Should the US shed blood for Ukraine

Should the USA along with NATO defend Ukraine with troops.

  • Yes

    Votes: 40 40.4%

  • No

    Votes: 59 59.6%
  • Total voters
    99
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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mooray said:
then how exactly is it better to stay at home instead of help?
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I said those who want to involve disinterested others instead of themselves are in the wrong. If politicians want to go and fight a war, let them. That doesn't mean I have to, or you should if you disagree.

Besides, I don't ascribe to the collective mindset, of being a mindless obedient cannon fodder stooge, just because some Dick Cheney type wants to trade my blood for his money.

There's nobody in Ukraine that I know who I want to kill, why would I become a killer for a politician? They're fucking liars.

I'm not opposed to people aiding others who are beset upon by thugs. I work in that realm everyday right now. :)
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Fogdog said:
25% of the population of the USSR did time in Siberian camps. Imagine how that affects the psyche of the region. Not to mention Holodomor.

Effects of trauma on that scale persists through generations.

The US has no idea what going to war with Ukraine against Russia would be like or how it would end. Probably massive theft of military armaments. Not that that isn't happening already.
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It sounds like you are advocating for sensible peaceful options. I'm pleased you are not completely daft. Thank you.
 
K

K81.UK

Well-Known Member
It’s the planned expansion of the EU into former USSR countries that is the problem.

Coupled with NATO missile systems on Russian borders I understand their concern.

Thank god Russia didn’t interfere when USA and allies fucked Iraq over for no good reason.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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GrassBurner said:
I can only imagine the stress that would put on a person. Raising a family and owning a business here is stressful and difficult, imagine if the govt was robbing and threatening you on top of that :( I feel for the regular people caught up in this. But we've learned time and time again, foreign bombs and money can't fix a country.
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you weren't here for the trump administration?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
the leader of the Ukraine is a television personality?...wasn't aware of that.
i wasn't aware that wealthy thieves ran russia....well, that's not true, that's exactly who runs russia, from behind a puppet dictator who has installed himself in office until he decides to retire with his stolen billions.
russia is doing Ukraine a favor by threatening to invade them and depose their lawfully elected government? doesn't seem like much of a favor to me.
none of the rest of what you said is anything i've read, or heard...and i read many European news sources...not saying i am personally familiar with the situation, but news sources outside America do not confirm what you're telling me
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Sativied is closer to the truth about Ukraine than you are. Russia is headed by a gangster president and a mob of gangster oligarchs control it. It's nothing but a large kleptocracy. There are two states. The one everybody sees where rule of law is enforced but with exceptions. And the prerogative state that decides when to make exceptions to the law. Not that this should be news. That kind of double standard has been going on for at least a thousand years. It's just that the scale of corruption is so large that it affects people all over the world. It even affects housing costs in US cities.
 
Jimdamick

Jimdamick

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Read this shit, especially the last paragraph
Russian State Media’s Big, Bizarre ‘Thank You!’ to Tucker Carlson and Josh Hawley (thedailybeast.com)
What the fuck?
Nothing, not voting rights, not going along with COVID recommendations, refusing to accept a womans right for control over her own body, going along with Trumps insane accusations of a stolen election, supporting those asshole truckers in Canada, in other words every fucking thing, no matter what, they are against it if a Dem is associated with it
And people wonder why we're so divided?
Jesus fucking Christ,
It sure as shit isn't the Dems.
Take a guess who

 
BudmanTX

BudmanTX

Well-Known Member
Roger A. Shrubber said:
the leader of the Ukraine is a television personality?...wasn't aware of that.
i wasn't aware that wealthy thieves ran russia....well, that's not true, that's exactly who runs russia, from behind a puppet dictator who has installed himself in office until he decides to retire with his stolen billions.
russia is doing Ukraine a favor by threatening to invade them and depose their lawfully elected government? doesn't seem like much of a favor to me.
none of the rest of what you said is anything i've read, or heard...and i read many European news sources...not saying i am personally familiar with the situation, but news sources outside America do not confirm what you're telling me
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roger .....meet Victor....
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current he wears suits and ties now.....POS
and who runs Russia.....
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these ass hats, and that's just a fraction of them, most of them reside in the russian parliment though
 
BudmanTX

BudmanTX

Well-Known Member
Jimdamick said:
Read this shit, especially the last paragraph
Russian State Media’s Big, Bizarre ‘Thank You!’ to Tucker Carlson and Josh Hawley (thedailybeast.com)
What the fuck?
Nothing, not voting rights, not going along with COVID recommendations, refusing to accept a womans right for control over her own body, going along with Trumps insane accusations of a stolen election, supporting those asshole truckers in Canada, in other words every fucking thing, no matter what, they are against it if a Dem is associated with it
And people wonder why we're so divided?
Jesus fucking Christ,
It sure as shit isn't the Dems.
Take a guess who

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you can thank pucker carlson for that......
 
M

mooray

Well-Known Member
Rob Roy said:
I said those who want to involve disinterested others instead of themselves are in the wrong. If politicians want to go and fight a war, let them. That doesn't mean I have to, or you should if you disagree.

Besides, I don't ascribe to the collective mindset, of being a mindless obedient cannon fodder stooge, just because some Dick Cheney type wants to trade my blood for his money.

There's nobody in Ukraine that I know who I want to kill, why would I become a killer for a politician? They're fucking liars.

I'm not opposed to people aiding others who are beset upon by thugs. I work in that realm everyday right now. :)
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Well then maybe don't use our own shittness as some sort of excuse to stop others from doing shitty things, then somehow move the goalpost to conscription and being about you, though.......I probably should have known that russia invading Ukraine would somehow be about you, so that's my bad.
 
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