Shenzhen quantum board MEIJU LIGHT

Aolelon

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Thanks, moron. Dickhead.
Not me, you. Obviously you dont know what a RIP off product is. If I made a phone that looked exactly like the iPhone with lesser technology, and sold it as the iPhone. You bet your ass apple would be suing me. Sorry I'd you dont understand it but that doesnt mean it's not the case.
 

Randomblame

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thnk you so so sooo much @Rocket Soul ...

Now i email with meijiue and they charge 102 $ for light 288 130w and another 55 for DHL...
Its not normal that is shipping so high...
My budget for the light is 100-150 $

I just wondering because I am new to all this so please dont be mad

Get only the boards, mate! Heatsinks are heavy and dhl is greedy anyway!!! There will be another 20% VAT/customs to pay, when it hit's your door. Get two board instead and ask them for a splitted invoice. Put an 25$ invoice in the package and sent another invoice to your paypal account. Below 25€ you don't need to pay any customs. Try it, it works!
For proper cooling get a cheap aluminum sheet like the HLG550 have(e3ay, metal store, scrapyard).
Drivers are available at www.tme.eu, they offer Meanwell driver very cheap and they ship from poland, so no VAT/customs to pay for europian buyers. I buy all my drivers there! Search for parts number. You need a Meanwell HLG-150H-48A or a HLG-150H-54A depending on vf of the board.
 

Rocket Soul

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Get only the boards, mate! Heatsinks are heavy and dhl is greedy anyway!!! There will be another 20% VAT/customs to pay, when it hit's your door. Get two board instead and ask them for a splitted invoice. Put an 25$ invoice in the package and sent another invoice to your paypal account. Below 25€ you don't need to pay any customs. Try it, it works!
For proper cooling get a cheap aluminum sheet like the HLG550 have(e3ay, metal store, scrapyard).
Drivers are available at www.tme.eu, they offer Meanwell driver very cheap and they ship from poland, so no VAT/customs to pay for europian buyers. I buy all my drivers there! Search for parts number. You need a Meanwell HLG-150H-48A or a HLG-150H-54A depending on vf of the board.
If youre shipping with dhl (like meijiu did for me) the shipping is included in what to pay at customs (custo.s calculated at invoice + shipping) so you will allways pay customs on what u get from meijiu.

@pollen205 for 150 dollars you can only really get very crappy options. Maybe a 2nd hand hps. Depends on what u want to cover.

Again, if you need help from people try to get details, like how big a space do you want to light. That way people can tell you if its even possible. 150 dollars dont go a long way. Have you got all the rest of you equipment budgeted? Fans, extraction, climate control?

If you up your budget slightly id recomend 2 Zeus boards 3000k from led-tech.de run dimmed on a HLG185-42A for about 80 w each: no need for heatsink, and all components available in the eu for no customs.
 

KonopCh

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Not me, you. Obviously you dont know what a RIP off product is. If I made a phone that looked exactly like the iPhone with lesser technology, and sold it as the iPhone. You bet your ass apple would be suing me. Sorry I'd you dont understand it but that doesnt mean it's not the case.
You obviously don't know how to read on chinese sites. Title is just a "search words", but if you take a closer look into specification, there is real name of manufacturer and board name. My english is not good, but I think you'll understand this. And with "moron" words, you only shows you're a child and your IQ is at low end.
I'm out now, this forum is really not worth time, plenty of scammers and idiots here.
 

Aolelon

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You obviously don't know how to read on chinese sites. Title is just a "search words", but if you take a closer look into specification, there is real name of manufacturer and board name. My english is not good, but I think you'll understand this. And with "moron" words, you only shows you're a child and your IQ is at low end.
I'm out now, this forum is really not worth time, plenty of scammers and idiots here.
https://m.alibaba.com/product/60746530506/2-288leds-board-2400ma-54v-lm561C.html?spm=a2706.7843299.1998817009.20.7c044571O6vcFM
Take a look at that. That is a picture off the HLG website
The board in the picture is a quantum board with HLG name removed. Under the description they post the exact same information word for word from the hlg website.
Half of them say quantum board under their description.
 

