Sick Girls 4

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Hello Gang, and thanks in advance for the help !!!

I'm growing in DWC using Dutch Master Nutrients A&B Original Grow, with Add+27, Zone, & Silica, this is complemented with DM Saturator & Liquid light 2x weekly.
I am keeping the buckets 150 less less than the recommendations of 1000 ppm's @ 850 ppm's. I have learned that it is better to be on the low side. The PH is kept between 5.7 -- 5.9 at all times.
My girls are Barney's Farm Critical Kush & 4-5 weeks old.
My water temp is running around 24C OR 75.2F a little high, hence the use of DM Zone.

The seeds were started together then placed, after the second set of leaves in a very small dwc setup 1/8 150 ppm's nutes for startups and clones, the Girls each are now in their own 5 gallon dwc setup, I noticed the problem before transferring them to their own dwc buckets it has now spread to 2 other plants.

I have searched many sites for things such as nutrient deficient plants & signs of problems, diseases, and plants with bug problems. After reading the different post and or stickys 2-3 times and more, I'm still unsure of what it is.

1. I am leaning towards a bug problem and will start using General Hydroponics's AzaMax today, I can see one very small area on a leaf that looks like something has been munching on it ?

2. Since PH affects how the nutrients are taken up into the plants I will start letting the PH swing from 5.3 to 6.3 before readjusting it.
( I previously kept pH 5.7 to 5.9 ? )

3. For the early vegetative growth I have been using compact fluorescents two or three inches above the plants, so I do not suspect heat burn.

4. The problem is affecting ( or starting with ) only the lower leaves so far.

5. I have been running one air stone per 5 gallon bucket the medium is Hydrotron ?

PLEASE CHECK IN AND GIVE ME YOUR VALUED OPINIONS.

Thanks Again:blsmoke:
 

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chairroller said:
Download this ! And compare it closely to your leaves !
Pay Attention to don't mess up !
http://www.growweedeasy.com/marijuana-symptoms here you find the cure ! Cheers :leaf:
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That was a really helpful post ! I'll be paying attention ! For sure !

On your path to becoming an Agricultural Engineer, as you claim to be ! were you not instructed in the use of the "period" ! Or was ending every sentence with an exclamation point encouraged ! To get your point across? ! And stimulate the emotions of those who read your posts !
 
RIKNSTEIN

RIKNSTEIN

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WOW...smaller font please...I didn't read it for that reason :wall: but I love pics :bigjoint:...and I don't do hydro, but it looks like you have a cal mag issue and overall it looks hungry...other than that it looks good :clap:
 
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chairroller said:
View attachment 2876676View attachment 2876677Download this ! And compare it closely to your leaves !
Pay Attention to don't mess up !
http://www.growweedeasy.com/marijuana-symptoms here you find the cure ! Cheers :leaf:
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Man I haven't seen those charts since I was a noob :dunce: they don't really help unless you know what to look for in the first place. So if you actually know something :cuss: give OP your 2 cents and quit posting useless drivel, we're here to help each other not confuse them more :wall:
 
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Mr.Buds

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Cal-mag def is a problem, but your main issue is lack of boron. But in order to lack boron your cal mag has to be out lacking or locked out. I would also say 850'is a little high in PPM is you started from seed. And those root temps need to go down. Purchase a water chiller if you're going to be DWC growing for a while. I keep my temp at 68 deg. I'm in 4th week of flower and steady my PPM at 1200. The heat in your buckets can give the roots a hard time trying to absorb the nutes. I would flush with some zone and PH water at 5.5 for 12 hours, empty Rez. And mix a new solution at around 600 and see what happens.

has it spread to new growth?
 
moveme

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Thanks to all for the responses so far, and sorry about the large fonts.

Thanks Rikstein for your response, I thought the same thing, but could not have said it better. I think some people post just for just for the sake of adding to the number of their post.

Now to answer the questions:

1. The roots are snow white, as for the temps being high 75, I grow in a closet in my garage, the outside temps are not cooperating with me. Usually during this time of the year it is a little cooler here so I have not previously had the temp problem. I read that the DM Zone would help with with high temps and stressed roots so I started using it the second week of grow (probably just snake oil). Also that is why I'm running the compact fluorescents, and not the HPS. I did put a couple of water bottles in the freezer this morning to drop into the buckets when frozen.

