Rules

I think rules are a good thing without them it would be a crazy mess. Though I believe censoring certain things we say or people that kind of ruins the group. Example, well I personally cannot stand Zeke, (not a personal attack we both will agree for our dislike) he got an infarction for saying f all you or something of the sort yesterday... he was joking and members that have been on here for a while know that is his personality. So do we all need to change our personalities and do we all have to quit joking the way we like to because its considered disrespectful by some?
This site is fun and one of the reasons its fun is because we all get to bullshit with each other about whatever we want. People will be assholes and when they are serious and it really offends someone then thats when it should be an infarction. I have to watch what I say... kinda un-lady like but I cuss like crazy. I dont want to put anyone down but at the same time I dont want to have to kiss peoples asses because they dont have the same beliefs as me.

I just think the rules shouldnt be as harsh. We are all adults in here and with that being said we should be able to enjoy freedom of speech.

There is a difference between profanity and being vulgar, definitions are in the chat scripts

why is it that when people link offsite for information....


certain post and links are deleted?


seems like popularity contest to me.

if its information on growing or whatever whatever, why should it matter which site it came from?

i thought we were all here for the same reason; to overgrow the world/government.

rollitup said:

There is a difference between profanity and being vulgar, definitions are in the chat scripts

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I completely understand this, my point is, people having to change the way they have been the whole entire time all of the sudden, is going to be difficult for a lot of people. I completely support all of the new rules, my request is that we pay attention to what is joking and what is not... it sucks that we have to be uber sensitive because people cant take it.

Im not arguing at all; Im just trying to show how a lot of members are discouraged due to fear of being punished.

I guess thats why you have a chance to get up to 5 infarctions, but still.

jamiemichelle said:

I think rules are a good thing without them it would be a crazy mess. Though I believe censoring certain things we say or people that kind of ruins the group. Example, well I personally cannot stand Zeke, (not a personal attack we both will agree for our dislike) he got an infarction for saying f all you or something of the sort yesterday... he was joking and members that have been on here for a while know that is his personality. So do we all need to change our personalities and do we all have to quit joking the way we like to because its considered disrespectful by some?
This site is fun and one of the reasons its fun is because we all get to bullshit with each other about whatever we want. People will be assholes and when they are serious and it really offends someone then thats when it should be an infarction. I have to watch what I say... kinda un-lady like but I cuss like crazy. I dont want to put anyone down but at the same time I dont want to have to kiss peoples asses because they dont have the same beliefs as me.

I just think the rules shouldnt be as harsh. We are all adults in here and with that being said we should be able to enjoy freedom of speech.

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You hating me jamie isn't even relevant to this site

Zekedogg said:

You hating me jamie isn't even relevant to this site

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but I still love ya

Zekedogg said:

but I still love ya

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Well I wanted to be clear that I wasnt sticking up for you because we had a friendship. I was sticking up because I thought it was wrong.

That was my point.

jamiemichelle said:

Well I wanted to be clear that I wasnt sticking up for you because we had a friendship. I was sticking up because I thought it was wrong.

That was my point.

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I know girl.....its all good

I see where jamie is coming from... but is it THAT important to say something like "fuk u all"? Can't we as adults just not say such things for the sake of the greater good? It makes a moderator's job much harder to try and distinguish whats joking and whats not. They aleady have enough on their plate. This is a busy site and they have a lot of posts to look over. They don't need extra (unessesary) complications. Just make sure you're always respectful to others and things will run smoothly for all parties involved.

GrowSpecialist said:

I see where jamie is coming from... but is it THAT important to say something like "fuk u all"? Can't we as adults just not say such things for the sake of the greater good? It makes a moderator's job much harder to try and distinguish whats joking and whats not. They aleady have enough on their plate. This is a busy site and they have a lot of posts to look over. They don't need extra (unessesary) complications. Just make sure you're always respectful to others and things will run smoothly for all parties involved.

