should i transplant to bigger pot or wait

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ganjaboii024

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after watering last time my plants seemed wilted and at the end of the day got worse :cry: i decided to inspect my soil and found that it was dense, i quickly grabbed a long skinny piece of metal and kinda worked the soil a bit and gave my plants a second watering but added some H202 into the water and this morning after lights on they where happy as hell and so was i :weed:
i deff need to get some perlite but wat id like to know is should i take these babes out and transplant to soil with perlite now or wait till they fill up the pot a bit more b4 i do that, and are there any threads on here that explain how to transplant really well
how big should i let my plants get b4 a trasplant em'
you can check out all the pics in my grow journal https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/139458-first-grow-under-96-watt-4.html
 
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ganjaboii024

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ya, my plant was continuing to wilt and i didnt have a bigger pot or any perlite either and they where in bad shape, even the stems where bending....i popped the plants out of their pots and there where roots grown rele nice and dense at the bottom, i massaged the rootball to loosen it up a bit and took off all the loose soil onthe top and sides, put about a 1/2 inch of hydroton pellets at the bottom of the pot and then put in all the loose soil i had taken off, then popped the plant on that and packed the sides and top with more hydroton, at the end of the week i will have the bigger pots, perlite and more soil.
i dont have pics ATM seeing as i did this rite before lights out so ill take some pics in the morning once i wake up myself
please give me some input here
 
tyke1973

tyke1973

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watch the greenhouse lad they put plans even a foot tall in massive pots.Idon't see the point in swopping pots all the time bung em in a large pot from start take the advice of franco and arjon they know more about cannabis then we do.a good bit of advice is let your plants dry out compleatly then give em plenty of water this will make the rooy system spread searceing out water.my root sytems are always pearly white even through till plants are cut.
 
diemdepyro

diemdepyro

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tyke1973 said:
watch the greenhouse lad they put plans even a foot tall in massive pots.Idon't see the point in swopping pots all the time bung em in a large pot t.
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There is a point to swapping pots. The roots grow to the outside of the pot. Re potting allows the plant growth to be controlled while optimizing resources. The plant roots are in the outside 30% of the pot. After you harvest turn the pots over dump out the root ball and section it. You will see the roots grew to the outside of the pot.
 
tusseltussel

tusseltussel

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korvette1977 said:
The bigger the pot ,,, The bigger the plant ....
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very true but thats not the problem.... a root bound plant can finish out its cycle with no problems and healthy, root bound wont wilt a plant. your watering too much prolly. think about it you watered it wilted you added h202 it perked up



Over Watering
Roots require Oxygen to breathe and low levels are the main cause of almost all root diseases. Both soil and hydroponic plants often fall prey to the same syndrome although it is rarely recognized as what it really is. Hydroponic crops often fail due to "root rot" and soil crops succumb to "over watering." The real cause of both these problems is a shortage of Oxygen at the root zone. In a soil system the soil consists of particles, a film of water on the particles and air spaces between the particles. When too much water is put into the soil the air spaces fill with liquid. The roots will quickly use up what Oxygen is dissolved in the water, if they haven't drunk enough of the liquid to allow air back in to the soil spaces they will stop working. In this situation roots will start dying within twenty-four hours. As the roots die the plants ability to drink water and nutrients will decrease, this will cause symptoms of nutrient deficiencies (mostly pale, slow, weak growth), and strangely they will start to wilt like they don't have enough water. It is easy to make a fatal mistake at this point and add more water.

In a Hydroponic system the cause is a more direct simple lack of oxygen in the solution; this may be from inadequate circulation and/or aeration. High reservoir temperatures also interfere with Oxygen's ability to dissolve in the water. Temperatures above 70F (20C) will eventually cause problems, 62F-65F (16C-18C) is recommended. The same symptoms will appear as with soil plants but you can also check the roots. Healthy roots should be mostly white with maybe a slight yellowish tan tinge. If they are a brownish color with dead tips or they easily pull away there is at least the beginning of a serious problem. An organic, ‘dirt like’ rotting smell means there is already a very good chance it is too late. As roots die and rot they eat Oxygen out of the water, as Oxygen levels are even further depleted more roots die, a viscous circle may be well under way. Reduced Oxygen levels and high temperatures both encourage anaerobic bacteria and fungi. The plants may still be saved but you will have to work fast.

