Show Me What You Got LST?

I figured that part out, that will help others though. Thanks again

I do feed mostly with tea's when I do feed, and I usually do not pH my tea's. I let the microbes do all the work. If my pH in the run-off is getting low, I will feed with a bacterial dominant tea. If my pH is starting to rise too much, I feed with a fungal based tea. When in check I try to give a balanced tea with just a bit more fungi in it. Why? because fungi takes a little longer to populate and grow compared to bacteria, so I try to give the fungi a head start in a way. Fungi lowers the pH and bacteria raises the pH through their feeding and nutrient waste product. That is what I have learned from reading the book "Teaming with Microbes" and lots ofthreads on different forums.

That's just the way I am approaching things for now. With addition of any technique or other ways that I feel that may enhance in a more natural way. Been reading Mike Rize's thread on veganics, haven't finished yet, but great info there if you are into plant based extracts for your plants food source. I've gained quit a bit of insight so far with what I have read. I do lots of reading everyday, through knowledge comes wisdom, and knowledge is gained through reading and learning as well as hands on with lots of mistaked.

Mistakes.


Have a nice day farmers

bekindbud said:

Thanks but I forgot one thing.....I pH my nutes after I mix them all together to 6.5

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Who here besides me uses organic nutes and never pH adjusts so glad I don't have to deal with all that testing and adjusting all the time

oops looks like someone got to this before me

Been experimenting with new soils (finally found a good mix). In short, fuck Fox Farm and their overpriced "hippie dirt". That's why these plants have some rough edges on them. I also went overboard with some foliar epsom spray and burned some leaves pretty good. Fuck it, you'll never learn anything if you don't screw up once in a while right?

Lighting is 8500 lumens T5 (mixed spectrum) per sq. ft.

Peace.

Sweet bathroom crop you got there, Sunshine Closet!

I was wondering has anyone used Bonsai Training Wire for their LSTs? While tying down my branches the other day, I thought of my grandfather who did Bonsai practically his whole life. He used several different gauges that when bent and stressed, created heat which in turn made them less malleable and bendable.

treedoctor said:

Sweet bathroom crop you got there, Sunshine Closet!

I was wondering has anyone used Bonsai Training Wire for their LSTs? While tying down my branches the other day, I thought of my grandfather who did Bonsai practically his whole life. He used several different gauges that when bent and stressed, created heat which in turn made them less malleable and bendable.

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ive used pcs of coat hanger n tied the limbs to it. fairley easy to do n cheap as in free lol. ive got a ton of them around the house and find all kinds of uses for them.

4tatude said:

ive used pcs of coat hanger n tied the limbs to it. fairley easy to do n cheap as in free lol. ive got a ton of them around the house and find all kinds of uses for them.

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Yup! I have them laying around too. They're sturdy and thin. When you use them as stakes you don't have to worry about breaking roots.

treedoctor said:

Yup! I have them laying around too. They're sturdy and thin. When you use them as stakes you don't have to worry about breaking roots.

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im using some on a bucket grow dwc for support as i was running aero n was only in 2in net pot, nothing to support. bent, arranged, n taped to the lid, works great!! when i started tieing down the hanger brace held very solid. vary versatile material to work with.

humm thought you could see it in this pic but i cant, anyway its there n you can see the stress i put on those limbs to get the shape i wanted

jdizzle22 said:

Who here besides me uses organic nutes and never pH adjusts so glad I don't have to deal with all that testing and adjusting all the time

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I use organic nutrients and still PH adjust. Why not adjust it? It takes about 10 seconds to do and that way you know you're doing it right. I just use one of those cheesy aquarium kits with the drops and vial. They're only about 5 bucks and last forever. Besides, my tap water is well over 8 (it's BRIGHT blue when I tested it and above what the chart that comes with the kit registers). I'm not crazy about putting water with 8+ PH on these plants.

Having said that, I've found that fluctuating PH is much worse for a plant than a consistently "bad" PH level. Clearly some strains will do better with a correct PH of 6.5, but again, I believe that consistency is more important than anything. If you have a seedling and put straight tap water on it from the beginning, I'd bet that it would more often than not do just fine. On the other hand, take that same plant that's a month into veg and used to that high PH tap water, and THEN start putting 6.5 water on it, you'll probably do more harm than good. This is only my opinion and what I've observed. Besides, they call it weed for a reason. It's not like all these big commercial nurseries are giving PH'd water. And their plants look great. Usually anyway. The local nursery I go to has some crazy nice plants. Not like Lowes where half the shit is dead. The problem at Lowes/Home Depot is that those dumbasses are overwatering everything. Jesus, get a broom already. The plants are wet enough...

Do I think everything I do for these plants is absolutely necessary? Probably not. But I enjoy doing it, and why not?

Sunshine Closet said:

I use organic nutrients and still PH adjust. Why not adjust it? It takes about 10 seconds to do and that way you know you're doing it right. I just use one of those cheesy aquarium kits with the drops and vial. They're only about 5 bucks and last forever. Besides, my tap water is well over 8 (it's BRIGHT blue when I tested it and above what the chart that comes with the kit registers). I'm not crazy about putting water with 8+ PH on these plants.

