Roseman's DIY Bubbleponics Tutorial
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Roseman
Elite Rolling Society
If you have questions about YOUR grow, please invite me to YOUR thread, or go here:
Questions about Bubbleponic Growing Thread
or here:
Roseman and purpdaddys guide for my Bubbleponics setup from Stealth Hydroponic
Posting YOUR grow in someone else's thread is called
Hi-jacking a thread.
Asking me questions here about YOUR Grow is
inappropriate.
.
Questions about Bubbleponic Growing Thread
or here:
Roseman and purpdaddys guide for my Bubbleponics setup from Stealth Hydroponic
Posting YOUR grow in someone else's thread is called
Hi-jacking a thread.
Asking me questions here about YOUR Grow is
inappropriate.
.
Roseman
Elite Rolling Society
I can't answer questions about soil grows, I know no knowledge of growing indoors with soil.
This is not a soil thread anyway, nor a thread to ask about YOUR grow. Invite me to YOUR grow thread if you have questions about YOUR grow.
Roseman
Elite Rolling Society
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SpongeBob Squarepants grows hydroponically!
He grows with tiny bubbles, just like you and me!
We ARE Family,
We are The BubbleHeads!
If you want to learn from the greats, Major Tom,
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RPSmoker420, chnk915, and hundreds of other skilled bubbleponic growers, then learn from THE BUBLEHEADS.
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Right click the BubbleHead Logo, save it to your computer, then upload it to your signature.
By adding this Bubblehead Logo to your signature, and claiming membership to the BubbleHeads, you pledge to be very helpful to Newbies with DWC and Bubbleponics with patience and caring and make all other BubbleHeads proud to be a member of the gang. You agree to teach others growing with Bubbles. If you do not know the answer, go get someone else from the BubbleHead Gang to help.
Send or post this invitation to anyone you like and be sure that they know DWC and Bubbleponics and are willing to help newbies.
May the Bubble Force be with us all.
God Bless our Chief BubbleHead, Mostly Crazy!
The BubbleHeads are dedicated to helping others learn to grow in water, simple, fast and easy.
Helpful links:
BubbleHead Logo Post # 10672
CFL Tutorial -
What is Bubbleponics Post # 9835
8 Step Recovery Post # 9838
Start Nutes - Drain and Replinish # 10395
10 Days, 12 days, 15 days, 20 days Post # 9
Temps, Humidity Post # 8491
HARVESTING CURING Post # 6623
Roseman and purpdaddys guide for my Bubbleponics setup from Stealth Hydroponic
Roseman's DIY Bubbleponics-DWC Tutorial
BUBBLEHEADS know how to grow!
SpongeBob Squarepants grows hydroponically!
He grows with tiny bubbles, just like you and me!
We ARE Family,
We are The BubbleHeads!
If you want to learn from the greats, Major Tom,
PurpDaddy, Mostly Crazy, Bongtok4u,, db297, JonnyBtreed, Southern Grower, HomeGrown Hairy, ACGrower, MajPat, tSunami13, BlueyBong, Paranoid420, LongHornFan, SmokeNchoke, hubebaba, peterman990, xpac7007,
RPSmoker420, chnk915, and hundreds of other skilled bubbleponic growers, then learn from THE BUBLEHEADS.
If you can teach DWC and Bubbleponics, am willing to help the new members here, and want to be part of a family, then join us.
Show your logo, show your pride, and show your intelligence and ability to do what most people can not do and that is grow Hydroponically with Feeder Tubes and a Water Pump!
We're not Dirt Bags!
We are The BubbleHeads!!!!!
We are NOT DirtBags!!! We can grow in water!
Right click the BubbleHead Logo, save it to your computer, then upload it to your signature.
By adding this Bubblehead Logo to your signature, and claiming membership to the BubbleHeads, you pledge to be very helpful to Newbies with DWC and Bubbleponics with patience and caring and make all other BubbleHeads proud to be a member of the gang. You agree to teach others growing with Bubbles. If you do not know the answer, go get someone else from the BubbleHead Gang to help.
Send or post this invitation to anyone you like and be sure that they know DWC and Bubbleponics and are willing to help newbies.
May the Bubble Force be with us all.
God Bless our Chief BubbleHead, Mostly Crazy!
The BubbleHeads are dedicated to helping others learn to grow in water, simple, fast and easy.