CobKits

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Boards with Samsung LM301B chips already exist. So HLG is stealing boards from them, like Alibaba guys are stealing boards from HLG.
That's at least Cobkits thinking...
no logic in your post

using the same diodes as somebody else in your design = expected
using the same diodes in a board that is identical in layout and dimensions, and then you ripoff their brandname = completely different
 

mahiluana

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Any grow journel with this type of light ( cheap china qb )
may be till now nobody told you, that driving a led @ half current will increase light efficiency
about 10-20%.

i buy in asia 10 x 400pcs/smd5730led board for US$ 100,- duty + ship. incl.



these epistar/epiled chips are rated only120LM/W @ 0,5W (Vf =3,3V / If=150mA)

if you would drive 2 of these boards @ 200W you can expect 132-144LM/W
******************** 4 ********************************************** 145-173LM/W
******************** 8 ********************************************** 160-207LM/W
with lower current (<50W)you won`t need heatsinks
and if you scratch the backside of the boards with coarse sandpaper
you can improve heat management.

size out the space of your grow and hang as many boards as possible.

the really tricky thing is now to hang these much cooler led boards --> closer to canopy
and with a better spread.

with half the distance your canopy will receive 4 times more light (:o_O

(the same thing happens with cob leds - since they are just miniature led-boards)
 
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mahiluana

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8-12% is more realistic when halving current
if you read the datasheet(s) of one of the led chips you sell in your shop
you can know that eg. CREE CXB3590 pretend other values.

current (mA) // lm/w
1400 // 172,1
1600 // 167,4
1800 // 162,3
---------------------------------------
2800 // 137,1 (25,5%)
3200 // 127,9 (30,8%)
3600 // 119,4 (35,9%)o_O

http://pct.cree.com/dt/index.html

so 8-12% is not really what you should sell us.
 

Randomblame

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But there is no 10% gain from 200 to 100mA! Your example shows a huge difference in current and therefor a huge difference in effiency.
3,6 vs. 1,6A is a conpletely different thing as 200 vs. 100mA.
The smaller the difference the smaller the profits!

These cheap diodes probably don't lite up at really low currents. I have had some 5730 strips on an HLG-60H-C350B(series/parallel connection, 116,67mA per strip) and when dimming below 50% the whole diodes switched off because of a too low voltage for each diode. That means they need at least ~60mA current, below that the voltage is not enough to let them lit up properly.
The end down is not open! There is not just a current limit, there are also minimal requirements. And the cheaper the diodes ...
Also, you can not compare Cree COB's with the cheapest SMD5730 boards. They are LEDs, yeah, but there are huge differences in thermal management. A 120lm/w @ 150mA/3,3v diode, according to the datasheet, can reach up to 150lm/w @ 60mA/2,9v. If you create 2.7v/20mA, it probably will not even light up! Try it and be more careful with the numbers you throw around. If it were possible to get 207lm/w out of cheap SMD5730 diodes, do not you think that others would not have noticed that earlier?
Just because you fall in love with your cheap COB's, you can not call them equally efficient when driven ultralow everywhere someone asks for help. It's simply don't fair because... THEY ARE NOT COMPARABLE!!!
 

Randomblame

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And it's the same with COB's!
Try it with 26v on an 36v chip... nothing will happen!
There are minimal requirements as well and the worse the quality, the narrower the usable range!


And now I'll throw a nice steak on the grill. 3 year free range with additional 3 month of maize mast....hmm! Look at the fine marbling..
That will be tasty! :fire::P:Po_O

Oh, Gas Monkeys starts right now ... Do I still have enough beer .., lol?
 