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All the mods know me well enough to know I wasn't serious

GrowSpecialist said:

I see where jamie is coming from... but is it THAT important to say something like "fuk u all"? Can't we as adults just not say such things for the sake of the greater good? It makes a moderator's job much harder to try and distinguish whats joking and whats not. They aleady have enough on their plate. This is a busy site and they have a lot of posts to look over. They don't need extra (unessesary) complications. Just make sure you're always respectful to others and things will run smoothly for all parties involved.

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And my response to the people who got offended, would be to grow some balls. We are all adults here. Geez. Just like if we were at a table joking around and laughing and someone said that, everyone would laugh... not get in trouble. Thats my point. I dont think anyone should personally attack someone or make them feel bad in anyway.

i would have liked to see the full transcript of our conversation. lol but i understand why you did not.


ok on chat earlier you said that thing's will not change. what happened last night then that was not normal, thread being closed and and infractions for anything. the rike did this this flood scare tactics. putting people under house arrest and culling the free speakers even if they are respectful. and debate at a noteworthy level.

my argument is not against the rules now. but how they were implemented, and the actions taken by you staff under your orders.

since the rule update i have seen the most vulgar thread on RIU and it was posted by a mod, i will not name names but this post basically gave me the shudders, the mod said "bend over and line your family up as well" this is vulgar and uncalled for but this was posted by one of your mods.

the mod had a point to make but, i think that was an unacceptable analogy. if that grower has children. who is moderating the moderators.

i still think that chiceh had on grounds to close my thread.

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/101156-i-dont-think-thread-will.html#post1205468

if that had not happened then this thread would not have been created.

https://www.rollitup.org/toke-n-talk/101175-can-we-not-have-say.html#post1205660

and i now think that 2 of the mods think themselves above apology's, and have a problem with megalomania. i think you need to talk to these people and tell them they are still human, and so are the people here. they can't just ban a thread's because of one post, or one person.

i now know why you thought that the rules would help, but how they were implemented and carried out i can not.

i know you have heard this before or some of it. i would just like it to be seen instead of lost on live chat or on page 10000 of a forum as a closed thread.

here is that full transcript you wanted, i didnt paste it all because you sounded like an idiot through the entire conversation:

