Shrooms

Hows about we test alcohol against these criteria? Produced by a natural organism, in our bodies and in fruit. Although these oraganisms never come together on a mass scale and neither does its food source.

Natural or synthetic?

alcohol happens in nature, fruit can ferment on the vine.. although very rare, still completely possible with nature alone.

its all natural to me, even if we made it. were natural after all, honey is made by bees and its natural...

See I contend differently. While I do think your right, its all nature, for the purposes of this conversation I think distinct comparisons are very necessary.

While I know that fruit and other species produce alcohol(EtOH), there is even a nebula largely comprised of ethanol, but it is generally in small quantities at a time. Besides yeast seems more like a reagent than an organism when isolated.

Using your example, what if the bees are farmed? Is it still natural? Sure technically it comes from the real source, but it seems its similar in activity to the alcohol question I posed. Is that really natural?

I don't care, I love honey, liquor, and LSD all the same. Its more of an inquisitive response.

I don't drink at all, but I would probably view it as a non synthetic as it does actually occur in nature sometimes.

But molecules akin to LSD "occur in nature" as Crypt pointed out.

And what about every tryptamine and phenethylamine, almost everyone of them is some how representable in nature. Even some compounds that have never before been observed in nature can be produced by natural phenomena. Like the psilocybe mycelia's seeming ability to hydroxylate the four position of any tryptamine regardless of prior substitutions. I am sure more examples can be rummaged up.

ok so what is the distinction or is it actually an artificial construct formed by those who feel the need to draw boundaries for themselves.

One could approach the practice of taking drugs as taking all drugs indiscriminately. In that case everything from Heroin to DXM to the most exotic RC to meth are all acceptable because in one way or another - the physiology (is that the right word?) or the mechanism by which a chemical changes one's state of consciousness is always... natural. On the other hand, someone could create limits for themselves based on mode of ingestion.

Eating something is the most natural, followed by snorting something but injection is far from natural - as, curiously enough, is smoking. How natural is setting fire to something and breathing the smoke? Or fumes for that matter. That is a reason I get a kick out of marijuana purists who turn their nose up at those who hook down a pill while they set fire to something and blast it down their lungs.

Or they can create what seems to me to be an arbitrary limit of "natural". Cocaine be it chewed as a leaf or extracted into a powder is the same substance. That makes all forms of cannabis pretty much the same, and of course opium, all the way to morphine is perfectly natural as well.

I know people who draw the line at concentrates of any sort. They seem to have a point. Often the chemicals in the matrix of the substance mollify the effects or make the substance less likely to be abused. Is beer better than vodka? Coca better than cocaine? opium better than morphine? Pot better than hash?


The thing is that I enc outer some of the sanctimonious who believe they are "being fair to their bodies" by making what is clearly a completely arbitrary choice of "natural" or "synthetic".

if it grows out of the ground and can be induced straight away its NATURul, if some dude fed with it in a lab in any way then its synthetic. anyone with common sense should see that weed and shrooms are the only true natural

Don't forget cactus!!!!!!!!!!! You must never forget the cactus!

yup, mescaline worked wonders for me ^_^

woobystein said:

Don't forget cactus!!!!!!!!!!! You must never forget the cactus!

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That needs to be a qoute

And I was debating one last visit with Mary J before I had to go lol, oh damn choices

rollin in grass said:

if it grows out of the ground and can be induced straight away its NATURul, if some dude fed with it in a lab in any way then its synthetic. anyone with common sense should see that weed and shrooms are the only true natural

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As I said, add opium to that, and cactus. Now what is synthetic about extraction?

rollin in grass said:

if it grows out of the ground and can be induced straight away its NATURul, if some dude fed with it in a lab in any way then its synthetic. anyone with common sense should see that weed and shrooms are the only true natural

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common sense you may be lacking sir..... other natural drugs include: bhrw, kratom, opium, kava kava, coleus, coca leaves, cacti, cocao, salvia, and does the 5meo dmt from frogs count? imma say yes..

DarthD3vl said:

common sense you may be lacking sir..... other natural drugs include: bhrw, kratom, opium, kava kava, coleus, coca leaves, cacti, cocao, salvia, and does the 5meo dmt from frogs count? imma say yes..

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all of those ARE natural, but as with the coca leaf, you have to do something that wouldn't happen naturally in nature to make it into cocaine. and thats what i mean by synthetic.

Derple said:

all of those ARE natural, but as with the coca leaf, you have to do something that wouldn't happen naturally in nature to make it into cocaine. and thats what i mean by synthetic.

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So you don't believe in chocolate then? Cocoa butter is extracted from a roasted bean, then in the dutch method, the butter is treated with "chemicals".

Taking cocaine from the leaf is a very simple extraction, nothing synthetic about it. but as I said, how natural is sparking up a weed and inhaling the smoke?

not exactly natural, but we're talking about the substance not the method of use . . .

but technically sparking up weed isn't "synthetic" as such, but I'm not overly fussy about weed

Derple said:

not exactly natural, but we're talking about the substance not the method of use . . .

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Canndo is right! What your trying to defend is your own principal which has no scientific sense! Extraction doesn`t change the compound, it just filters it out of the other plant matter. How naturalist do you want to be, are mortar&pestle`s allowed? If you want to be straightforward, say you only ingest plants lol

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common sense you may be lacking sir..... other natural drugs include: bhrw, kratom, opium, kava kava, coleus, coca leaves, cacti, cocao, salvia, and does the 5meo dmt from frogs count? imma say yes..

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oh yeah im definately gonna get coca leaves and eat them and get high right away, yeah and salvia just really grows out of the ground, and gonna go to the desert and eat cactus and get sooo zooted, did I mention I was gonna eat raw untampered opium and die