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BarnBuster

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What’s Driving the Price of High-End Whiskies?
APRIL 19, 2018 | AARON GOLDFARB Whisky Advocate

Examine some whiskies from Whisky Advocate’s 2017 Top 20. Number 3, Wild Turkey Master’s Keep Decades—a mix of bourbons aged between 10 and 20 years—costs $150. Yet number 10, Glen Moray 18 year old, comes in at just $90, while number 15, Kentucky Peerless Straight Rye—a 2 year old craft whiskey—is $125. Meanwhile, Old Rip Van Winkle 25 year old hit the market last year at $1,800, while Michter’s Celebration—a 33 year old bourbon—has a recommended retail price of $5,000. They’re all whiskies, made from grain and aged in barrels—so why such a massive disparity?

How do companies set prices on old, limited, or in-demand whisky? Do they use some algorithm that takes into account age and quantity? Do these prices show the actual cost of production? Or is it just a guessing game by the liquor companies, trying to maximize profit on their rarest offerings?

“I don’t feel there’s a real rhyme or reason to what they do,” says Joseph W. Mollica, chairman of the New Hampshire Liquor Commission. Running the liquor purchasing for a control state that sees a lot of well-heeled tourists passing through, Mollica—who oversaw almost $865 million of alcohol sales in 2017—is able to get his hands on some of the rarest, most expensive whiskies on earth, like Glenmorangie Pride 1974 ($5,799) and Glen Grant 50 year old ($13,999). He’s a whisky retail expert, yet even he can’t put his finger on what exactly influences the price of a bottle. “Everybody seems to have a proprietary pricing method,” Mollica says.


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BarnBuster

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A rare 60-year-old Macallan whisky fetched HK$7.96 million ($1.01 million) at Bonhams Hong Kong on Friday [5/18], smashing the record for the most expensive bottle ever sold at auction.

The record lasted barely a dram. A second bottle, also from the 1926 vintage, went for $1.1 million hours later at the same event. Both sold for more than twice their high estimate of HK$4.5 million. Pre sale forecasts exclude the 22.5 percent buyers’ premium added to the hammer price.

The new record works out to $14,466 per centiliter for the standard 75-centiliter bottle, one of only 12 ever made when the limited edition was released in 1986 after aging for 60 years in a cask by the Scottish distillery.

Prices for whiskies have soared in recent years as more and more buyers seek out rare single malts from Scotland, including Dalmore and Port Ellen, as well as Japanese distilleries Karuizawa and Yamazaki. Since the end of 2008, an index of whisky prices compiled by Rare Whisky 101 has increased 580 percent while the Liv-ex 100 Benchmark Fine Wine Index grew about 50 percent.

"Nothing can compare with the performance of whisky, it has proved its status as an alternative investment," said Daniel Lam, head of wine and whisky at Bonhams Hong Kong.

While a wine’s vintage is determined by the year in which the grapes were picked -- bottling usually takes place within 16 to 24 months after the harvest -- the age of a whisky refers to the time spent aging in a cask. For example, the Macallan 1926 60 year old was not bottled until 1986.

Because of continued loss due to evaporation, known as the "angel’s share," older whiskies produce fewer bottles, adding to their rarity. Unlike wine, which should be consumed within hours of opening, a bottle of whisky can be enjoyed for up to one year after it has been uncorked.

The record-breaking bottle was one of 12 numbered and signed by Italian artist Valerio Adami who designed the label. The earlier bottle sold was also one of 12 of a limited edition label designed by Peter Blake, the British pop artist best known for co-creating the cover for the Beatles Album "Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band."

The previous auction record of HK$4.9 million was set in 2014 in Hong Kong for a six-liter bottle of 60-year-old Macallan in a Lalique decanter. That’s eight times larger than the standard-sized bottle sold Friday.

http://www.bonhams.com/press_release/26033/
 

BarnBuster

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The San Francisco World Spirits Competition
See how your booze measured up this year:

Best Straight Bourbon
Bulleit Barrel Strength Kentucky Straight Bourbon, Kentucky, USA
ALCOHOL: 63% RETAIL PRICE: $60

Best Small Batch Bourbon
Elijah Craig Small Batch Kentucky Straight Bourbon, Kentucky, USA
ALCOHOL: 47% RETAIL PRICE: $30

Best Bourbon • Best Single Barrel Bourbon
Henry McKenna Single Barrel Kentucky Straight Bourbon, Kentucky, USA
ALCOHOL: 50% RETAIL PRICE: $35

Best Rye Whiskey
Knob Creek Cask Strength Rye Whiskey, Kentucky, USA
ALCOHOL: 59% RETAIL PRICE: $70

rest of results here: https://sfspiritscomp.com/results/
 

pabloesqobar

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This stuff is an absolute fucking revelation. It has that non-smoky Speyside style I like, and it outperforms Glenlivet 12 at about half the price. This is my new house bottle.

So I tried it. $18 here. I don't drink scotch that often, except when I celebrate an accomplishment or visit my parents and brother. It was good. Tasted like what I expect scotch to taste like. Easy to drink.
I just visited my family, and had these:
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The Laphroaig was . . . different. Kinda what I imagine what wringing out a sweaty gym sock would taste like. It's my Dad's favorite. The Glenfiddich tasted like nectar after that. Drank those out of Edinburgh crystal.

Yesterday I went back to Trader Joe's and picked up their Highland for $20. See how it compares to the Speyside. They have the 12 year Glenfiddich for $29, but I'm not going to exceed the $20 price point.
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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
So I tried it. $18 here. I don't drink scotch that often, except when I celebrate an accomplishment or visit my parents and brother. It was good. Tasted like what I expect scotch to taste like. Easy to drink.
I just visited my family, and had these:
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The Laphroaig was . . . different. Kinda what I imagine what wringing out a sweaty gym sock would taste like. It's my Dad's favorite. The Glenfiddich tasted like nectar after that. Drank those out of Edinburgh crystal.

