Ron Paul on Snowden

beardo · Jun 12, 2013

UncleBuck said:
ask yourself which right trumps: the rights of the police to conduct a mission against an armed psycho shooting at them, or the right of NBC to send their helicopter in to boost ratings?

they're gonna side with the guys getting shot at every time.

Liberty was also attacked on that day

echelon1k1 · Jun 12, 2013

desert dude said:
I think you're right, and it is unconstitutional. Freedom of the press and all that stuff.

The document is hundreds of years old and written by a bunch of old white men and it is "alive", so who knows what it means, obviously nothing.

CRIME SCENE is a subjective term these days... Especially when you can just ship a "crime scene" off to china...

budlover13 · Jun 12, 2013

Snowden is a patriot and a hero imo.

echelon1k1 · Jun 12, 2013

UncleBuck said:
and how in the hell is your retarded line about "reading compensation" out of context at all?

you called me a liar for claiming that oregon ROUTINELY* sends OMMP info to the feds, and then showing that oregon sends OMMP info to the feds.

Routinely and you're own link proved there was nothing routine about it. 1 subpoena and 1 warrant in 6 years. Warrant even wanted dosage amounts, type etc... As for "reading compensation", well we've all seen that definitions are meaningless and all context is lost on you...

echelon1k1 · Jun 13, 2013

UncleBuck said:
sounds like nontheist knows a thing or two about treating an irritated vagina.

i bet his horse of a wife gave him a decent education all about that, in between munching on apples and carrots and grazing in the field.

Buck, Horses, Mrs. Hands, Education, $7k & a masters in TDS...

Now you're all set to move to sanfran...

iMPAiREd · Jun 13, 2013

OGEvilgenius said:
The digging will stop when it's revealed it started under prior administrations. Book it.

I don't think it's ever going to stop. Do you really think the NSA is just going to say, "OK, they want us to stop, so we will".

It's messed up.

londonfog · Jun 13, 2013

desert dude said:
Nothing to worry about, obviously. As Obama pointed out, "there are lots of people warning you about the dangers of an ever expanding government, a government that acts in secret, etc. Bitches, don't worry, we got this."

"We should be thankful for individuals like Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald who see injustice being carried out by their own government and speak out, despite the risk. They have done a great service to the American people by exposing the truth about what our government is doing in secret.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SjfS2cAaf1g

Here is RP in 1984 warning about the government snooping on citizens via computer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAWmKpBeEz0&feature=player_embedded

He crossed the line giving info directly to China.

londonfog · Jun 13, 2013

budlover13 said:
Snowden is a patriot and a hero imo.

A patriot by giving information to China???...explain

ginwilly · Jun 13, 2013

GOD HERE said:
Ron Paul is a misguided guy. Sure he talks the talk when it comes to civil liberties, but he doesn't take into account the toll his pro free market stance would have on those liberties. He's an Ayn Rand cultist.

And the fact that he named his son "Rand" is disturbing.

Uh, you mean Randal?

ginwilly · Jun 13, 2013

UncleBuck said:
there's a massive difference between an auto accident and a couple of people tossing bombs about. it's just inane to even attempt a comparison between the two.

and given the choice between losing a day or two of work and shuffling off this mortal coil, which one would you choose?

seems like an aspiring lawyer would know how to spell words like "staggering" as well.

so you're saying the government killed people during the ensuing search and didn't report it?

The only reason they found the guy is because they lifted the lockdown and a guy went outside and saw him in his boat. The lockdown prevented his capture for a day.

Yay!

UncleBuck · Jun 13, 2013

ginwilly said:
The only reason they found the guy is because they lifted the lockdown and a guy went outside and saw him in his boat. The lockdown prevented his capture for a day.

Yay!

the lockdown did less damage than the bombs did.

bundee1 · Jun 13, 2013

Maybe the government should and will think twice knowing people have the access, will, and tech to keep their overreaching asses in check.

Internet 2 - Government BS 0

ginwilly · Jun 13, 2013

UncleBuck said:
the lockdown did less damage than the bombs did.

But not as much as Bonaroo. Both have about equal credit in his capture. Not sure of your point here.

Bonaroo however did not hinder the capture at all.

budlover13 · Jun 13, 2013

londonfog said:
A patriot by giving information to China???...explain

Patriot for informing the American public. If we were privy to all the info, China would be as well yes? What happens to the info once it's public is inconsequential imo.

echelon1k1 · Jun 13, 2013

londonfog said:
A patriot by giving information to China???...explain

Says who? Obamas admin. that leaks like a sieve? What information did he allegedly hand over?

londonfog · Jun 14, 2013

budlover13 said:
Patriot for informing the American public. If we were privy to all the info, China would be as well yes? What happens to the info once it's public is inconsequential imo.

No Patriot would tell China our tactics and how to do them, nor would a patriot directly supply China with hurtful information about our nation. I'm all for telling AMERICANS whats going on, but this guy stepped way over that line.

londonfog · Jun 14, 2013

echelon1k1 said:
Says who? Obamas admin. that leaks like a sieve? What information did he allegedly hand over?

actually its a popular Communist Party-backed newspaper thats claims he has documents downloaded from the post in hawaii where he worked that showed the U.S. has been hacking into Chinese computer networks for years. He is showing how we do it and what we did. Snowden reportedly went to hong kong with four laptops loaded with top secret documents. You support someone doing this ???

londonfog · Jun 14, 2013

I rarely agree with her, but I must say Winter Woman said it best.

Winter Woman said:
A whistleblower goes to Washington D.C. and a traitor goes to China.

Padawanbater2 · Jun 14, 2013

I was under the assumption he went to China to avoid extradition laws. That's actually the same thing Bill O'Reilly said, the DC, China comparison, except he would be immediately arrested for treason under US law if he went to DC and exposed it. So, go to China, expose it and take your chances on the lam, or go to DC, get arrested, probably never heard from again... If it were me, I'd probably have chosen a different country than China, but I sure as fuck wouldn't have stayed in the states or gone to an extradition country, that's down right stupid, especially this day in age and with how Manning's situation is being handled.

londonfog · Jun 14, 2013

Padawanbater2 said:
I was under the assumption he went to China to avoid extradition laws. That's actually the same thing Bill O'Reilly said, the DC, China comparison, except he would be immediately arrested for treason under US law if he went to DC and exposed it. So, go to China, expose it and take your chances on the lam, or go to DC, get arrested, probably never heard from again... If it were me, I'd probably have chosen a different country than China, but I sure as fuck wouldn't have stayed in the states or gone to an extradition country, that's down right stupid, especially this day in age and with how Manning's situation is being handled.

So let me get this right...He was against what our government was doing to its people, so he runs off to a country that treats her people even worst and shares info on what we are doing, how we are doing it and also what we are doing to them. Guy sounds like a paid spy to me.

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