Should some leafage be pruned to let light penetrate canopy

I thought I already posted my insignificant proof in this thread too but perhaps I forgot. Hard to keep track of all these threads with UB posting such drivel on leaf removal. FYI I can grow at least 8 of these in the footprint UB uses for one of his plants like in his sig and others pics he posted in other threads . Funny how the style of growing I chose yields a good amount more then his yet he constantly attacks it...... Ignorance is bliss... Give a someone a little knowledge and they just run with it right off a cliff if they have to. Whatever. He grows well and its all he needs which is just fine. The style of growing I chose out produces his a good bit yet he continues to bash it since it just isnt scientifically plausible..... Annoying to say the least. When you are proven to be as wrong on a topic as he has it is just plain bull headed to continue to argue about it. Especially in a condescending way like he does in every single thread on this topic. Its like having a pitcher throw a 100 MPH fast ball and arguing that is just isn't possible while you are being shown the radar gun..... I'd say he has one of the biggest egos on this board ...

Anyway these Fruity Chronics averaged 30 grams per plant cut and dried at 4 per SQ foot. That is 120 grams per SQ foot. Yup removing those leaves sure killed my yields lol ... There is a time and place for leaf removal. Big plants no not really needed. Tight full SOG or SCROG and you have to do it in order to benifit from that particular style of growing IF you want a max yield.







Here is a tray at week 6 two weeks left to pack on. Not as high of yielding strain as the above but you get the idea. Every single fan leaf was removed from every single plant in these pics above and below by week 3 of bloom.

good grow, imagine the yield if you wouldnt have pruned

Unclejoe51 said:

When I put mine into flowering stage I always cut off all little branches on the lower part of the plant & all the big leaves. They look like skeletons when I'm done. I've found they go into bud quicker & grow bigger buds as well. I know some say that it stresses the plant but my results say otherwise. To each his own I guess.

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Bingo, this is exactly what I do. Any branches that can't receive light must go. Also allows air to flow thru your
Garden. Not growing leaves or real scrawny branches. It seems to work well. Just my stoned 2 cents

dlively11 said:

I thought I already posted my insignificant proof in this thread too but perhaps I forgot. Hard to keep track of all these threads with UB posting such drivel on leaf removal.

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What you call Uncle Ben's "drivel on leaf removal" are scientifically proven botanical facts. What you offer, regardless of pictures being provided, is your personally chosen belief, not scientifically proven facts like Uncle Ben's information, but instead and always only your personally chosen belief and nothing more.

No matter how many times you repeat your personally chosen belief and not matter how hard you attempt to push your personally chosen belief on others attempting to influence them it will never turn Uncle Ben's scientifically proven facts into being wrong or somehow magically and mystically transform your personally chosen belief into being scientifically proven fact.

Like it or not ... that is reality. If you prefer to live outside the bounds of reality that is cool and the gang with me but it is irresponsible of you to attempt to influence others into abandoning reality in favor of joining you in your own personally chosen belief that exists outside the bounds of reality.

This is too funny...

Brick Top said:

What you call Uncle Ben's "drivel on leaf removal" are scientifically proven botanical facts.......

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Hi BT. Some live their lives based on feelings not facts.

BTW, finally watched your recommendation, The Hangover. Gawd that was funny. Had to watch the ending a couple of times, it was hilarious! Good call.......

Tio

Unclejoe51 said:

When I put mine into flowering stage I always cut off all little branches on the lower part of the plant & all the big leaves. They look like skeletons when I'm done.

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I had to go back and see what I had missed. Now that one is hilarious!

Look at the Similar Posts section at the bottom of this page. Like I said, with every crop of noobs that don't (want to) understand botany......

It's a never ending debatable subject.

Pruning is just another technique growers use. No different than topping or LSTing.

Any quick search on the web will tell you the same--> http://www.concept420.com/marijuana_pruning_tips.htm
http://www.1stmarijuanagrowerspage.com/do-marijuana-fan-leaves-get-trimmed.html

Brick Top said:

What you call Uncle Ben's "drivel on leaf removal" are scientifically proven botanical facts. What you offer, regardless of pictures being provided, is your personally chosen belief, not scientifically proven facts like Uncle Ben's information, but instead and always only your personally chosen belief and nothing more.

No matter how many times you repeat your personally chosen belief and not matter how hard you attempt to push your personally chosen belief on others attempting to influence them it will never turn Uncle Ben's scientifically proven facts into being wrong or somehow magically and mystically transform your personally chosen belief into being scientifically proven fact.

Like it or not ... that is reality. If you prefer to live outside the bounds of reality that is cool and the gang with me but it is irresponsible of you to attempt to influence others into abandoning reality in favor of joining you in your own personally chosen belief that exists outside the bounds of reality.

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I dont know where to begin with this post so I'll make it quick and to the point. Pulling 3lbs plus per light is not a "belief" It is a FACT and has been on my grows for a solid year working with 7 lights. Trying to spin this so it works in your favor just makes you two look silly to most on this board. If your so called scientific facts applied to everything in regards to growing MJ my grows and others would not be capable of yielding half that. Lots of guys getting over 1 gram per watt removing leaves just like I do. If you two cant see the writing on the wall and want to try and twist FACTS/science around to feel better about yourselves that up to you. You guys are wrong, dead wrong about leaf removal in these types of grows. The way you guys try to twist all common sense/logic around one would think you were politicians =)

I should have said closed mindedness is bliss.... you think one two dimensional scientific fact applies to every aspect of growing which is why you two fail over and over and over. I think 99% of people reading these can see this. Said it before and I'll say it again, go grow a 4X4 table with 64 plants on it and see what kind of yields you get without removing leaves. Very simple way to prove yourself wrong. I have grown both ways many times and it is honestly laughable what you two keep repeating in these threads. You guys keep yapping about a method you have never done. I talk about it because I actually have real world experience. Depite all your attempts to sound clever you guys just keep coming across as closed minded and foolish.

dlively11 said:

I dont know where to begin with this post so I'll make it quick and to the point. Pulling 3lbs plus per light is not a "belief" It is a FACT

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It is evident that you fail to understand what a scientifically proven botanical fact is. Your belief is that just because you do accomplish what you do that it somehow is proof that it is the very best way to do things and that it disproves scientifically proven facts.