Yesterday I went back to Trader Joe's and picked up their Highland for $20. See how it compares to the Speyside. They have the 12 year Glenfiddich for $29, but I'm not going to exceed the $20 price point.
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Lol yes I tried the 10 Year Highland also! It tasted less good at about a buck more. It's the 8 year Speyside for meeee

 

DST

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So I tried it. $18 here. I don't drink scotch that often, except when I celebrate an accomplishment or visit my parents and brother. It was good. Tasted like what I expect scotch to taste like. Easy to drink.
I just visited my family, and had these:
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The Laphroaig was . . . different. Kinda what I imagine what wringing out a sweaty gym sock would taste like. It's my Dad's favorite. The Glenfiddich tasted like nectar after that. Drank those out of Edinburgh crystal.

Yesterday I went back to Trader Joe's and picked up their Highland for $20. See how it compares to the Speyside. They have the 12 year Glenfiddich for $29, but I'm not going to exceed the $20 price point.
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I find the peaty tasting Island malts a bit much for me. I also prefer the different Spey valley whisky brands. Smoother, normally fruity and honey vibes going on.
Love the Edimburgh Crystal. Thats what I also drink my drams in. Its a shame the company are now out of business.
 

DST

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Yep, my Mom was born and raised there and brought some back. Then my Dad was gifted a couple of glasses over the weekend from someone's collection. Nice gift.
Cool. Always nice to have a Scottish heritage. I grew up in Edinburgh and Fife....well, Leith actually. If you have read Trainspotting you may know about the Banana Flats, which were just behind my Grans (rip) flat. You ever get the chance to visit?
 

pabloesqobar

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Cool. Always nice to have a Scottish heritage. I grew up in Edinburgh and Fife....well, Leith actually. If you have read Trainspotting you may know about the Banana Flats, which were just behind my Grans (rip) flat. You ever get the chance to visit?
Yes, once in 1986. Stayed at my Grandmother's flat in Edinburgh, on James St., just off the Royal Mile. The festival was going on then. Not sure if I'll ever get back there.
 

Dr. Who

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What’s Driving the Price of High-End Whiskies?
APRIL 19, 2018 | AARON GOLDFARB Whisky Advocate

Examine some whiskies from Whisky Advocate’s 2017 Top 20. Number 3, Wild Turkey Master’s Keep Decades—a mix of bourbons aged between 10 and 20 years—costs $150. Yet number 10, Glen Moray 18 year old, comes in at just $90, while number 15, Kentucky Peerless Straight Rye—a 2 year old craft whiskey—is $125. Meanwhile, Old Rip Van Winkle 25 year old hit the market last year at $1,800, while Michter’s Celebration—a 33 year old bourbon—has a recommended retail price of $5,000. They’re all whiskies, made from grain and aged in barrels—so why such a massive disparity?

How do companies set prices on old, limited, or in-demand whisky? Do they use some algorithm that takes into account age and quantity? Do these prices show the actual cost of production? Or is it just a guessing game by the liquor companies, trying to maximize profit on their rarest offerings?

“I don’t feel there’s a real rhyme or reason to what they do,” says Joseph W. Mollica, chairman of the New Hampshire Liquor Commission. Running the liquor purchasing for a control state that sees a lot of well-heeled tourists passing through, Mollica—who oversaw almost $865 million of alcohol sales in 2017—is able to get his hands on some of the rarest, most expensive whiskies on earth, like Glenmorangie Pride 1974 ($5,799) and Glen Grant 50 year old ($13,999). He’s a whisky retail expert, yet even he can’t put his finger on what exactly influences the price of a bottle. “Everybody seems to have a proprietary pricing method,” Mollica says.


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http://whiskyadvocate.com/driving-price-high-end-whiskies/
12 year Old Rip $550 The MSRP is $69.99 Availability and demand, set the price by those willing to pay the amount asked. This was a gift.... The Van Winkle family of Bourbons are distilled by Buffalo Trace. In fact, Buffalo Trace has some of the same basic taste notes as the Van Winkle's. You can taste that Rip and Pappy back in the mid to finish notes in tasting. The thing is, If you can be damn lucky enough to buy these "off the shelf" in some states (like here in Michigan). You only pay that MSRP! Then you sell them on the net for the big dollars. At $100 for 15 year and $170 for 20 year Pappy. "I" would have to shelf them and drink them over time...
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BarnBuster

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'Pappygate' ringleader gets time in prison... where there's no bourbon
Associated Press Published 12:48 p.m. ET June 1, 2018

The mastermind of a whiskey theft ring in Kentucky has been sentenced to 15 years in prison for the scheme that siphoned tens of thousands of dollars' worth of bourbon from two distilleries. Former distillery worker Gilbert "Toby" Curtsinger pleaded guilty last year to charges that included theft by unlawful taking and receiving stolen property. Curtsinger was sentenced Friday in Frankfort, Kentucky, in the case known as "Pappygate."

The thefts included hard-to-get and pricey brands such as Pappy Van Winkle bourbon taken from the Buffalo Trace distillery. The thefts also targeted the Wild Turkey distillery. Authorities estimated the recovered whiskey was worth at least $100,000.
Authorities say Curtsinger loaded whiskey barrels into a pickup truck, covered them with a tarp and hauled them to potential buyers. He was indicted in 2015.
 

Sir Napsalot

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I find the peaty tasting Island malts a bit much for me. I also prefer the different Spey valley whisky brands. Smoother, normally fruity and honey vibes going on.
Love the Edimburgh Crystal. Thats what I also drink my drams in. Its a shame the company are now out of business.

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