seed development -time?

s.c.mtn.hillbilly

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I've got this purple bagseed mother, that I crossed with one ww, and am preparing to cross to another ww(purple pheno)- double purple widow! ...she hermaphed on the bottom, so I imagine that will be feminized purple seeds...I haven't found any info on how long it takes for mature seeds to develop...anyone know? also, has anyone crossed a male to a hermaph? I expect some of the seeds to be hermie,but probably will see some true females, right?
 

Connoisseur177

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Man Reading some of this stuff on here scares me... why would you want hermaphodite seeds? causing stress and possibly terribly altered genetics (which is what your crossing for in the first place rite?) You Know how different germination will be than stable genetics?
I Personally would not grab seeds until around 7-8 week of flowering (or as long as you possibly can, with no full info it is hard to explain)
and people please stop using INORGANIC miracle gro, and time releasing fertilizer soil...plz :)
 

s.c.mtn.hillbilly

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Man Reading some of this stuff on here scares me... why would you want hermaphodite seeds? causing stress and possibly terribly altered genetics (which is what your crossing for in the first place rite?) You Know how different germination will be than stable genetics?
I Personally would not grab seeds until around 7-8 week of flowering (or as long as you possibly can, with no full info it is hard to explain)
and people please stop using INORGANIC miracle gro, and time releasing fertilizer soil...plz :)
I had a purple bagseed...if the expeiment fails, no worries! if it succeeds, I'm guessing 1/3 female,1/3 hermie,1/3 male...we'll see...but purple widow would really kick ass! and taste great!..I couldn't agree more on the miracle gro! killer compost, with E.J.foliar feed- that's my M.O.
 

Connoisseur177

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"feminized" seeds are from hermaph self pollination.
partially correct.... but still if you have more than one or two 'nodes' you have not personally made male then you have a hermaphodite plant because it has done so by ITSELF without you doing it, which is acting because of stress most likely.im not willing to explain to you how they get fem. seeds but let it be known that a hermaphodite plant will not get you feminized seeds, but instead you can have a harder time germinating those seeds, i once thought like you had.. good thing you are experimenting :) good luck with it . you will learn from what you have done yourself without me telling you anything in retrospect
 

s.c.mtn.hillbilly

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partially correct.... but still if you have more than one or two 'nodes' you have not personally made male then you have a hermaphodite plant because it has done so by ITSELF without you doing it, which is acting because of stress most likely.im not willing to explain to you how they get fem. seeds but let it be known that a hermaphodite plant will not get you feminized seeds, but instead you can have a harder time germinating those seeds, i once thought like you had.. good thing you are experimenting :) good luck with it . you will learn from what you have done yourself without me telling you anything in retrospect
I'll take your word on that... it's just an experiment aside from actual production...but if i can get just one stable female purple widow, it's clone city!
 

South Texas

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OK. Here's the deal. Several of my females got heat stressed because I live in an oven. They seeded, I took the seeds. At that point, I'm at a loss. WTF? Kill the freaks? Throw the seeds away? Learning from my mistakes makes me smart. Learning from others makes me wise. My priorities are not fucked up. You guide, I'll follow.
 

s.c.mtn.hillbilly

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OK. Here's the deal. Several of my females got heat stressed because I live in an oven. They seeded, I took the seeds. At that point, I'm at a loss. WTF? Kill the freaks? Throw the seeds away? Learning from my mistakes makes me smart. Learning from others makes me wise. My priorities are not fucked up. You guide, I'll follow.
some people are militant about eradicating hermaphs from the race...a lofty goal to be sure! I'm not the authority, but I haven't heard absolute definitive word that hermaphs are incapable of having normal female seed among the batch...just more fretting that the seeds will be heterozygous for hermaph...I personally think that most if not all females are het' for that trait,and it is ineradicable. just a fact of life. I'll find out for sure with this purple /widow cross.
 

Connoisseur177

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yes.. i never said u should throw them away lol.. i was just saying its going to be much harder on the plant..and if you like the outcome, then better for yourself... All Im Really Saying is...dont insist on doing this every time for seed ... it is inefficient...
 

s.c.mtn.hillbilly

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yes.. i never said u should throw them away lol.. i was just saying its going to be much harder on the plant..and if you like the outcome, then better for yourself... All Im Really Saying is...dont insist on doing this every time for seed ... it is inefficient...
I can definitely appreciate that...when you have a hermie pop up indoors, and seed the rest, that'd suck! I would naturally have liked to have a straight female mother, but I'm not gonna' special order purple seeds...and the purple widow would be a 14 foot ornamental(now that it's legal), not indoor!
 

Orange Shovel CAGrower

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well, think about it this way:
its the male sperm cells (pollen) that attach to the white hairs and go to the calyx. Hermies produce balls and pistils, so that the balls can rupture and pollinate the female parts to the plants. just by basic science, if a hermie's balls are ripped off and it is polinated by another male, they would not ALL be hermies. The genes from the male will be mixed with the hermie's because it was polinated by another plant. like what you said, it could be 1/2 hermies 1/4 male 1/4 female...who knows (probably some true pro breeders)? I may be wrong about this, but i just put 2 and 2 together in my mind.
 

s.c.mtn.hillbilly

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I recently read an unrelated article somewhere that mentioned 4-5 weeks from pollenation to viable seed...I'm sure longer is better. the purple sativa went into flowering in april and that part stopped growing and hermaphed the second flowering. the other part of the plant flowered later(now) and was impregnated by the w.w.(purple pheno)male. she smells all the world like sugary grape koolaid! her mother(in the bag) smelled perfumy exotic purple. of course there's something with this biodynamics/earth juice regimen that makes all weed gush forth sugars like I've never seen!
 
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