You are correct, not many strains are labeled well lol. You gotta look for "IBL" lines. Also many breeders can be contacted with questions about the genetics especially if you don't act like a shmoo when you contact them
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I don't have a preference for seeds. Makes no difference to me. I like to have males for breeding, so I will buy regs of a strain if I really like it.
i like a few, the vault is like old faithful, i've always had good luck with seedsman, and i've made a few orders from Canuck lately, and liked what i've gotten.
What i mean is from my experience every time i have kept a plant around that is from feminized seed it has eventually turned on me and started growing balls of some kind, sometimes due to something that i have done different but at times i havent been able to work out what stress caused it to happen especially after a good few problem free runs. In my experience regular seeds have been more resilient to stress thats just what i have found myself, so was wondering your opinion.
Indy Bubblegum comes to mind.Or BOG's Bubble.
There is no problem. It's just another myth flying around. Maybe 30 years ago, when people made fems by letting buds hang until they sprouted nanners, there were issues but none of the fem seeds available in stores today are made that way.
I didn't make the chart. I found it on the internet. It apparently came from someone called shantibaba. He is apparently involved with Green House Seed Company, CBD Crew, and Mr Nice seeds. Just thought I'd throw that out there crediting the author. I don't want to be accused of plagiarism.
Stabilization is not outbreeding lines 4&5 times (in fact, once you start going over those amounts (even the 5's show some) you begin to get less vigor and odd growth structure in the plants.
In the strain being developed above.....This is the strain that in F1 pheno hunting.....I was seeing as much as 12 distinct pheno's in early hunting. You got used to the pheno's as they presented themselves. Took awhile to find some other, far less common pheno's come out of those first pairings. One of them turned into the "Chosen one" that began the next step....
Shantibaba is an old school breeder, that actually does/did real line work breeding from my understanding. His hands were on classic strains from the 90s. https://www.semillas-de-marihuana.com/en/info/53-shantibaba-the-guru-of-modern-cannabis-geneticsI didn't make the chart. I found it on the internet. It apparently came from someone called shantibaba. He is apparently involved with Green House Seed Company, CBD Crew, and Mr Nice seeds. Just thought I'd throw that out there crediting the author. I don't want to be accused of plagiarism.
I'm not sure why you quoted me in this post, I'm pretty sure I understand the process pretty well. I never said anything about outbreeding lines? I also do not believe anything I said is inaccurate. The chart XTsho posted really makes it an easy process to see and understand for these others. That chart shows working a line to 5 generations, and you could easily do the same to take it further. From my understanding the likely hood of the specific traits increases with each generation bred towards that trait. I believe then you can back cross with a father or mother plant to further isolate the specific traits and stabilize.
Have you tried maybe delicious seeds fruity chronic juice? I’ve never tried it myself though.
SORRY
It's a fucking joke, ain't it?
.....I've been good this year Doc....Really I have
I feel yeah man, I definitely used the term stablized loosely. I meant it in regards to getting more isolate trait expression. Your totally right if not done right some times thats can be bad traits.SORRY
I used some poor explanation words in line one......Skip the word "outbreeding. In fact scrap that whole first line.
Reinsert this; To clarify, you don't "stabilize" a project by doing multiple F pairings. So you're not "stabilizing" a new strain by going out to F4 or 5, etc, etc ( how I understood your point on that). You are isolating trait expression's, This can include unwanted ones. If you aren't careful....
This is also part of the basis of the idea that going out beyond 5 pairings can bring to the surface some issues or unwanted traits also... It has been noticed that you do tend to loose some vigor past 5!
I see this expressed in some strains and it surprises me sometimes just from who these come from (I don't wonder if they pick something for how good the THC or something is but, ignore the less vigor thing). These will also become more so in long cloning......I have a few clones of clones of clones, that go back over 30 years. These are really healthy and strong growing plants today...Then I have some that struggle to go beyond 4-5 years....Clone issue could be related to other issues also but, ????
Many breeders today use a system of friends and colleagues to help pheno hunt.....So yeah on the hundreds of plants to select from thing... I do it in steps and have friends/partners who help....250 beans popped = minimal
A word on the old school boys...
Shanti, Arjan etc, etc. These guys had a pissing match to end all pissing match's. Everyone making claims and pointing fingers..... I'll say this. They did fine work, no matter who worked for whom. They made the initial base of the pyramid. There is at least one ass hat from back then. Who that is, is subjective.
BUT, it was the guys like Oregon Kid, Chem Dog, and yeah, I'll say it once (even though he's a low down rat fink) Resdog (his IBL work was famous) among many others...That created the start for the uber strains of today.
Gosh and damn it if I didn't come across far worse then I intended! Consider it as clarification and not saying you were wrong....No dis intended!
Little late, but I believe you want sensi seeds - fruity juice. I think the name was changed for obvious reasons.