[10:14] <datarecal> hey
[10:17] <DN'Kulanhunter> hay i was very upset to have my thread closed. i would have liked to have resonded befor hand
[10:17] <DN'Kulanhunter> that is what has naffed me off the most
[10:17] <datarecal> the problem is these threads will be never ending if we dont put a stop to them kulan
[10:18] <datarecal> these guys think they are helping rollitup with them but in actuality its hurting us
[10:18] <DN'Kulanhunter> ok then why not let one run people need an outlet
[10:18] <datarecal> there is one
[10:18] <datarecal> the one where i posted the rules
[10:18] <datarecal> but they dont like doing ti because people think toke n talk is a safe haven for them
[10:19] <datarecal> if your going to say something be responsible for it
[10:19] <DN'Kulanhunter> so why dont the mods in form us of that and move the thread as they do with the other?
[10:19] <datarecal> its the first thread in support
[10:20] <datarecal> kulan the only thing we added is not to use vulgar language all the time
[10:20] <datarecal> and we made everyone reaccept them
[10:20] <DN'Kulanhunter> i think people have lost faith in support forum as question lie unacswered for days
[10:21] <datarecal> so goto another forum where i cant find them ?
[10:21] <DN'Kulanhunter> it felt like a telling off
[10:21] <datarecal> doing the best i can here kulan, this is a one man show... i dont bring anyone on because of the safety issues of the users
[10:21] <datarecal> sure there are only some questions i can answer
[10:22] <DN'Kulanhunter> ok i except that as a good reason why can't your staff condut themselevs in the same manner
[10:23] <datarecal> look at what they are facing 10k users against 4 people kulan
[10:23] <datarecal> and what manner are they not conducting in
[10:23] <datarecal> they dont get paid to do this job
[10:23] <datarecal> they do it to help rollitup as a community
[10:24] <DN'Kulanhunter> but the likes if growtech are no good they enrage people insted of calming the situation
[10:25] <datarecal> gr0wtech knows how to use the system, i have talked to him about not being as anal. He is only doing it because I asked him
[10:25] <datarecal> he has no power outside of chat
[10:25] <DN'Kulanhunter> he made thing worse last night as soon as he sais our view were pointless
[10:26] <DN'Kulanhunter> in min just getting breadout of the oven
[10:26] <datarecal> to be honest i have not found anything that you guys have said worth me changing the rules, the cursing rule wont be enforced except for when it gets out of hand
[10:29] <DN'Kulanhunter> this is nice to know but i would like to see a time for the user to answer to a close thread situation. befor it is closed.
[10:29] <DN'Kulanhunter> is this unreasonable ?
[10:29] <datarecal> think about that process though
[10:29] <datarecal> we would have to find the thread we think should be closed
[10:29] <datarecal> then post that we are closing this
[10:29] <datarecal> then wait for you to respond
[10:29] <datarecal> then we close it
[10:30] <datarecal> we have 60k posts per day on here kulan
[10:30] <datarecal> so lets say all mods were on for 24hrs/day
[10:30] <datarecal> hypothetical
[10:30] <DN'Kulanhunter> ok
[10:31] <datarecal> thats 12k posts per day a mod has to go through
[10:31] <DN'Kulanhunter> that 15000 thread each
[10:31] <datarecal> thats 500/hr
[10:31] <DN'Kulanhunter> sorry there is 5 of you
[10:31] <datarecal> if we never slept
[10:31] <datarecal> its not possible
[10:32] <DN'Kulanhunter> so how can you enforce them rules you could stumble on a joke in a thread and cut it even iff everyone is having fun
[10:32] <datarecal> very well could happen, tokentalk very seldom gets closed
[10:32] <datarecal> same with politics
[10:33] <DN'Kulanhunter> it happend last night. can a closed thread be reopened
[10:33] <datarecal> the funny thing is nothing in the rules changes but we need to get rid of problem users and this is the only fair way to do it
[10:33] <datarecal> yup
[10:34] <DN'Kulanhunter> i asked chi to reopen the thread but i was declined. even tho i gave my reasons. i still think the thread was unjusty closed
[10:35] <datarecal> why not post in my thread then
[10:35] <datarecal> its where it belongs
[10:35] <DN'Kulanhunter> ok
[10:35] <datarecal> the i hate rollitup threads are really starting to piss me off.
[10:35] <datarecal> or rollitup is a nazi bastard
[10:35] <datarecal> honestly these guys need to grow up
[10:35] <DN'Kulanhunter> thanks
[10:36] <DN'Kulanhunter> i tried to conduct myself as i see fit.
[10:36] <datarecal> basically this is being blown way out of proportion
[10:37] <DN'Kulanhunter> it could have been stoped with the right campain
[10:37] <datarecal> more then likely but people were complaining there needs to be rules and I was doing 15 things at once
[10:37] <datarecal> just dropped 12k on new servers for the forum
[10:37] <DN'Kulanhunter> a referendum to get veiws first it would have eased tansion
[10:38] <datarecal> would have but i am swamped
[10:38] <datarecal> that is why im holding a discussion in live chat at 4
[10:38] <datarecal> i realize this went ass backwards but the rules i see will be a good thing for RIU
[10:38] <datarecal> and for the members... you see how much drama we have here
[10:39] <datarecal> its ridiculous..... 90% of it is because school is out