2. Yes the plants are 4 weeks old, I started out with 1/4 strength nutes using Dutch Master products and have increased it weekly with each change.

3. If I'm following the DM nutrient schedule how can I have a deficiency? (I do have much to learn)

4. The problem is affecting only the older and lower fan leaves at this time, not affecting the new growth?

5. Should I start pulling the affected leaves off the plants?

I will give the water bottles and the pH swing a week, if that does not work I will proceed as directed by MR. BUDS earlier post, ref. Cal-mag and Boron.

Are there any other suggestions?

A big thanks to all.
 
chairroller

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RIKNSTEIN They still useful though ! I was a bit overstoned last time so I couldn't even identify the illness ! Sorry but I'm not always as helpful as needed ! But I do my best ! Cheers :bigjoint: ! And, people plz , either help others without stupid thoughts and posts, or get the F out of here !

 
RIKNSTEIN

RIKNSTEIN

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moveme said:
Thanks to all for the responses so far, and sorry about the large fonts.

Thanks Rikstein for your response, I thought the same thing, but could not have said it better. I think some people post just for just for the sake of adding to the number of their post.

Now to answer the questions:

1. The roots are snow white, as for the temps being high 75, I grow in a closet in my garage, the outside temps are not cooperating with me. Usually during this time of the year it is a little cooler here so I have not previously had the temp problem. I read that the DM Zone would help with with high temps and stressed roots so I started using it the second week of grow (probably just snake oil). Also that is why I'm running the compact fluorescents, and not the HPS. I did put a couple of water bottles in the freezer this morning to drop into the buckets when frozen.

2. Yes the plants are 4 weeks old, I started out with 1/4 strength nutes using Dutch Master products and have increased it weekly with each change.

3. If I'm following the DM nutrient schedule how can I have a deficiency? (I do have much to learn)

4. The problem is affecting only the older and lower fan leaves at this time, not affecting the new growth?

5. Should I start pulling the affected leaves off the plants?

I will give the water bottles and the pH swing a week, if that does not work I will proceed as directed by MR. BUDS earlier post, ref. Cal-mag and Boron.

Are there any other suggestions?

A big thanks to all.
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Well I've never used DM products...but I have a strain of Blue Rhino (in supersoil) and the lil bitches will literally get mad if I try to "just" water them, so all I do is feed them constantly with about double strength nutes (in flower) and they are lovin' it...so it depends on the strain your running, and since I've never run the barneys critical kush, I couldn't say...but if it looks hungry...feed it more :bigjoint:...good luck man, and we're always here to help bro...
 
RIKNSTEIN

RIKNSTEIN

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chairroller said:
RIKNSTEIN They still useful though ! I was a bit overstoned last time so I couldn't even identify the illness ! Sorry but I'm not always as helpful as needed ! But I do my best ! Cheers :bigjoint: ! And, people plz , either help others without stupid thoughts and posts, or get the F out of here !
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That's just a myth...over stoned...lmao...hey I gota ask cuz I've seen you post alot of stuff and it looks like a copy and paste job from another site...do you have any plant pics of something you've grown??? I'm just wondering cuz we get alot of trolls here at RIU, and I am part of the troll defense network that tries to weed trolls out of this forum (and we have some fun giving the trolls shit...lol)...not sayin you are, cuz this post seems pretty pleasant, but we encourage noobs to try and guess what's going on, it helps them gain knowledge and confidence for their future grows...
and as far as pics go...here's my last grow...
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RIKNSTEIN

