SCOTTYBALLS Tribute Grow! Pineapple Express 400w Scrog Waterfarm

kriznarf · Oct 1, 2011

AWnox said:
Thanks for your reply Kriznarf. About your reply; I am using the 250W throughout the entire grow, I wasn't even considering another light, I have a smaller space than yours (17''x26''x60'') so I figured I needed a less intense light than the 400W, it just seemed like an overkill for my space. I agree with your point about other vegetation being less likely to be grown in isolated areas, although you can't argue that it does occur and I'm sure they do just as fine as the ones that pop out in a shade. My query was about the light itself, the intensity rather. Considering that there's sufficient cool wind blowing across it and the heat on the seedling itself is minimal would you say it would be safe and beneficial to start her off with the 250W if I did not want to use a CFL or a t5 or anything else? I know I am probably over thinking this and nature will probably do it's thing without any special techniques or knowledge, just wanted to have some of the pros P.O.V. Thanks for your time and btw your grow looks superb.

+rep

Ha, I get you man. Yeah, 250w will be fine early on. You may want to look up Sr. Verde. He grew some Tangerine Dream under a 250w that looked beastly. And thanks for the rep! Be sure to link to your journal if you start one and best of luck!

kriznarf · Oct 3, 2011

Day 15 (12/12) Day 49 (Total)

EC 2.2 (1100ppm)

Pretty much stopped training her about two days ago. There are a couple empty spots in the corners of my screen, but I'm not too concerned. Light would be much weaker in those areas anyway.

Just as mr2shim and Dayzt have described, there are tops that seem to have slight deficiencies and tops that seem to be slightly over nuted. I'm guessing she'll even out in time, especially now that she's through her training. EC is staying pretty steady at about 2.1-2.2, despite the fact that she's drinking a gallon a day.

All in all, things are going great and she's looking fantastic. Growth is still surprising, easily adding 1-2 inches of height each day. Bud sites are really taking shape as well, with pistils starting to explode all over.

Good times.

mr2shim · Oct 3, 2011

Don't worry about the empty spots. It's good to have them around the edges so the buds won't lean against the tent. It'll grow up and fill in that spot and you won't even see it after a little while. She's looking great for day 15 of 12/12.

kriznarf · Oct 3, 2011

mr2shim said:
Don't worry about the empty spots. It's good to have them around the edges so the buds won't lean against the tent. It'll grow up and fill in that spot and you won't even see it after a little while. She's looking great for day 15 of 12/12.

Much appreciated, mr2.

Forgot to mention that I'm slowly trimming the undergrowth. Every day I pull a fan leaf or small side branch that wasn't going to ever make it to the canopy. Want to keep this process slow and the stress as low as possible.

AWnox · Oct 3, 2011

kriznarf said:
Much appreciated, mr2.

Forgot to mention that I'm slowly trimming the undergrowth. Every day I pull a fan leaf or small side branch that wasn't going to ever make it to the canopy. Want to keep this process slow and the stress as low as possible.

I was just about to point that out too Kriznarf, you shouldn't just trim all the bottom growth at once right? What kind of consequences can you expect if you do trim the bottom growth all at once?

Third pic is my favforite btw, it's crazy to see all that growth come out of a single WF; and to think there's alot more to grow. Great progress!

mr2shim · Oct 3, 2011

AWnox said:
I was just about to point that out too Kriznarf, you shouldn't just trim all the bottom growth at once right? What kind of consequences can you expect if you do trim the bottom growth all at once?

Third pic is my favforite btw, it's crazy to see all that growth come out of a single WF; and to think there's alot more to grow. Great progress!

I trimmed mine all at once. I don't think it really did anything. I think it's more less personal preference. Although nothing is wrong with trimming in stages, def would be less stressful to the plant.

kriznarf · Oct 3, 2011

AWnox said:
I was just about to point that out too Kriznarf, you shouldn't just trim all the bottom growth at once right? What kind of consequences can you expect if you do trim the bottom growth all at once?

Third pic is my favforite btw, it's crazy to see all that growth come out of a single WF; and to think there's alot more to grow. Great progress!

Thanks, AW. I love those scrog profile shots, too.

It's generally not a great idea to trim all the undergrowth at once. Doing so may shock the plant, slowing growth above the canopy for a day or more. Also, with all the pruning, you're opening up a lot of sites on your plant to infection. Only pulling a leaf (or two) or secondary stem on a given day helps cut into these risks. That said, I think mr2shim clipped the bulk of his undergrowth in a single day and I don't know if it slowed him down all that much. His plant is looking great now, so clearly a single clip session can be done. If you do choose to go the slower route, try and wait till a leaf is showing signs of decay or is approximately 50% dead before you pull it. The slow death of the undergrowth will speed up as your canopy fills in and blocks out the light.

kriznarf · Oct 3, 2011

mr2shim said:
I trimmed mine all at once. I don't think it really did anything. I think it's more less personal preference. Although nothing is wrong with trimming in stages, def would be less stressful to the plant.