Helpful links:
BubbleHead Logo Post # 10672
CFL Tutorial -
What is Bubbleponics Post # 9835
8 Step Recovery Post # 9838
Start Nutes - Drain and Replinish # 10395
10 Days, 12 days, 15 days, 20 days Post # 9
Temps, Humidity Post # 8491
HARVESTING CURING Post # 6623
Roseman and purpdaddys guide for my Bubbleponics setup from Stealth Hydroponic
Roseman's DIY Bubbleponics-DWC Tutorial
BUBBLEHEADS know how to grow!
haha nice bubbles
stylez
Active Member
this is a link to my thread. check it out and let me know what you think.https://www.rollitup.org/cfl-growing/215051-my-cfl-t12-grow.html#post3143976
jerkin247
Well-Known Member
roseman knows his shit. feel free to check out my attic grow. bubbleheads unite!!
Roseman
Elite Rolling Society
If you have questions about YOUR grow, please invite me to YOUR thread, or go here:
Questions about Bubbleponic Growing Thread
or here:
Roseman and purpdaddys guide for my Bubbleponics setup from Stealth Hydroponic
Posting YOUR grow in someone else's thread is called
Hi-jacking a thread.
Asking me questions here about YOUR Grow is
inappropriate.
Questions about Bubbleponic Growing Thread
or here:
Roseman and purpdaddys guide for my Bubbleponics setup from Stealth Hydroponic
Posting YOUR grow in someone else's thread is called
Hi-jacking a thread.
Asking me questions here about YOUR Grow is
inappropriate.
Roseman
Elite Rolling Society
I have not told you the daily ppm, (parts per million) of my nutritional solution, because it would not really help you with your grow.
If you use a ppm (TDS - EC) meter, you should first read and follow the instructions on your nutrients.
When I first got started with this grow, I started with 1/4 dose nutes to be safe. A day or two after I saw the second node or 4th leaf, (two sets of two leaves, not counting those first two round leaves), I introduced 1/4 strenght nutes. I increased them to half strenght, or a 2nd dose of 1/4 strenght nutes two days later when I saw the 3rd node. I could safely do this with the Stealth Hydro Nutes. They are not too strong to cause damage at that strenght, especially using CFLS to grow. HID light users can use higher NPK nutes, or stronger strenght nutes.
A day or two later, I saw a 4th node, and increasing the strenght of the nutes again by adding another 1/4 dose, bringing me to FULL-Strenght nutes.
That is when I measured my ppm, but by then, the plants were eating the nutes too. My ppm was only 200 then, and 75 to 100 of that was my well water. In no way am I saying that is what your ppm should be too. I am just telling you what mine was. I was trying for a weaker strenght feeding to make sure I did not burn them up and be emabarrassed. In past grows, I did use more nutes, strongers doses, more often.
After ten days passed, I did a Drain and Replinish. I added back a full dose of nutes and my ppm was 280 that day, telling me my target ppm to stay at the same level during the early VEG or GROW cycle.
As I daily added a half of gallon of water, and a 1/12 packet of nutes, my ppm grew to 330, or bounced between 220 and 340 as they ate. (Before the feeding, it was 220, after the feeding it was up to 340)
By the time I was in my 3rd week, and they were drinking a full gallon of water a day, and I was adding back 1/6 dose of nutes, my ppm was between 360 to 440 daily. But that number is not important to me or you. What is important is tracking it, writing it down daily, to determine how much more nutes I should add or not add.
Let me rephrase this.
Do not worry about the exact number, or any number from a chart or from me and my grow. Instead watch, record, and track how it rises or falls from day to day. The differences between what you have in there on one day, and the readings you get the next day will tell you how much your plants are eating. Of course, you do this daily, at the same time of day.
And remember, just because a gallon of water is gone, does not mean they also ate 1/6 of the nutes. Maybe you had HIGH HEAT and they were very thirsty but not as hungry.
First, determine the ppm of your water sourse. Say it is 100 ppm. Then fill the tank with the proper amount of water and a complete dose of nutes and read the ppm. Say it is 350 for example. If tomorrow a gallon of water is gone, and the ppm says higher than 350, or is still close to 350, then they did not eat and they do not need more nutes, they only need more water. Your reservoir's water and nute solution is more concentrated, telling you to add more water only.