[10:39] <DN'Kulanhunter> maybe but people want to feel they have a say
[10:39] <datarecal> yup thats exactly the problem
[10:39] <datarecal> they can have a say but they dont have to use child tactics
[10:40] <datarecal> the rules thread will not be closed
[10:40] <DN'Kulanhunter> they want a community were they feel vaildated
[10:40] <datarecal> i dont got time to validate everyone
[10:41] <datarecal> i built this place as a safe haven for growers, as we get bigger we become more in the spotlight
[10:41] <datarecal> so right now its a make or break
[10:41] <DN'Kulanhunter> no but a few days of a vote would have made a heel of a difference
[10:41] <datarecal> if either spend the time on it and clean it up so we are a respectable contributor to the community or i let it all ride out
[10:42] <DN'Kulanhunter> i do hope you can find the middle ground
[10:42] <datarecal> what really is the problem though witht hem
[10:42] <datarecal> them*
[10:43] <DN'Kulanhunter> the rules you mean or the people against them?
[10:43] <datarecal> the rules
[10:43] <datarecal> in your eyes what are the problems
[10:44] <datarecal> There may be places where explicit, obscene or vulgar language, graphics or behavior is appropriate however Rollitup is not one of those places. Posts containing explicit, obscene or vulgar language will be removed.
[10:44] <datarecal> i dont really think anyone looked at them closely
[10:44] <DN'Kulanhunter> its not so much the rules but how they were impemented. i was going to post in my journal and i had to abide by them before i couls interact with friend. no warning
[10:45] <datarecal> on the other side of things if i asked everyone to read them.. it would not have got done, then when we start handing out infractions "they didnt know"
[10:45] <DN'Kulanhunter> i know the rules have been there before but they look more like a regime than a code of conduct
[10:45] <datarecal> how is this a regine
[10:45] <datarecal> regime
[10:45] <datarecal> Be Cautious
[10:45] <datarecal> Be Appropriate
[10:45] <datarecal> Be Ethical
[10:45] <datarecal> Be Welcoming
[10:46] <datarecal> these are all fundamentals of being a human being
[10:47] <DN'Kulanhunter> no some times we are not, we can be critical and with out critazizum we would not espire to be more than we are
[10:47] <datarecal> where does it say that
[10:48] <datarecal> that you can not have a diff view from someone else
[10:48] <datarecal> im wrong a lot of the time and I would rather be corrected then told I was right
[10:49] <datarecal> debate is key to a good understanding of something
[10:49] <datarecal> but unless it is debated properly no one will get anything out of it
[10:49] <DN'Kulanhunter> sometime you need to be out spoken, now i can hold a debate but some people know no better. are they to be penalized due to a bad education even if they have amazing horticultral knowleage
[10:50] <datarecal> if they stopp to a high school level and start calling someone names well that is their problem
[10:50] <datarecal> stoop*
[10:50] <datarecal> then they get an infraction and hopefully they find a better way next time
[10:50] <datarecal> outspoken has nothing to do with the rules
[10:50] <datarecal> comon kulan
[10:51] <DN'Kulanhunter> to some people profanitys are a norm. it has i was banned due to my opinions
[10:51] <datarecal> profanity is not vulgar though
[10:51] <datarecal> big difference
[10:52] <DN'Kulanhunter> it a pointof view and whois right i am not that wise
[10:52] <datarecal> Profanity is &#8220;the quality or state of being profane&#8221; (see sacred-profane dichotomy). It can also relate to using inappropriate language, or desecration or disrespect toward an object of religious veneration. ...
[10:52] <datarecal> vulgar: having to do with ordinary, common people; rude, uncouth, distasteful, obscene
[10:55] <datarecal> lunch time
[10:55] <datarecal> let it blow over people are just blowing this way out of proportion
[10:55] <DN'Kulanhunter> i am going to have to go wife justcut her finger cutting the bread and its tea time. thank you foryourtime and i will start a thread there. might catch you later.

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[10:18] <DN'Kulanhunter> ok then why not let one run people need an outlet
[10:18] <datarecal> there is one
[10:18] <datarecal> the one where i posted the rules

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Heres another'n...

thank you for showing your true colours their i explained to you before we talked that i have dyslexia and find flowing conversations on live chat a problem.

thank you. for ostracising learning difficulty's as well.

no answer to the other issues then just an insult?

and banned from the live chat/debate. nice no Nazi regime here then.

I have a suggestion for a new rule.

People who bash this site or its staff shouldn't be welcomed to it.

Just my 2 cents.

GrowSpecialist said:

I have a suggestion for a new rule.

People who bash this site or its staff shouldn't be welcomed to it.

Just my 2 cents.

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says the man who has been here a month

Zekedogg said:

says the man who has been here a month

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better watch ya mouth!

him and rolli might be site mingling in a minute!