Seed confusion

Hi all, want to have a go at making a stockpile of seed for myself for such occasions as now where I fuck up and lose all my plants.
Dumb questions regarding to pollinating for the first time.. will I get some decent plants from crossing a couple of decent F1’s from different strains or do I have to back cross a couple of generations and create IBL’s to try and make a new f1?
It’s a new area for me.. I have been reading the breeders paradise thread but it’s a lot to take in.

Say for eg.. I had two strains.. let’s say blueberry Hashplant and space monkey for arguments sake
Should I
A) cross the two strains as they are?
B) make f2’s of each and hope to find some winners?
C) make f2, f3’s of each and then try crossing them?
D) work one back to F3/F4 and then keep throwing new F1 strains at it and see what sticks?

have you got a good male, or are you just going to fem them? just a question

Mumbeltypeg said:

Hi all, want to have a go at making a stockpile of seed for myself for such occasions as now where I fuck up and lose all my plants.
Dumb questions regarding to pollinating for the first time.. will I get some decent plants from crossing a couple of decent F1’s from different strains or do I have to back cross a couple of generations and create IBL’s to try and make a new f1?
It’s a new area for me.. I have been reading the breeders paradise thread but it’s a lot to take in.

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No you can make a straight ibl without a bx you just need to inbreed the hybrid your making while making good selections along the way and rejecting anything that doesn't make the cut and if you wanna make another f1 hybrid you can just cross it to something entirely unrelated and hey presto a new F1 a word to the wise though remember it pays to label and keep seeds from every step incase you make a mistake or bad selection it's easier going back than it is to steam ahead and eliminate something you don't like over many generations imo

conor c said:

No you can make a straight ibl without a bx you just need to inbreed the hybrid your making while making good selections along the way and rejecting anything that doesn't make the cut and if you wanna make another f1 hybrid you can just cross it to something entirely unrelated and hey presto a new F1 a word to the wise though remember it pays to label and keep seeds from every step incase you make a mistake or bad selection it's easier going back than it is to steam ahead and eliminate something you don't like over many generations imo

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Thank you.
So, so long as I have one worked IBL I can cross it with whatever and see how it goes? F1,2,3 doesn’t matter?

go go kid said:

have you got a good male, or are you just going to fem them? just a question

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I want to use a male rather than self, and no, I have always gave males the chop till now. But I’m putting some designated space to start working on this project, should be able to do 30/40 small plants at a time I recon.

Mumbeltypeg said:

Thank you.
So, so long as I have one worked IBL I can cross it with whatever and see how it goes? F1,2,3 doesn’t matter?

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Well it have to be a higher gen to be a ibl? But if your meaning if you take a already worked ibl and cross it to any strain that's unrelated at all then it's a true F1 cross we only use the F1 for explanation sake with poly hybrids and multi multi poly hybrids in reality all that shits mostly related already hence why few new strains are actual true f1s these days which isn't good as the magic is in the F1 crosses alot of the time imo

I think a major question to ask yourself is “what are your goals for this particular project” ? Are you trying to make a certain strain “better” - more potency, better structure, enhanced terps, better resilience, more adapted to your grow style/conditions? Are you just looking to see what new possibilities you can create by mashing genes together?

I think it’s important to define breeding goals before attempting a project. Depending on your end goal, it might help to guide your partner selections for those breedings, or help to eliminate others that don’t fit your criteria.

As for working lines, I think that at the very minimum, going through the process of making f2/f3 with each potential breeding partner will at least help you see more of what lies in those lines, and get a better sense of what traits you may be looking to improve or bring out with your breeding. The more you work through the genepool, the more tools will be revealed to you to work with. You might find some really cool stuff in the recessive traits too (Subcool was known for breeding with recessive traits, for example) and had some neat shit.