If the ppm went down to say 250 from 350, and a gallon of water is gone, they need a gallon of water, plus enough additonal nutes to bring the ppm back up to 350. And that is the real purpose and use of a ppm meter, to determine that need and how much.
No one can tell you what your ppm should be. It will vary from garden to garden, and vary from different nutrients too.
If your plants are very happy, and drinking and eating at the same level, then the ppm will remain the same daily.
If for example, 1/8 of the water is gone, and 1/8 the nutes are gone, then the concentration remains the same and the ppm will remain the same.
I would like to offer a ppm chart as a rule of thumb or ball park target ppm, but each grow or garden is going to be different.
These numbers are based on EC readings, .500 readings, TDS readings converted from EC or the common Hannah Chart:
Seedlings, Early Sprouts 100 to 250
Early Vegging 300 to 400
Full Vegetation 450 to 700
Early Blooming 750 to 950
Full Mature Blooms 1000 to 1600
(this excludes the ppm of your water)
According to the chart, I am under feeding them and my grow could handle a stronger dose of nutes. But I am playing it safe as an example and as a demonstration.
My grow is 28 days old today, from seeds being introduced to the system, until today. My Bucket Grow plants are 22 inches tall and the oldest tank's plants are 20 inches tall. the 2nd tank's plants are 18 inches tall. I am very proud and happy with that growth.
I admit I normally push them harder, but playing it safe has been much easier.
If you use a ppm (TDS - EC) meter, you should first read and follow the instructions on your nutrients.
When I first got started with this grow, I started with 1/4 dose nutes to be safe. A day or two after I saw the second node or 4th leaf, (two sets of two leaves, not counting those first two round leaves), I introduced 1/4 strenght nutes. I increased them to half strenght, or a 2nd dose of 1/4 strenght nutes two days later when I saw the 3rd node. I could safely do this with the Stealth Hydro Nutes. They are not too strong to cause damage at that strenght, especially using CFLS to grow. HID light users can use higher NPK nutes, or stronger strenght nutes.
A day or two later, I saw a 4th node, and increasing the strenght of the nutes again by adding another 1/4 dose, bringing me to FULL-Strenght nutes.
That is when I measured my ppm, but by then, the plants were eating the nutes too. My ppm was only 200 then, and 75 to 100 of that was my well water. In no way am I saying that is what your ppm should be too. I am just telling you what mine was. I was trying for a weaker strenght feeding to make sure I did not burn them up and be emabarrassed. In past grows, I did use more nutes, strongers doses, more often.
After ten days passed, I did a Drain and Replinish. I added back a full dose of nutes and my ppm was 280 that day, telling me my target ppm to stay at the same level during the early VEG or GROW cycle.
As I daily added a half of gallon of water, and a 1/12 packet of nutes, my ppm grew to 330, or bounced between 220 and 340 as they ate. (Before the feeding, it was 220, after the feeding it was up to 340)
By the time I was in my 3rd week, and they were drinking a full gallon of water a day, and I was adding back 1/6 dose of nutes, my ppm was between 360 to 440 daily. But that number is not important to me or you. What is important is tracking it, writing it down daily, to determine how much more nutes I should add or not add.
Let me rephrase this.
Do not worry about the exact number, or any number from a chart or from me and my grow. Instead watch, record, and track how it rises or falls from day to day. The differences between what you have in there on one day, and the readings you get the next day will tell you how much your plants are eating. Of course, you do this daily, at the same time of day.
And remember, just because a gallon of water is gone, does not mean they also ate 1/6 of the nutes. Maybe you had HIGH HEAT and they were very thirsty but not as hungry.
First, determine the ppm of your water sourse. Say it is 100 ppm. Then fill the tank with the proper amount of water and a complete dose of nutes and read the ppm. Say it is 350 for example. If tomorrow a gallon of water is gone, and the ppm says higher than 350, or is still close to 350, then they did not eat and they do not need more nutes, they only need more water. Your reservoir's water and nute solution is more concentrated, telling you to add more water only.
If the ppm went down to say 250 from 350, and a gallon of water is gone, they need a gallon of water, plus enough additonal nutes to bring the ppm back up to 350. And that is the real purpose and use of a ppm meter, to determine that need and how much.
No one can tell you what your ppm should be. It will vary from garden to garden, and vary from different nutrients too.