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CobKits

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if you read the datasheet(s) of one of the led chips you sell in your shop
you can know that eg. CREE CXB3590 pretend other values.

current (mA) // lm/w
1400 // 172,1
1600 // 167,4
1800 // 162,3
---------------------------------------
2800 // 137,1 (25,5%)
3200 // 127,9 (30,8%)
3600 // 119,4 (35,9%)o_O

http://pct.cree.com/dt/index.html

so 8-12% is not really what you should sell us.
im not trying to "sell" anything, just sharing information of the 100s of chips ive tested that all act similarly, its a curve so the percentage isnt the same, but +/-10% efficacy is typical

im talking about testing actual chips on actual heatsinks in the typical current ranges we run, not in an imaginary isothermal test environment running chips near 100% of capacity

measure 1400 mA against 700 mA you will see what i mean

the cree ceramic chips are also some of the worst at higher currents which is one of the reasons i stopped stocking them a long time ago. they dip really hard where other mfrs chips are a lot flatter at high currents
 
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mahiluana

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But there is no 10% gain from 200 to 100mA
10% ? 200-100mA ??? mucho bla bla - no proof !

I was talking about half current 3600/1800; 3200/1600; 2800/1400mA
why can`t you (& cobkit) just read the datasheet of CREE ?

we talked about low voltage consistancy only 4 months ago.
Now you seem to be affected by Alzheimer or too much beer in your head -



https://www.rollitup.org/t/adding-deep-far-reds-to-quantum-board-build.955848/page-3

driver is 10W/300mA constant current
this is 5 x 100W chip + 1 x 50W (on the right) ---> 550 x 1W leds and i still see good low voltage consistancy @ 1,8% (5,4mA) of max. current(300mA) - and you liked it.


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  2. mahiluanaWell-Known Member

    cree chips(cxb3590) win 23% @ half of the power
    @ half current it`s even 25% more light efficiency
 

Randomblame

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I know what I liked. Only in the meantime I did my own tests and my 50w COB are not dimmable to 1.8%. First only a few diodes go out, later all the others too. I rather believe that you are lying and you have thought it all up. My tests with cheap 50w have brought quite different results than yours and therefore I do not believe you anymore!

Look from minute.4, these effects are the same I see with my cheapo's. Some more, some less but but uneven current flow starts around 3-5w with the chips I've linked in that thread you mentioned.

 

mahiluana

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typical current ranges
if you could buy a CXB3590 for US$ 4,50 - your typical current range would decrease drastically.

all i say is: that a lower luminous efficiency of a led can be compensed by the quantity of led chips.

so if prices of cheap chinise led brands are only a 10% of a quality product like Cree -
it`s worth to compare them carefully.
I doubt that you(&me) are able to do exact measurements of the flux.
 

CobKits

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there are reputable chips around that price by citizen, cree etc. they are just smaller les with less diodes. no need to buy the noname chinese junk that usually has wide flux ranges, low lumen maintenance, and unrelaible lifespan. for jsut a few more dollars. gen5 citi 1212s can be had for $8 and are a fantastic reliable chip. and yes you are right 4 of those crush a $32 cxb3590

I doubt that you(&me) are able to do exact measurements of the flux.
i can do pretty well with my integrating sphere, even in absence of calibrating it

all i need are relative measurements, and these are accurate and repeatable

i should have said "in the range we typically runs these cobs when halving *wattage* efficacy gains are generally 8-12%.

if you go by halving *current* thats really not halving the power input as the voltage drops and the gains are magnified. You can measure that way but most people care about overall wattage as opposed to what particular current their chip is drawing to get to that wattage

heres some sphere tests from last year

lets look at luminus cxm22
160W:~33 ppfd/w
80W: ~39 ppfd/w (+18% compared to 160W)
40W: ~43.5 ppfd/w (+11.5% compared to 80W)
20W: ~ 47 ppfd/W (+8% compared to 40W)

20-100W is where 95% of cobbers run these chips (and that would pretty much scale with any chip which all have their ranges, and where growers would operate a given one), so again , 8-12% gain when halving wattage (call it 10% as a rule of thumb)

as you can see the dropoff is steep at very high currents which is wy we dont use them up there.

FWIW 160W is well over the cxm22s max current, which is 2200ma/125W per datasheet (but i measured it up to 3.6A anyway)
 

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