Facts are facts and beliefs are beliefs and the twain shall meet.

Its all in different "STYLES" and techniques of growing...to each his own is how i play it..Lollipopping makes the plant concentrate on certain MAIN colas..Packs on sum weight...but if you give the plant enough light and room you can come out with the same or better result with topping or LSt;whatever....all in what you prefer and your techniques...Either way you getting BUD!

Brick Top said:

It is evident that you fail to understand what a scientifically proven botanical fact is. Your belief is that just because you do accomplish what you do that it somehow is proof that it is the very best way to do things and that it disproves scientifically proven facts.

Facts are facts and beliefs are beliefs and the twain shall meet.

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lol yeah well you sure "proved" your point once again with the same regurgitated nonsense. case and point, I yield consistently more then your or UB doing something that should give me much lower yields. Ignore this FACT all you want but it remains a FACT. Obviously you two will forever think there is only one application for a scientifically proven fact and that will forever be your downfall. Sad but true. There is about 60 years experience between the two of you yet you just choose to yield a lot less ? Lol, okay ....... MANY people accomplish the same thing doing the same exact thing. Being so bullheaded about this wont make you right. You guys offer no evidence of your own just the same old "scientific botanical fact" over and over and over. Personally I listen to the people that keep winning the race not the loser that explains why they "should" have won.....

Odlaw.. I find your Avatar strangely disturbing.. Like, in a bad way..


Must be something from my childhood

FACT is once you do a full SOG , SCROG or simply growing under artificial light the simple botanical scientific facts obviously dont apply the same way anymore. You have a stationary light source and you have a very unnatural plant setup. Some people continue to ignore the FACT that plants need light and it is one of the most important FACTS for good bud development. ANYONE who thinks that a grow with four plants per square foot will not benefit from leaf removal clearly has never done it themselves. Even with massive leaf removal it is still hard to keep each plant in good light. Plants have to be trained perfectly. All the books your guys are referring to with all their botanical scientific facts simply do not take these factors into account, plain and simple. The authors of those books viewpoints would change dramatically if they did. Being open minded and willing to try other techniques will only help you grow better. Being closed minded and not being open to other techniques will give you the same old results over and over. Big surprise I know. Glad I decided to think for myself and try what many others have done before me.

To the latecomers to this so called "debate" every single HIGH yield grow uses one form or pruning or another. By high yield I am talking about 3+ lbs per light every 8 weeks. I have read every single high yielding thread I could find on this an every other site and EVERY single one that was yielding in the crazy high range of 1.5-1.9 grams per watt was pruning and removing leaves. Dont let the old timers and their old fashion views get in your way of achieving the same thing. ITs the same thing over and over from them. Someone posts about removing leaves and when guys like myself say it can work very very well if done correctly, they come in with their very Superior and condescending replies. I always come in trying to keep people open to the idea and dont knock it unless you have tried it. It is very offensive IMO how they come across in these threads. They are always the FIRST to name calling "noobs, beginners, inexperience" etc. I for one have been growing pot since the early 80s and have 5 very full years of indoor growing. I let my results dictate how I grow. I am sure some might be happy with half the yields I and other get but I want the max I can get for my given space.

So now you're at 7 lights and harvesting 448 plants every 2 months and getting 21 pounds every 2 months? Between all the cloning, maintenance, feeding, trimming and all the other good stuff that comes with growing 448 plants, where you do find all this time to educate everyone?

You're like a really bad spider mite infestation. Just won't go away and let people grow their stash.

Btw, having room to run 7 lights doesn't really make you limited on space.

Man, this is a rocksteady thread. Sorry I'm late to the party...but I digress...

All I have to say is that a plant that hasn't been pruned to shit is of much higher quality plant when compared to a plant that hasn't been.

OZUT said:

So now you're at 7 lights and harvesting 448 plants every 2 months and getting 21 pounds every 2 months? Between all the cloning, maintenance, feeding, trimming and all the other good stuff that comes with growing 448 plants, where you do find all this time to educate everyone?

You're like a really bad spider mite infestation. Just won't go away and let people grow their stash.

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You pretty much summed it up. Also you have it ass backwards. Bricktop and UB are the ones constantly busting into these threads ridiculing people who use this PROVEN technique. I simply defend this method nothing more. I have never once posted tying to brag but rather point out the error in their thinking and application of botanical science. I am helping those that are willing to listen. I figure if I can help save someone a few years to achieve similar results I am doing a good thing for the community. I choose to share my knowledge and dont appreicate these guys always talking down to me and others who utlize this advanced technique.

jewgrow said:

All I have to say is that a plant that hasn't been pruned to shit is of much higher quality plant when compared to a plant that hasn't been.

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More misinformation. My pruned plants have a much higher percentage of quality buds then unpruned plants ever do. Growing nothing but colas INCREASES quality not decrease. My pictures speak for themselves and theirs, what little they post, speak for themselves. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize which one is producing more and which one is going to have more solid buds instead of popcorn buds you get letting plants go wild under a HPS light.