, thanks to FDR and the Federal Reserve bankers.

Vi
 

medicineman

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So, instead of an ounce of gold being worth twenty dollars like it was in 1920, you make it worth six hundred an ounce. So a twenty-dollar bill would be backed by 0.03 of an ounce of gold. There's plenty of precious metal to back the nation's money. The well kept secret of the statists is ... we have socialized money, thanks to FDR and the Federal Reserve bankers.

Vi
Jeeze, It's so good to see you're an economist now, been taking night mclasses, Eh?
 

ViRedd

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Jeeze, It's so good to see you're an economist now, been taking night mclasses, Eh?
I've read a book or three on the subject. If you can get ahold of it, and you may not because its out of print now, you might find Ron Paul's "The Money Book" to be very interesting.

Vi
 

ben350n

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you can thank the federal reserve for most of this. the dollar goes down as they devalue the dollar more and more by just printing money out of thin air for wall street, and the price of gold and silver goes up. coincidence? i think not
 

TheBrutalTruth

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Wait a minute. Except for industrial gold and dental gold, all the gold that ever was is still in existance. I mean, who in Hell ever throws gold away? *lol*

So, you peg the dollar to gold and/or silver and inflation stops. Why does it stop? Because the only way to produce another dollar would be to dig more gold and/or silver out of the ground. In other words, the government printing presses would grind to a halt.

Vi
Actually I like Poe's plan better, instead of going through the hassle of tieing the dollar directly to gold again have the Fed stabilize the dollar at $500/troy oz of gold.

Better solution, because it is much easier to attain.

Of course, neither solution is viable until the Federal Government is no longer operating at a deficit. If we are going to operate at a deficit we might as well let the dollar decline so our loans amortize themselves out over time. Of course, we'd actually need to stop our deficit spending completely for this to work at all.

Though, imo, what's really fucked up is while the private sector is stressing out about their jobs the public sector doesn't have to worry about their jobs, because government isn't about to lte a little recession force it to tighten its belt.
 

ben350n

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i'm just saying that gold shouldn't be taxed as a commodity and become a legal currency. we can slowly transition from there to a gold standard, ie a gold backed dollar you are talking about. there is plenty of gold in the world, and it is more stable than the dollar by far, (just hit $900/oz as a commodity). us dollars aren't taxable, and the fed can just print more and more out of thin air. but gold is a commodity :wall:

iow i pretty much agree with you just a little different :mrgreen:
 

Bongulator

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If you like gold, buy some. Nothing's stopping anyone from loading up on gold. Then you don't have to worry about whether the dollar is or isn't backed by gold, because you'll have the ACTUAL GOLD. But I'd buy silver instead; seems like there's more upside with silver in this market.

I kinda like our dollar not being tied to anything other than the strength of our economy. As our economy weakens, and our dollar loses value, that makes our exports cheaper, more people around the world buy our shit, and our economy improves and the dollar strengthens. And vice versa. It's a self-regulating system, which you would not have if the dollar was pegged to gold. The gold standard worked okay when we were primarily a one-country economy, but in a global economy the gold standard would harm us.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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If you like gold, buy some. Nothing's stopping anyone from loading up on gold. Then you don't have to worry about whether the dollar is or isn't backed by gold, because you'll have the ACTUAL GOLD. But I'd buy silver instead; seems like there's more upside with silver in this market.

I kinda like our dollar not being tied to anything other than the strength of our economy. As our economy weakens, and our dollar loses value, that makes our exports cheaper, more people around the world buy our shit, and our economy improves and the dollar strengthens. And vice versa. It's a self-regulating system, which you would not have if the dollar was pegged to gold. The gold standard worked okay when we were primarily a one-country economy, but in a global economy the gold standard would harm us.
Bong 2 months ago Silver was at $19/oz, it's now hovering in the $11 - $13 range (and Gold is bouncing around like there's no tomorrow)
 
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