Second seedling is going wrong...

Hi,

I cant make the seedlings stage this time...

This was the issue with the first one:


I started over.

Indoor 60 X 60, CoolLED 200W light 80 cm about the plant , Temperature - 25-28 Celsius ,Moist - 45% +-.
There is a heat under the tent, works only at "night", so temperature is around 24-28 all the time.

This time I tried with giffy. When the giffy shows some roots I put it 1.5 liter pot, watered very carefully.
Then again, after 2 weeks, leaves are dropping down... maybe I gave too much water again?
I panicked and moved it to a smaller pot to give it to dry.

I didn't have those issues before, with other seeds.

The seeds are feminize white widow from Niravana.

What am I doing wrong?
Can it be a bad genetic seeds?

Attaching photos, thanks

Choked out and/or ph outta whack

Tangerine_ said:

Choked out and/or ph outta whack

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Choked out from water?
Its tap water that I hold 24 hours in an open can.

Why there are so sensitive? its genetics or is it me?

Damned, sorry you are having trouble again! I don't think it's the strain or genetics, as it looked good at first.

It's too wet again, and your light is probably too high. I'd bring it 50% closer...more like 40-50 cm. That will also help dry out your soil. Your pots have drain holes I assume?? And it needs some ventilation, a small fan running 24/7.

Transplanting also probably shocked it some. You said the heat mat is only on at night? Leave it on 24/7 for now...They love warmth!

Seedlings are very sensitive to start with. They can be very picky.
Ive also not seen much positive feedback about nirvana.

manfredo said:

Damned, sorry you are having trouble again! I don't think it's the strain or genetics, as it looked good at first.

It's too wet again, and your light is probably too high. I'd bring it 50% closer...more like 40-50 cm. That will also help dry out your soil. Your pots have drain holes I assume?? And it needs some ventilation, a small fan running 24/7.

Transplanting also probably shocked it some. You said the heat mat is only on at night? Leave it on 24/7 for now...They love warmth!

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Thanks, I will, I tried 50 cm, then I thought maybe its connected to the problems...
There is an in vent and an out fan.
The pot have holes.

If I leave the heat for 24/7 it getting to 30 Celsius, is it OK?

To start over again or she still have a chance to make it?

A seedling is delicate with only a tiny tap root. Water gently with a baster for more control until it has a chance to build up a root mass.

fragileassassin said:

Seedlings are very sensitive to start with. They can be very picky.
Ive also not seen much positive feedback about nirvana.

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Thanks, the thing is the grow very good up to some point...There are very small seeds also compare to what I know.

What is your recommendation for white widow?
ILGW is not sending to my country.

testology1980 said:

Thanks, the thing is the grow very good up to some point...There are very small seeds also compare to what I know.

What is your recommendation for white widow?
ILGW is not sending to my country.

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Pretty sure seedsman ships world wide.

How often are you watering??? It really seems like pH or overwater but I’m leaning more to the latter. What’s your pH of the water going in?

BuddingHorticulturist said:

How often are you watering??? It really seems like pH or overwater but I’m leaning more to the latter. What’s your pH of the water going in?

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I guess something between 8-7 ph.
Its tap water that I leave 24 hours in a can.

I gave every few days, not too much.

I can use reverse osmosis if that is better.

testology1980 said:

If I leave the heat for 24/7 it getting to 30 Celsius, is it OK?

To start over again or she still have a chance to make it?

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So yeah your ph is a little high....6.3-6.8 for soil. That's part of your problem, and then probably too wet. When you do water, just water lightly around the perimeter of the cup, not directly on the plant...That way the root will search for the water and get stronger, and won't be so soggy in the center. Probably 2 x a week is plenty for watering, and very lightly.

30 Celcuis is probably getting too warm, so maybe leave the heat mat like you had it...But if the floor is real cold,. at least raise it up off the floor a few inches.

I'd let it go and see hat happens...Fingers crossed for you!!

If the medium is wet I would let it dry out. Now for full disclosure, I am a new grower, so take my advice for what you will, BUT, under watering is almost always better than overwatering. So let the pots dry out before you water again. As a rule of thumb, don’t water until the pots are light and dry.

Also, it’s important to check the pH of your water going in. So, get a pH test stick and calibrate it up and get your pH in to the appropriate range.

as a rule those leaves aren’t going to get better, but the important thing going forward is to watch your new growth. If it looks normal you’re likely okay. If it looks bad, you may have root issues from overwatering.

I think sometimes we try to do too much and think we’re being helpful to our plants when we are standing in our own way. Let those pots dry, pay attention to pH and make sure it’s appropriate for your medium!

There's a few guys including myself doing WW grow journals currently, don't mean to plug but you should follow along.
Once you get it back on track you should use some balanced PH nutrients. I am using advanced nutrients PH perfect micro grow and bloom and even though I do test it I prob don't ever have to as it falls right between 6 and 6.5 every time. I'm a newbie too so not wanting to think too much in first grow. Can maybe spice things up in future grows once i know of something that works.

fragileassassin said:

Seedlings are very sensitive to start with. They can be very picky.
Ive also not seen much positive feedback about nirvana.

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I love my nirvanas. But you're right. Seedlings are EXTREMELY sensitive. It was fine. This is a case of quit F'n with it. And stop over watering it. Just a good heavy mist every morning for the next few days. Let the poor thing recover.

Way over watering. They barely need any water

MICHI-CAN said:

I love my nirvanas. But you're right. Seedlings are EXTREMELY sensitive. It was fine. This is a case of quit F'n with it. And stop over watering it. Just a good heavy mist every morning for the next few days. Let the poor thing recover.View attachment 4495930

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Ive just read theyre very inconsistent and people having whole packs not do anything. Was enough to make me avoid em.

ebcrew said:

Way over watering. They barely need any water

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Just a moist medium at that point. The leaves will absord more water than the developing roots. Hence the heavy misting. Wets the soil and direct waters the leaves. And after repotting twice at this size, the roots are damaged and the plant is out of balance. I.E.: in shock.

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Ive just read theyre very inconsistent and people having whole packs not do anything. Was enough to make me avoid em.

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Mine were free. Gifts from hopeful gift receivers. But my WW was awesome and the Northern is coming along fine.

Poobzilla said:

There's a few guys including myself doing WW grow journals currently, don't mean to plug but you should follow along.
Once you get it back on track you should use some balanced PH nutrients. I am using advanced nutrients PH perfect micro grow and bloom and even though I do test it I prob don't ever have to as it falls right between 6 and 6.5 every time. I'm a newbie too so not wanting to think too much in first grow. Can maybe spice things up in future grows once i know of something that works.

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Thanks, where can I see the journals?