How Hydrogen Peroxide prevents root rot/over watering.
When plants are watered with H2O2 it will break down and release Oxygen into the area around the roots. This helps stop the Oxygen from being depleted in the water filled air spaces until air can get back into them. High Oxygen levels at the roots will encourage rapid healthy root growth. In a Hydroponic system H2O2 will disperse through out the system and raise Oxygen levels as it breaks down. Strong white healthy roots with lots of fuzzy new growth will be visible. This fuzzy growth has massive surface area allowing for rapid absorption of the huge amounts of water and nutrients needed for rapid top growth. A healthy plant starts with a healthy root system.
 
tusseltussel

tusseltussel

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tyke1973 said:
watch the greenhouse lad they put plans even a foot tall in massive pots.Idon't see the point in swopping pots all the time bung em in a large pot from start
Roots grow outward for stability, so they naturally collect at the edges of the container and leave much of the soil in the middle of the pot unused. This will cause slowed growth because the roots may restrict each other. Transplanting allows for a more efficient root mass, as the space in the middle of the final container will be used.

Allowing the roots to collect at the edges of your 1-gallon pot, will ensure a more efficient root mass when transplanting to a 3-gallon pot. Each time you transplant, you can also bury the plant up to the first node or branch to shorten it's overall height.



i usually go with the 5 gallon bucket. grow roots deep
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ganjaboii024

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tusseltussel said:
very true but thats not the problem.... a root bound plant can finish out its cycle with no problems and healthy, root bound wont wilt a plant. your watering too much prolly. think about it you watered it wilted you added h202 it perked up



Over Watering
Roots require Oxygen to breathe and low levels are the main cause of almost all root diseases. Both soil and hydroponic plants often fall prey to the same syndrome although it is rarely recognized as what it really is. Hydroponic crops often fail due to "root rot" and soil crops succumb to "over watering." The real cause of both these problems is a shortage of Oxygen at the root zone. In a soil system the soil consists of particles, a film of water on the particles and air spaces between the particles. When too much water is put into the soil the air spaces fill with liquid. The roots will quickly use up what Oxygen is dissolved in the water, if they haven't drunk enough of the liquid to allow air back in to the soil spaces they will stop working. In this situation roots will start dying within twenty-four hours. As the roots die the plants ability to drink water and nutrients will decrease, this will cause symptoms of nutrient deficiencies (mostly pale, slow, weak growth), and strangely they will start to wilt like they don't have enough water. It is easy to make a fatal mistake at this point and add more water.

In a Hydroponic system the cause is a more direct simple lack of oxygen in the solution; this may be from inadequate circulation and/or aeration. High reservoir temperatures also interfere with Oxygen's ability to dissolve in the water. Temperatures above 70F (20C) will eventually cause problems, 62F-65F (16C-18C) is recommended. The same symptoms will appear as with soil plants but you can also check the roots. Healthy roots should be mostly white with maybe a slight yellowish tan tinge. If they are a brownish color with dead tips or they easily pull away there is at least the beginning of a serious problem. An organic, ‘dirt like’ rotting smell means there is already a very good chance it is too late. As roots die and rot they eat Oxygen out of the water, as Oxygen levels are even further depleted more roots die, a viscous circle may be well under way. Reduced Oxygen levels and high temperatures both encourage anaerobic bacteria and fungi. The plants may still be saved but you will have to work fast.