If your plants are very happy, and drinking and eating at the same level, then the ppm will remain the same daily.
If for example, 1/8 of the water is gone, and 1/8 the nutes are gone, then the concentration remains the same and the ppm will remain the same.
I would like to offer a ppm chart as a rule of thumb or ball park target ppm, but each grow or garden is going to be different.
These numbers are based on EC readings, .500 readings, TDS readings converted from EC or the common Hannah Chart:
Seedlings, Early Sprouts 100 to 250
Early Vegging 300 to 400
Full Vegetation 450 to 700
Early Blooming 750 to 950
Full Mature Blooms 1000 to 1600
(this excludes the ppm of your water)
According to the chart, I am under feeding them and my grow could handle a stronger dose of nutes. But I am playing it safe as an example and as a demonstration.
My grow is 28 days old today, from seeds being introduced to the system, until today. My Bucket Grow plants are 22 inches tall and the oldest tank's plants are 20 inches tall. the 2nd tank's plants are 18 inches tall. I am very proud and happy with that growth.
I admit I normally push them harder, but playing it safe has been much easier.
tilemaster
Well-Known Member
I hate to interupt Roseman, i did see ur link for bubbleponics quesitions, but i have to cut in for just a wee moment.
1st hats off, impressive techniques, and absolutly aswesome documentation of the various components to ur ways. love the detail. soaked up all 26pages
Im a true dirt grower. although i use a areo cloner to feed my rooms. ive been so impressed i dropped down and and build the 5gal bubbleponic 3 siter. with the feeders and a 180gpm. just threw 3 clones in there.
Heres the question, as they get larger do u feel they need there own 5gal or 3gal bucket, wut are the limitations on mulitple plants and sizes in these buckets ? Seems like they go so bananas in this system the out shade each other. Youve shown how to do it under cfl in small closets, how would u do it on a commercial level?
again thanx for all the great info!
1st hats off, impressive techniques, and absolutly aswesome documentation of the various components to ur ways. love the detail. soaked up all 26pages
Im a true dirt grower. although i use a areo cloner to feed my rooms. ive been so impressed i dropped down and and build the 5gal bubbleponic 3 siter. with the feeders and a 180gpm. just threw 3 clones in there.
Heres the question, as they get larger do u feel they need there own 5gal or 3gal bucket, wut are the limitations on mulitple plants and sizes in these buckets ? Seems like they go so bananas in this system the out shade each other. Youve shown how to do it under cfl in small closets, how would u do it on a commercial level?
again thanx for all the great info!
Theanswerto1984is1776
Member
Hey Roseman,plants are looking great! Please swing over to my grow journal, as I have a question or two for you. Link is under my signature. I would greatly appreciate it!
jerkin247
Well-Known Member
If you have questions about YOUR grow, please invite ROSEMAN to YOUR thread, or go here:
Questions about Bubbleponic Growing Thread
kiss-ass
tilemaster
Well-Known Member
as i mentioned, i already saw that, but thanks for the jerkin
Roseman
Elite Rolling Society
That is really a deep question about this system and a question I would like to answer or address. The direct answer is you play the odds or go by the probablility of a maximum yield.
Let me start with I am sure you are familiar with the term SOG, Sea of Green. It is based on a grow procedure or the theory of harvesting lots of small plants, matured early to get the fastest production of buds available. In a SOG, you start plants very closely cramped together, and you do not let them mature before starting 12/12, or Flowering. You VEG for only a few days, and BLOOM or FLOWER for 8 weeks, giving you a harvest in less than 9 weeks. If you repeat the process, over a year's time, you harvest 6 times. The theory is over the 54 weeks, you get 6 crops, and you havest more often, giving a larger yield over a year's time. If I VEG for 6 weeks, and Bloom for 8 weeks, I get a larger yield per crop, but I only harvest about 4 times in 56 weeks. Growers theorize that over a year's time of 56 weeks, the 6 crops will give a total yield larger than the 4 crops or 4 harvests.
Well,that is all a theory to be tried and tested. I am not 100% certain that theory is a fact but it sounds good.
Well, the same theory applies to growing them cramped in that 6 cup reservoir container.........or the three in that 5 gallon bucket.