Ha, you beat me to it again! I was just writing about how you just trimmed your girl in a single day, but didn't seem to have any problems.

mr2shim · Oct 3, 2011

Overall I think it's best to wait until they die off on their own or clip here and there because when you cut them all off at once, your plant has to seal all of those open spots and that I can imagine takes a good bit of energy to do at once.

Hobgoblit · Oct 3, 2011

Filling in nicely my friend, bet you can't wait for some nug porn. I personally have a serious itch for this technique, looks to be the best for yield, regardless of the system. Keep it up, I'll be following.

Dayzt · Oct 3, 2011

kriznarf said:
Day 15 (12/12) Day 49 (Total)

EC 2.2 (1100ppm)

Pretty much stopped training her about two days ago. There are a couple empty spots in the corners of my screen, but I'm not too concerned. Light would be much weaker in those areas anyway.

Just as mr2shim and Dayzt have described, there are tops that seem to have slight deficiencies and tops that seem to be slightly over nuted. I'm guessing she'll even out in time, especially now that she's through her training. EC is staying pretty steady at about 2.1-2.2, despite the fact that she's drinking a gallon a day.

All in all, things are going great and she's looking fantastic. Growth is still surprising, easily adding 1-2 inches of height each day. Bud sites are really taking shape as well, with pistils starting to explode all over.

Good times.

Looking great man - keep 'er up! Things are going to start shooting straight up now!

ironheadxl · Oct 3, 2011

man I hit the flower mode with the lights Dayzt my pe is a stretchy pheno, stretching like a yoga class in there.

SCOTTYBALLS · Oct 4, 2011

Kriznarf, for what its worth I usally trim everything under the screen all at once.. it heals itself within a few hours and it can get on with its life of growing.. the small under growth I call them suckers (small shoots of bud sites) get rid of them asap they are what is going to rob you of nutrients of the main bud sites and will result in nothing but poor airy popcorn like buds below the screen.. that energy will be deverted to the main tops giving you 20-30 donkey dicks.. fan leaves you can leave alone, I use the fan leaves for vertical hight control... if I have a few tops that are a inch or two taller then the rest I will knock off a few fan leaves giving a chance for the rest of the sites to catch up..

ironheadxl · Oct 4, 2011

Scotty could you check the journal of mine and add insight? tried to pm but too buzzed to figure that out right now lol

> Dayzt looking good man, awesomeness on the way no doubt!

snap1234 · Oct 4, 2011

Hi Kriznarf, been following your grow and it looks amazing. Congrats on on it so far, just had a quick question about your setup. Do you keep both of your small clip-on fans on their highest power at all times or do you vary it all?

silasraven · Oct 4, 2011

you wouldnt happen to remember the humidity? threw the grow? even a guess range works

kriznarf · Oct 7, 2011

snap1234 said:
Hi Kriznarf, been following your grow and it looks amazing. Congrats on on it so far, just had a quick question about your setup. Do you keep both of your small clip-on fans on their highest power at all times or do you vary it all?

Thanks, snap. I keep them both on full strength. I think it would be hard to overdo it with these little clip-on guys. Speaking of, the clips on these Air King fans are weak.

kriznarf · Oct 7, 2011

silasraven said:
you wouldnt happen to remember the humidity? threw the grow? even a guess range works

As my grow is a semi-outdoor grow, I don't have as much control over the humidity as I'd like. It ranges from 60-80% (ideally you'd want it around 50%,) but I try to keep a lot of airflow in the tent to counteract any potential humidity-related problems. It's def the reason that I have that lower fan trained on the main stem. Keeping that sucker as dry as possible. Seems to be working out.

kriznarf · Oct 7, 2011

Dayzt said:
Looking great man - keep 'er up! Things are going to start shooting straight up now!

Thanks, Dayzt. Been loving your current grow, too. Can't wait to see how your VK does. I have ten beans just waiting to be germed. I'm also thinking about stepping up to a 600w setup in a new space. Planning it out now, which has been a lot of fun.

kriznarf · Oct 7, 2011

Day 18 (12/12) Day 52 (Total)

I still can't believe how fast she's growing. I never saw growth this explosive when I was working with soil. She's still drinking about a gallon a day, but EC was starting to run up on me. It was at 2.7 (1350 ppm) when I checked her at lights on. This was up from an EC of 2.4 (1200 ppm) the previous day. I just added about 1.25 gallons at 1.8 EC (900 ppm) to bring her down. I'll check the rez again in an hour or so and see if I should dilute her a little more.

Took some of Scotty's advice and pruned all of the smaller branches under the screen that just weren't going to make it. Otherwise, I'm going to leave the lower fan leaves until they start to die off.

Can't wait to see what she does in the next 30-40 days. Oh, and I promise to work on figuring out a decent setting for my camera. Maybe.

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