Heisenberg
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Skepticism Test
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Padawanbater2
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ArcticGranite
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IDK, Life's harsh, no one survives it. Accept it for what it is. By that I mean, ID, good orderly direction, HP, may have set it up that way! I'd argue the opposite-because I'm intelligently designed I have the wherewithall to further scientific knowledge. I never bought the benevolent slant of it.
tyler.durden
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Both you and Neil be sportin' bad-ass shades. My first thought was, I didn't know Joe Jackson was so eloquent...
eye exaggerate
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...one thing I can say for sure is that a lot of people do not know what research is let alone be able to filter their lives with it. I guess you could say it's like asking someone to play bridge knowing that they've only learned how to play go fish 
^ note the shades
^ note the shades
Seedling
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An even bigger problem with the world today is that some people think that accepted scientific models are somehow reality. Can you believe there are actually people in this world that believe that time is relative?? What a bunch of whack jobs, eh?
Did I fail the test? More importantly, was the test constructed properly with no bias towards one belief over others?
Heisenberg
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You have each failed the test, although it looks like Pad disqualified himself. (prior knowledge)
This quote was teaching and testing you at the same time.
[video=youtube_share;PtyYlAH0f_M]http://youtu.be/PtyYlAH0f_M[/video]
"The made-up quote is about accepting fact when it’s reassured by a notable person, or suits preferred world views — regardless of whether it’s true."
"AHamWorker even prefaced the set-up by adding “Well said, Neil,” in the subtitle. The post was upvoted more than a thousand times, and quickly spread to Facebook, Pinterest, Tumblr and other social platforms. A Google search for a snippet of text even has quote-collecting sites inaccurately attributing Tyson as the source."
http://mashable.com/2012/10/23/fake-neil-degrasse-tyson-quote/
FYI I am not aware of any skeptic who saw through this, or even suspected... including myself.
This quote was teaching and testing you at the same time.
[video=youtube_share;PtyYlAH0f_M]http://youtu.be/PtyYlAH0f_M[/video]
"The made-up quote is about accepting fact when it’s reassured by a notable person, or suits preferred world views — regardless of whether it’s true."
"AHamWorker even prefaced the set-up by adding “Well said, Neil,” in the subtitle. The post was upvoted more than a thousand times, and quickly spread to Facebook, Pinterest, Tumblr and other social platforms. A Google search for a snippet of text even has quote-collecting sites inaccurately attributing Tyson as the source."
http://mashable.com/2012/10/23/fake-neil-degrasse-tyson-quote/
FYI I am not aware of any skeptic who saw through this, or even suspected... including myself.
Padawanbater2
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lol, indeed, I knew about it beforehand
But I'm not sure if that was a fair test to begin with
But I'm not sure if that was a fair test to begin with
tyler.durden
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Awesome lesson. By the by, RIU is cutting off a half the screen of posted videos, to get around this I make a line of characters below the video like so:
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As long as the characters are longer than the video screen, the full video screen will be shown. I choose to white-out these characters for a cleaner look. But, as Heis has shown us, don't take my word for it, verify this info for yourselves
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mindphuk
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Certain things by their very nature deserve more skepticism and doubt than others. As the converse is also true that given the huge amount of information we must filter daily, it is unjustified to expect to apply rigorous skepticism to everything we see and hear. It is foolhardy to expect skeptics to be skeptical about a quote that could reasonably be ascribed to NdGT based on what we know about him and things he has said historically. The implication that we should be fact checking every bit of information we process is unreasonable and stupid, IMO. And you can quote me on that!
cannabineer
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... there was a test? Dude wait what? cn
ArcticGranite
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I didn't fail or win, there is no loss or gain. I remain a skeptic. I didn't speak to that quote or it's authenticity. I referred to scientific knowledge being thwarted by the concept of intelligent design. Tyson's argued that. On the premise of benevolence. Perhaps there is a god and god is not benevolent or malign, just Is.
Seedling
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I agree with you. One would be in the nuthouse if one were to fact check every spec of detail of one's daily life. Just one detail could be analyzed from an infinite amount of angles, literally. We simply must take most things at face value.
kpmarine
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Please list a few documented situations in which intelligent design has "thwarted" science. On a side note, "thwarted" is an awesome word, people should utilize it more.
Heisenberg
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I agree in the context of this thread which is why I didn't let it go for long. The idea that NDT would say something like this is not suspicious at all. I think it does make a point about how easily false information can enter the collective consciousness, but I think the point applies to sharing the quote rather than merely processing it, and I am not sure it points to any failing of skepticism as much as personal vigilance. I expected it to spark a conversation about what skepticism is and when it applies, as it did on the rest of the web. I also recognized that the quote has made it's way into quote site databases, and that is all most of us use to validate any quote, which is reasonable for a discussion forum.
I shared this quote in this forum (before this thread) as well as Facebook and felt the fool when I saw the video, until I thought a bit about it. I think skepticism applies to claims, and reading a quote does not seem the same as reading a claim, though I suppose the implication is there. We see the NDT at the end as a credit, not as a claim. It is even less of a red flag that the quote itself made no claims but simply expressed a personal subjective opinion. I now feel I made a mistake in sharing it, but not that I was a fool. I think we can fall back on the extraordinary claims rule. If NDT was saying there is life on Mars, we wouldn't just accept it.
Heisenberg
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I originally read his post as pro-intelligent design, but I think he is saying that ID is a waste of resources that could be better used elsewhere.
kpmarine
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He still states "I referred to scientific knowledge being thwarted by the concept of intelligent design.", that's a pretty specific sentence. Even given the context.
Heisenberg
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True, we will have to wait for him to elaborate.
ganja man23
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can you provide evidence for this qupte please? i don't want to fail the test. those are nice glasses though this guy must definitely know his shit! he's like the obama of science, and we all know how great obama is he's the first fucking black president bitches!!
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ganja man23
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of course there is life on mars, if there wasn't who built those goddamn pyramids?