To start with, the three in the 5 gallon bucket compared to the 6 in the tank is a bust or not the wisest way to go, price wise. I have half the number of plants in the bucket than I do in the tank, but I am not using half the nutes or half the time, half the expense, half the work, or half the worry and efforts. Consequently, the 3 plants in the 5 gallon bucket is not the wisest way to go for sure. BUT, if you are on a limited budget and have limited resources for equipment, and if you want to buy your equipment at Walmart, Lowes and Home Depot, and want to do a DIY grow, and learn hydroponics and bubbleponics growing, it is a great and thrifty way to do it.
The 6 plants in the reservoir, well, the same theory applies. Yes, the 6 plants are very cramped today in that reservoir. I am sure the cramping and shading makes them smaller to some small degree, compared to having them in 6 separate buckets, be it one gallon, three gallons or 5 gallon buckets.
BUT, also consider and compare the expense of multiple buckets, and the space used for separate or multiple buckets. When price, work efforts and yield are all compared, the 6 cup reservoir container is the best, most efficient way and most economical way to grow compared to multiple buckets.
Let me also state here, the 6 cup reservoir is marketed as a Starter Kit. It is an excellent way to get started growing, and to learn hydroponic growing. It is economical too compared to the more expensive systems. The KIT is complete with 2 3-way extension cords, rockwool cubes, hydroton, grow cups, reservoir tank, nutrients, pH test Strips, pH Up and Down, air and water pumps, a 12 inch air stone, a timer and even the lights and reflectors. You get everything you need except for the seeds, water and a small fan. And although it is designed as a STARTER KIT, I have grown 46 inch tall plants in it and I always grow three mature adult females after removing three males from the tank.
If I wanted to do a commercial grow, there is a way to hook up multiple tanks that I would consider.
tilemaster
Well-Known Member
could we talk about the hooking together of multiple tanks or buckets for a minute, thanks for addressing this issue. youve hit on some good points. i was just thinking of all the time itll take to do 6 more buckets for the flower room, to support the 2..3 site buckets in veg. alot of draining of ea..6 more manifolds, 6 more pumps, 3 more massive air pumps, would be nice if supported of 1 rez tank.
i love the feeder tubes dumping constant oxygen and the way the roots intially hang in the air until they submerge . .. .
i just need to design a more commericial type of bubbleponics to hold more, and for a HID grow
i love the feeder tubes dumping constant oxygen and the way the roots intially hang in the air until they submerge . .. .
i just need to design a more commericial type of bubbleponics to hold more, and for a HID grow
MostlyCrazy
New Member
Rose, on your question about the ppm in your grow. I'd say you go by the premeasured packs and add one and consider that a full nute charge. It's either that or you new ppm meter is messed up somehow or you are! LOL!
LBCroll
Member
Roseman,
Nice stealth setup that you have going there, and two thumbs up (RIP Siskel) on the vegging production! In all of the hydro/aero threads that I've been searching through, it seems that most roads lead back to the Roseman. Allbeit that I'm a "stranger", I feel that I could speak for any of your current or former readers and say many thanks for the wealth of knowledge that you have been passing on.
I have a 2 quick questions about your lighting... 1. I see that your current setup is running off CFL's, but in any prior grows, have you ever used T5's, if so what's your opinion of them? ... and ...
2. Since I'm too chicken to post my current grow pics, thus negating a link... I wanted to see if you might be able to shoot me a PM about an interesting lighting/training concept that I ran by my local hydro rep. **I understand that threadjacking is irritating, that's why I suggested a quick PM to keep the audience attention on your grow**
Experiment small to get Big Results.
Nice stealth setup that you have going there, and two thumbs up (RIP Siskel) on the vegging production! In all of the hydro/aero threads that I've been searching through, it seems that most roads lead back to the Roseman. Allbeit that I'm a "stranger", I feel that I could speak for any of your current or former readers and say many thanks for the wealth of knowledge that you have been passing on.
I have a 2 quick questions about your lighting... 1. I see that your current setup is running off CFL's, but in any prior grows, have you ever used T5's, if so what's your opinion of them? ... and ...
2. Since I'm too chicken to post my current grow pics, thus negating a link... I wanted to see if you might be able to shoot me a PM about an interesting lighting/training concept that I ran by my local hydro rep. **I understand that threadjacking is irritating, that's why I suggested a quick PM to keep the audience attention on your grow**
Experiment small to get Big Results.