Having said that, I've found that fluctuating PH is much worse for a plant than a consistently "bad" PH level. Clearly some strains will do better with a correct PH of 6.5, but again, I believe that consistency is more important than anything. If you have a seedling and put straight tap water on it from the beginning, I'd bet that it would more often than not do just fine. On the other hand, take that same plant that's a month into veg and used to that high PH tap water, and THEN start putting 6.5 water on it, you'll probably do more harm than good. This is only my opinion and what I've observed. Besides, they call it weed for a reason. It's not like all these big commercial nurseries are giving PH'd water. And their plants look great. Usually anyway. The local nursery I go to has some crazy nice plants. Not like Lowes where half the shit is dead. The problem at Lowes/Home Depot is that those dumbasses are overwatering everything. Jesus, get a broom already. The plants are wet enough...

Do I think everything I do for these plants is absolutely necessary? Probably not. But I enjoy doing it, and why not?

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Why not adjust? Because I don't need to, and doing so usually adds things to the soil that will cause harm if not flushed after awhile and hurt micro life (which will keep the pH adjusted fine on their own and benefit the plant a lot, but with non organic nutes you might not be able to support enough micro life to get away without pH adjusting. The micro life helps keep the pH just right, my tap I think is 7.0 but that testing method you mentioned shows that after bubbling nutes for a day its still maybe 5.5 (but I think maybe its because of all the organic shit making the water much more wacky than a simple chemical compound, or all the shit messing with the color of the water test?). Every time I test my soil I get 6.5 pH for my soil pH tester, plants never seem to have an issue except getting too hungry because I'm not feeding enough sometimes

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outside lemon skunk lstd .. 3 months old

Day 16 of 12/12 in .8 gallon air pots under an LED that draws a total of 395w
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looks good jdizzle, i didnt see the dot in the .8 and i thought you said 8 gallons i was thinkig god dam, what type of plants are you growing indoors

Definitely does look good jdizzle! Can you tell us more about the LED you're using and the advantages/disadvantages you have had with it?

nycd 4 weeks veg currently...

streets said:

nycd 4 weeks veg currently...

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Those girls need Nitrogen.

treedoctor said:

Definitely does look good jdizzle! Can you tell us more about the LED you're using and the advantages/disadvantages you have had with it?

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Well one lesson I learned for sure was this: Its too good for freshly popped seedlings at 2ft, they grow without light burn, but after the first month they are half the size they should be because it was so easy for them to get light they didn't bother growing in size so much as every node everywhere at once. I found out the easy way to get around this was to keep them under some CFLs as seedlings for 5-7 days first (these plants were not small after a month). I think the issue was the seedlings getting to grow any energy leaves before going into uber node production, where as the 5-7 day CFL seedlings had some time to grow a few pairs so they had a better head start?

Its a 395w LED, 252 3w diodes putting off a total of 12 wavelengths along with 6 3w fans for cooling (so really its ~375w of 3w LED). The most important thing is that it doubled the 4 months of the year window I had to grow in, because of the heat outside and with a 400w HPS, now I can grow 8 months out of the year because it seems to put out = < 20% as much heat as my 400w HPS digital ballast system did.

Other advantages? Absolutely no heat is projected down onto plants, you have to be pretty sensitive to feel any warmth from the glass at 1-2in, and the glass itself is not warm enough to bother ANYONE ever. So I guess that means I could get the light pretty close, but I haven't gone closer than 1ft in flower (company said people got light burn at 8in, but claimed growers were doing it fine anyway). The plants do seem to like it better more, growing more nodes all over the fucking places, sooo many tops coming off of other tops growing off of branches on tops etc etc, Its actually enough of a problem that I don't think I will do LST anymore because its too much work, I have to settle for vertical or go full SCROG (which I really want to do with my 2 or 5 gallon air pots because this light would be amazing for it)

Sry things seem to get so messy with these damn pics!

PS: The largest air pots I have are the 5 gallons, but I haven't used anything bigger than a 2 yet (which I think needs 2 months of veg to fill, so a 5 could take a while and make a huge plant)
PSS: The one big thing that sets my LED apart from most is the bits between the diodes you see here, I forget what they are called, but basiaclly if 1 LED decides to die in several years or even tomorrow only itself will die instead of a bunch of others (as with most LED units, only a few companies do this now).
PSSS: for anyone wondering about the scatter pattern, sometimes when I leave the door or window to the tent open a little or the flap on the vents is moved into a certain position you get a cool effect with the light in the room. In this pic it was on a sheath for a machete and I thought it was really cool how you could see most of the different colors. I'll add some other ones for the artistic value haha

PSSSS: I'm pretty sure it puts out UV goodness (shitloads of trichomes on flowered buds). And accourding to the company its supposed to be easy enough to switch out LEDs with this that I could do it (if I had the parts, but I don't think they sell them so you might have to find the company they get it from yourself)

How much was the thing and where did you get it.

ValleGrown said:

How much was the thing and where did you get it.

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It was $1100 from growledhydro. Its since been upgraded to the 500w model. They cost about $2.9-$3 per total watt, the other company I'd go for would be blackstar 3w panels at $1.9-$2. Magnum, Isis, and a couple others look good to.

PS: haha I really like your signature quote thingy at the bottom of your posts*

jdizzle22 said:

It was $1100 from growledhydro. Its since been upgraded to the 500w model. They cost about $2.9-$3 per total watt, the other company I'd go for would be blackstar 3w panels at $1.9-$2. Magnum, Isis, and a couple others look good to.

PS: haha I really like your signature quote thingy at the bottom of your posts*

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Holy Shit-ski $1100.....I guess with less heat means less watering cause it probably takes longer for the mediums to dry up some or am I completely wrong?

Peace

BKB