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Sorefinger

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Hi Guys,

I think I've made a new growers error.

In my first grow it went amazingly; only complaint was it had a tiny bit of nute burn. So as any idiot does I changed my method. Previously I had done it the proper way, used canna vega for vegging and Canna Flores for flowering song with PK13/14 and Canna boost with Bio Bizz soil (light mix but swapped to all mix at a months age).

In my second Grow I thought I'd try and solve the nute burn problem by going Organic. I didn't feed them for a month whilst in the light mix soil. I started adding Biobizz Bloom 50ML in 10Litres and the same with TopMax 2 weeks into flowering.
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Couple of weeks went by fine but Up above is the lockout I got when I mixed the PK13/14, didn't react well with the cookie kush. I flushed it and it seems fine.

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Up above is my Liberty Haze, it was doing ok but has struggled with nitrogen defiency which I steaded with Bio Bizz Grow but as you can see below it has a new problem.
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Calcium deficiency... I think

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I reacted by adding 50ML of Alg a Mic, 20Ml Bloom and 10Ml of Bio Grow.

Second week of January would be the earliest I could harvest. When you touch the plants they do smell good but I'm not sure what I should do? Is it even calcium deficiency? theres lots of white hairs with the odd orange ones.

Think I won't try and be smart next time. Any help you could offer would be massively appreciated
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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i think you should rethink your deficiency assumptions.
organic NPK you say?

I used that once in my first year, last time too, its still on the shelf. feed your soil, your plants know what they need, where to get it and when to eat.
 
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Sorefinger

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chemphlegm said:
i think you should rethink your deficiency assumptions.
organic NPK you say?

I used that once in my first year, last time too, its still on the shelf. feed your soil, your plants know what they need, where to get it and when to eat.
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I'm using Bio Bizz Grow - you don't think it's a deficiency problem?
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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how long have they been flowering? what strains? what light? what schedule?
if bio bizz is a complete nutrient system why would adding more nutrients help anything?
 
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Sorefinger

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They've been flowering for 57 days - under 600w Hps lights - no specific schedule (that's been my problem). I nievely thought the soil had nutrients (it doesn't)only started adding nutrients second week of flowering.

I only started using Bio Bizz bloom & topmax 50ml 10 litres a week - only started adding the Bio Grow 2 weeks ago when nitrogen deficiency was showing.
 
im4satori

im4satori

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im not sure if Im following what your dosing

for example from memory
if your using the biobizz grow only you would use roughly 10ml per gallon

I don't remember the dose for the bloom formula but im sure its not as high as what you said you are feeding
unless I misunderstood something

50ml for 10liters ...
that's only 2.5 gallons...
20ml per gallon?????? way to high

if you stick with the biobizz (I would) use ten mls per gallon.... if you see signs of def... up it to 12mls per gallon max
 
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radrolley

radrolley

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Are you letting your plants get dry before watering/feeding again?

As for feeding I always recommend starting at half the recommended normal dose. Like Fox Farm says, less is more. Personally, I like organic soil mixes and just adding water. Almost everything in a bottle is a waste of money imo. Not completely against them though, they do work. I have used them for years and still do a little for supplemental feeding when I brew worm casting tea. Organic soil mixes made everything so much easier for me though. Concentrated nutrients even so called organic ones are not as forgiving. You can't really fix the burn once it is already there but you can help ensure the new growth is better. When in doubt use only water when the soil is dry to the point of the plant almost drooping. 'Flushing' such as running tons of water through can cause lack of oxygen for the roots. Same as watering too often. The soil stays wet for way too long. Cannabis roots like lots of oxygen.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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57 days?????.....your strains are finishing, why are you still feeding nutrients? read the bottles aye:wall:
 
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Sorefinger

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im4satori said:
im not sure if Im following what your dosing

for example from memory
if your using the biobizz grow only you would use roughly 10ml per gallon

I don't remember the dose for the bloom formula but im sure its not as high as what you said you are feeding
unless I misunderstood something

50ml for 10liters ...
that's only 2.5 gallons...
20ml per gallon?????? way to high

if you stick with the biobizz (I would) use ten mls per gallon.... if you see signs of def... up it to 12mls per gallon max
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I think I've fucked up more then I think. I've been adding between 20-50ml Bio Bizz in 10 litres of water.

But On the bottle it says to use 1-5ml litre per 1litre of water
 
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Sorefinger

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radrolley said:
Are you letting your plants get dry before watering/feeding again?

As for feeding I always recommend starting at half the recommended normal dose. Like Fox Farm says, less is more. Personally, I like organic soil mixes and just adding water. Almost everything in a bottle is a waste of money imo. Not completely against them though, they do work. I have used them for years and still do a little for supplemental feeding when I brew worm casting tea. Organic soil mixes made everything so much easier for me though. Concentrated nutrients even so called organic ones are not as forgiving. You can't really fix the burn once it is already there but you can help ensure the new growth is better. When in doubt use only water when the soil is dry to the point of the plant almost drooping. 'Flushing' such as running tons of water through can cause lack of oxygen for the roots. Same as watering too often. The soil stays wet for way too long. Cannabis roots like lots of oxygen.
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I used to until the problems came, recently I've watered them lots of nutrients as I've been worried there deficient
 
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Sorefinger

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Fuck sake guys, I've just realised it's nute burn. I'm adding nutrients thinking it's deficiencies.

What would you suggest? Do a flush and feed them nothing til the end?
 
im4satori

im4satori

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Sorefinger said:
Fuck sake guys, I've just realised it's nute burn. I'm adding nutrients thinking it's deficiencies.

What would you suggest? Do a flush and feed them nothing til the end?
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you got it now
flush with ph'd water .... feed just water only until harvest... keep the ph in range
 
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Sorefinger

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Cheers guys! Can't believe I've been damaging them thinking I'm helping. Glad it's happened though as it's only my second time. As much as it's a pain in the arse I'll learn from it.

As I'm using Bio Bizz soil I've heard you shouldn't use PH as it balances it out itself & could damage the soil?
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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They are overfeed and burnt! Ph trouble is showing and that's easy to see with even the HPS lighting!

I see SOOO many problems with folks using BioBizz soils and nutrients, (you've got other problems though too) that I can NOT suggest them at all! Mainly bloom problems...you've got those piled up!
 
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Sorefinger

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Dr. Who said:
They are overfeed and burnt! Ph trouble is showing and that's easy to see with even the HPS lighting!

I see SOOO many problems with folks using BioBizz soils and nutrients, (you've got other problems though too) that I can NOT suggest them at all! Mainly bloom problems...you've got those piled up!
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What would you suggest I do?
 
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