How Hydrogen Peroxide prevents root rot/over watering.
When plants are watered with H2O2 it will break down and release Oxygen into the area around the roots. This helps stop the Oxygen from being depleted in the water filled air spaces until air can get back into them. High Oxygen levels at the roots will encourage rapid healthy root growth. In a Hydroponic system H2O2 will disperse through out the system and raise Oxygen levels as it breaks down. Strong white healthy roots with lots of fuzzy new growth will be visible. This fuzzy growth has massive surface area allowing for rapid absorption of the huge amounts of water and nutrients needed for rapid top growth. A healthy plant starts with a healthy root system.
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im definitely taking your over watering suggestion into consideration, it sounds about right and i did notice a lot of roots, nice and white i have to say, but a lot of them and when i was massaging the root ball i heard some crackling, i guess thats normal, i know its the roots ripping a bit but i heard it was good to massage the rooball to stimulate the roots, break up soil and get the roots to move into new soil. im going to wait at least another 2 days before i water, ill water with nutes since its been 2 waterings since i used nutes but i will put some h2o2 into the mix as well. they are looking better already, the new growth was all pulled up and tight on itself and the bottom leaves wilting, but now the new growth is looking normal and the bottom leaves and gaining back their strenghth :weed:

thanks for all the comments, check out my grow journal in a little while ill have some pics up, keep the comments and sugestions coming
 
freqazoidiac

freqazoidiac

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Howdy folks. !

I will be posting more about this experience in it's own thread.. i'll be calling it something to the effect of "jiffy pots can suck my..." well you get the idea..hahah..

I took the advice of a certain organic growing "guru" to use Jiffy pots when i planted my precious seedlings.

I grew from seed..and the sprouts took off and were really healthy.

now I'm just at the 5th week..just removed the small jiffy pot i started the seeds in.... and i think i caught a potential disaster JUST in time!
There was spots of a white type of fungus..like little dots.. in some of the jiffy pots.!!! This 'might' be beneficial..but i don't know enough..so i proceeded to spray the all root systems with a mild H202 spray.. and they visibly perked up while laying on the soil table..!! COOL.

I will write about that in my other thread..but have to say, most of my plants are relatively healthy, but don't look older than some people's 10 day plants! Pretty weird for (start of)5th week. I will be listing some other factors that have contributed to this slow growth.. check out "jiffy pots can suck my..." that will be my full post to ponder.


See..there are some who swear by these Jiffy pots..but they never post or write how to Prepare the jiffy's for herbal use. There must be a way! But obviously i didn't do it right! or maybe some jiffy pots are different, depending on the region you are in.?? The grower who recommended them..is in Amsterdam..i'm in Canada..so maybe thicker walls??

See the pic of the spots inside the old jiffy's. Scared the sheet outta me. The larger white Chunks are Perlites.



I did transplant...and all plants are now breathing and looking darker green again (started to get lite green, almost yellow on the lower leaves!) Now 24 hours later and they are commencing in growth!
God i'm lucky.. but i'm not breathing easy yet!

I will be posting pics of the plants and other details in the Post i spoke of earlier.

Letting you all know that I did not damage the roots peeling them away from some of those jiffy
pots. I did pre spray them as they clung, with H202 - Hydrogen peroxide.. 35% diluted to 1 part H202 and 20 parts water. This is pretty mild.
So i'm Happy none keeled over when I removed them.
They just seemed to breath a sigh of relief :D

 
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ganjaboii024

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my plants are still kinda wilted, i decided to do a test, i watered one of the plants with some h2o2 nute water and i left the other one sitting and gave it no water
 
tusseltussel

tusseltussel

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hope you didnt use organic nutes with h2o2, h202 eats your nutes thats why they say to wait before adding nutes to the water
 
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ganjaboii024

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its GH flora nova grow
but at the end of the day they both look prety much the same but its kinda looking like the one i watered is a bit more wilted so i guess ill wait more before watering the other one
ill have pics up tomorrow when lights are on
 
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ganjaboii024

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the plant i watered yesterday is now looking better so i watered the other, the third little one is coming along nicely, check out the pics, there isnt to much i can do at the moments for these little ones cuz i dont have the cash, hope it pulls thru, check out the pics on my journal
 
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ganjaboii024

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holy fu(&
my plants grew at a 90 degree angle into one of my cfl's, i put a set of cfl's into my growbox and one of my plants that was closer to the light ended up growing towards it and bent 90 degrees. wow. im amased, in like 5 hours
anyways, check out the journal for a pic and the full story
one thing id like to know is will this affect my plant?? and if so, how??
 
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