RIKNSTEIN

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xGrimace said:
Damn, was hopin this was one of them girls gone wild..
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Nope that's at my house...with my wife and her sis...hahahahaha...fuck it, they seem to tell everyone what's going on in our bedroom, I may as well say it too.....LOVE TRIANGLE!!!!:hump::hump::hump:
 
chairroller

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RIKNSTEIN said:
That's just a myth...over stoned...lmao...hey I gota ask cuz I've seen you post alot of stuff and it looks like a copy and paste job from another site...do you have any plant pics of something you've grown??? I'm just wondering cuz we get alot of trolls here at RIU, and I am part of the troll defense network that tries to weed trolls out of this forum (and we have some fun giving the trolls shit...lol)...not sayin you are, cuz this post seems pretty pleasant, but we encourage noobs to try and guess what's going on, it helps them gain knowledge and confidence for their future grows...
and as far as pics go...here's my last grow...
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These look Awesome ! Imma take some pix once I move to my new place ! This is my first time in a forum and you can see from the signature down here where i'm from ! Once I'm in safe place, imma make my little daily journal about these babies !
 
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Mr.Buds

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moveme said:
Thanks to all for the responses so far, and sorry about the large fonts.

Thanks Rikstein for your response, I thought the same thing, but could not have said it better. I think some people post just for just for the sake of adding to the number of their post.

Now to answer the questions:

1. The roots are snow white, as for the temps being high 75, I grow in a closet in my garage, the outside temps are not cooperating with me. Usually during this time of the year it is a little cooler here so I have not previously had the temp problem. I read that the DM Zone would help with with high temps and stressed roots so I started using it the second week of grow (probably just snake oil). Also that is why I'm running the compact fluorescents, and not the HPS. I did put a couple of water bottles in the freezer this morning to drop into the buckets when frozen.

2. Yes the plants are 4 weeks old, I started out with 1/4 strength nutes using Dutch Master products and have increased it weekly with each change.

3. If I'm following the DM nutrient schedule how can I have a deficiency? (I do have much to learn)

4. The problem is affecting only the older and lower fan leaves at this time, not affecting the new growth?

5. Should I start pulling the affected leaves off the plants?

I will give the water bottles and the pH swing a week, if that does not work I will proceed as directed by MR. BUDS earlier post, ref. Cal-mag and Boron.

Are there any other suggestions?

A big thanks to all.
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i would hever never feed your solution what is recommended on the bottle. Try and read your plant and how it reacts to your PPM level vs bottle instructions. I have 8 Undercurrent DWC 5gal buckets and PH is at 5.6 - 5.8, I would change you PH back to at least 5.6, you're going to lock out/or make it very stressful for your roots to uptake.
 
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RIKNSTEIN said:
Man I haven't seen those charts since I was a noob :dunce: they don't really help unless you know what to look for in the first place. So if you actually know something :cuss: give OP your 2 cents and quit posting useless drivel, we're here to help each other not confuse them more :wall:
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I agree. Those charts suck and cause more confusion then they do help.
 
moveme

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It has been a week since I started this post. Since then I have taken the advice given by my those who were good enough to respond, I also did additional reading on the subject, in this site as well as others. Because of your informed responses I was better able to look for and find what I needed to read. That is what being a community is all about.

1. I changed out the reservoirs with new dechlorinated water and new DM nutes A&B, Add+27, Silica , as well as their Zone for water temps.
2. I am now keeping the Ph between 5.7 and 6.5, starting @5.7 after 3 - 4 days it drifts to 6.5 at that time I add just enough Ph down to bring it back down to 5.7 I have only had to do this once so far, is this correct?
3. The ppm's were set at 900 using the same DM products very little fluctuation about a quart of water uptake daily. The girls did stop growing for a couple days, they are now growing again. ( I would believe that this is not out of the ordinary, please correct me if it is.) ?
4. The temperatures outside are now in the fourty's at night and sixty five during the daytime. The temp in the garage where my grow cabinet is drops to around sixty during the same time. The temp in the closet runs from 64 lights off to 83 degrees during lights on.
5. I am still having water temp problems, the temp in the DWC buckets ranges from 68 early am to 74 degrees in the late evenings. I did wrap the buckets with insulation, tomorrow I will put an additional layer of insulation around them and another layer on the top of the buckets. I will also go back to the water bottles tomorrow to help keep them cooler.
6. I am now running my 400 watt HD light my area is 2.2 x 3.5 x 6.5 high, I had been running only compact fluorescents due to the above average outside temps.

Looking forward to your responses,

Thanks Again
 
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