Second Grow Cheese and Jack Herer

hey my man, sorry to hear about the bad luck youn having, had similar problems to what you going through at the moment in my last grow the root cause was high temps from my 250w MH....put in some 36w flourescents and my next batch of seeds grew nicely....

you need to try keep your temps between 22-27 degrees, ...with last greow the temps were closer to 29/30 degrees around 90f and they went a light green stopped growng and eventully died.

just started again with some ice seeds, will still use the flourecents 36 w tubes x 4 of those untill my plants get to their 4th set of leaves then will flip over to my MH, curerntly got the temps on 25 degrees or 79 f and they just sprouted today.... unfortunately had to chuck out another 4 seeds last week because i think i overwatered them, saw some fungis mouldy shit on ther roots when i chucked them so over did the watering obviously with poor drainage...

also try adding some perlite to your soil mix with some vermiculite 25% perlite 25% vermiculite 50% potting soil throw a little earth worm castings in if you can...your soil mix does not look
too airated, your plant roots like space to move around with oxygen to breath perlite will assist in this regard.

good luck

Ah thanks for the heads up man and sorry to hear about those four seeds....

Ive recently bought sum perlite and vermiculite so i will be addding it to my soil very soon! hoping it does the trick casue ive noticed they starting to grow lil by lil again...may of been a tad impatient but im use to the plants growing much faster than currently

Well if you don't know your watering PH and ppm that could be it there. The soil PH and water PH work together to form the final PH absorbed by plants. When I use Foxfarm soils, the ph is around 6.4-6.6 so I water with 6.4-6.6 ph to make the final right around 6.5 PH (marijuana's ideal soil Ph) When I used Miracle grow Soil, the Ph was low and random around 5 Ph and up. I watered with my tap water which was about 7.7 Ph and the final Ph balanced out since the plants grew quick and strong. You not knowing your water Ph could be causing all of this. I see you added nutes... Anytime I add nutes to my water, the Ph shoots down to 4-5. Think if you watered them with that low of Ph you might have just slowed them down even more. You might even have been using high ppm water from the tap which was too much for them at the beginning. It's still too hard to tell with so little info you know =[ Goto a fish store or even a walmart type store. Pick up some ph test strips, ph up,ph down, and a floating thermometer. Will be maybe 10 bux and then you can see the Ph you feed your babies.

Talk to you soon

And once again u come through with a helpful answer!

Ok so now what my plan is that im going to a hydro store and buying their promix which is a ph of just under 7...they also sell ph test kits which i will buy and then test my soils each time i add nutrients.....ive put the plants under my cfls and im noticing sum new growth ....i also think that the light was too far from the plants under the MH so im going to put it nearer....i have tapered glass over my mh which helps a lot


Thanks again Newb!

When you test the Ph of the soil. Pour some distilled water(about 6.2ish ph already) slowly into the container with the soil. (test the distilled with your strips or kit, should be 6) Try to catch the water which comes out the drain holes first. Test that water and compare it to the distilled. If the run off is below 6.0, that means most likely the soil has a lower ph than the water going in. This was the case for miracle grow when I used it. If the runoff has a ph of 6.5 -6.8, you should be fine in that area. Now to the nutes. When mixing nutes, always use 1/4 of a dose and work your way up. Add the nutes to the distilled water and give it a good couple of shakes and let it sit for 10 minutes. If you notice 10 minutes later after testing the nuted water, the ph will be way off from 6 (usually). Now's the fun game =D Slowly keep adding drops of Ph up and down to reach your desired ph. After that, I leave my nute mixture for another 20 minutes to settle. Test the ph a final time just in case, than finally water my babies.

Great to hear you are picking up some promix =] I haven't used it yet but I bet we will get some great results now. You have anymore seeds to start up once you get the promix?

Oki well i will be doing all of that in this week hopefully.....sigh it may take longer than i hoped to get that promix as i have limited time in the week

Im getting quite pissed off with this grow cause it seems my cfls were doing a better job with the plants than this MH. below is how my last two were looking in my previous grow.

Im not sure if im blowing too much air over them or what exacly is going on but everything is the same as my last grow except the lighting and that fan and im not getting good results.....i recently planted three new seedlings and im getting NYD seeds this week so i hope ill have that promix by the time the sprout and that things will go well. Im hoping that the plants are only looking bad due to the stress they went thru earlier in the grow.


Previous grow (cheese!)

Try to get a temp/humidity meter pictured below

And to be honest, that soil looks very bad =/ Just clumped dirt with no room for air and low quality. The plants indicate signs of over watering or nitrogen deficiency which is common for that type for soil which looks identical to the stuff I failed with. Notice how your plants have very light green color and a hint of yellow. That means they are starving for nitrogen.(Before next nuting, make contact with me and Ill make sure it goes perfect) The pro mix should do the job but it would have been better to wait to pop the seeds until you actually got it. Anyways if you can pick up some perlite if you don't have it. I prefer perlite since it has a neutral Ph unlike vermiculite which can vary greatly.

Okay, the light situation.. I can't help if I don't know the temperature of right around the plant level area. Cfl's can be good for growing since they can be placed close to plants due to small heat output. Now they might be doing better because 1. The cfl's don't cause as much heat and give more true light output due to close proximity. Or 2. The MH was causing too much heat or just simply was too far away.

Smaller plants need higher humidity and that might be too low. Unlikely causing these problems though.

Fans: In my veg tent, I have 1 small fan blowing on low across my 5 cfl's to lower their operating temps therefore dropping the temps in the tent and giving a slight breeze to my babies below. Now don't have a fan blowing on the plants so they bend and move like 5 inches back and forth. Have the fan on low speed and position it somehow so the plants just wiggle back and forth maybe a half inch or so. This will ensure plenty of airflow to ensure air exchange and stem exercise to hold up them big buds =] If you can have a separate fan aimed up just at the light/s for cooling.

My overall thought
Wait until you get most of the things I've said together and start fresh. We will succeed I know it ;]

no it will work

Ok now its time to get things going again....MY SITUATION:

I got my promix and im amped Ive transplanted 2 of the best looking plants into the promix and watered after....they both under my MH and are about 20 to 30 cm away from the light and the temp feels fine for them(back of the hand method)......now will they grow in that promix properly or did the promix need to be mixed with regular soil?

i also will be getting trainwreck cuttings and diesel seeds 2moro of which i will start the cuttings in rockwool and plant the seedlings from the diesel straight into the promix.....hope i got all coverd

btw NEwbgrower im tryna find such a device that u listed above thanks again hope u can help me out....btw where is ur grow? curious to see it!

Promix should be fine to transplant straight into. Nice job on the seeds and clones. All should go well. Now did you water with distilled water?

Ill have some pics up soon of my veg tent and flower tent I promise ;]

I couldnt didnt have any......transplanting was such a mission. Only once i transplanted i realised just how shit that soil it was in is. Really hoping the promix does well

Cool i will be checking up on it as soon as its up.

below is two of the plants

The promix will do wonders for them, just will take time for them to recover. Might be a week or so, hard to say. From the pics they need some nitrogen badly. The soil should have some nitrogen in it I think so that will help them green up a bit. The main thing you need to worry about is the PH and ppm of the water you are giving them. Mainly Ph, so get those ph strips along with some jugs of distilled. Then we can work on adding nutrients =] How old r left and right?

Yeah im working on getting the ph strips this weekend....cause after i get my new seeds im determined not to mess up that grow at all!

And to be honest i do not know i was recording the days but then didnt bother because of how badly they were set bak

But anyway i will get those ph strips and then il let the real growing begin

Sounds good to me. You should do a lot better this time around. Get distilled water too!


My Journal check it out

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/357648-la-woman-lockstock-electric-fruit.html#post4512727

Will do....should i mix worm castings to increase nitrogen to solve my leaf prblem?

You can add a little but the damage is done sadly and it will take a bit for it to kick back =/ I'd concentrate on preparing for round 2 and getting it going nice and steady. Of course keep your current ones going because they will just teach you more

Update time.......ok so now i have one jack herer clone that i have just put in rockwool. I dipped the clone in my cloning powder and then put it in the rockwool and poured water on the rockwool to soak it...hope that good?

I also have 7 diesel seeds in a dish of water tryna soak them before i try germinate because the seeds didnt look so good in my opinion....

After that i will be putting the newly germinated seedlings into my promix and hope for the best! I REALLY HOPE this time things will go according to plan

oh btw the one other plant that went thru sum tough times seems to be now recovering rather well...im hoping it will kickstart sum serious gowth and do me proud!

Sounds good mate! If the other guy that you put in promix is now doing well, thats a good sign. I'll be watching every step of the way =]