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Ron paul 2012`
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UncleBuck
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you are such a scholar.
name me a few strong nations that have abolished public schools
OGEvilgenius
Well-Known Member
America became a very strong nation without the Department of Education (which is all he wants to abolish). Do you even know when the Dept of Education came into existence? I watched your video (which is extremely old by the way) and his position is extremely reasonable. He never once says he wants to just get rid of public schools tomorrow. He said he'd like to see more competition and that in his ideal world schools would be entirely private, but he also acknowledges that the practicality of such things means that nothing will ever happen over night.name me a few strong nations that have abolished public schools
Do you think America's education system is in good shape? Has it been improving? Why are you against new ideas? Why are you in support of the Dept of Education (again, do you know when it first came into existence?)?
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
talking to you is like talking to the kitchen table.
in the video i posted, ron paul states unequivocally that he wants to privatize all schools, not simply abolish the department of education.
not particularly. but if my plants are not in good shape, i don't just throw them out and start cooking meth instead, i nurture the plants back into good shape.
how is privatizing all schools a new idea when ron paul has been pitching it since at least 1988?
why do you continue to make assumptions about me?
all i said was that ron paul wants to privatize all schools. i thought that was something that people might like to know.
if you can go quote where i said that i support the department of education, i will send you a free ounce of weed.
anything else you want to discuss, kitchen table?
OGEvilgenius
Well-Known Member
Actually, he says what he would do is try to introduce school vouchers to promote competition. That's what he says he would do in that video. He says in a perfect world he'd like to see all schools private, but he acknowledged that it wasn't practical in the short term to get there and the best they could hope to do was introduce policy that helps promote competition in the short term. That's what he said. He did not say he would abolish public schools tomorrow, which is what you imply. And if you really think that, you ought to be the one wearing the dunce cap, not me.talking to you is like talking to the kitchen table.
in the video i posted, ron paul states unequivocally that he wants to privatize all schools, not simply abolish the department of education.
And that's all well and good, I'm not personally against the notion of public education, however I do have major issues with it going beyond regional/state governments due to issues of taxation and representation as well the danger of a centralized monopoly on something so important as education.
Perhaps new idea was the wrong word, different ideas on how to fix fundamental problems with the education system perhaps would have been a better question. And as I stated before, as long as you have the monetary system you have in place none of these tertiary issues even matter as you are totally 100% fucked in the long run anyway.
And you've certainly been very dishonest about his position too. He has stated time and again, all he wants to do is abolish the dept of education. He's never made it a secret as to why or what he'd personally prefer. But he's also always acknowledged that what he personally prefers isn't necessarily what everyone prefers (which ironically, is a large part of the reason he wants to eliminate the Dept of Education, which by the way, since you don't know, was founded in 1979). He's personally against abortions too, but he's always stated that it's a state to state issue.
With you? Not really. You're not much into discussion.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
let me recap your argument: "yeah, ron paul wants to abolish public education, but he is such an extremist that he would be completely ineffectual at implementing his goals, as they go directly against the will of the american people, so no worries, bro."
that's a great quality to have in a leader, an ineffectual extremist whose ideas are widely hated by americans everywhere
yes, you've argued this before.
if you don't like the fact that your children are being taught that all humans originated 6,000 years ago from two people in a garden eating an apple offered to them by a talking snake, they can just uproot their whole existence and move elsewhere.
awesome
perhaps instead of rolling the dice with something so important as the education of our populace by throwing out the baby with the bathwater (i.e., abolishing public education), we can take cues from countries with a better model in place, like scandinavia.
what a novel fucking concept
here comes the kitchen table again.
he is on record stating that he wants to abolish all public schools.
ron paul's utopia is one where you go to "subway U" for your education.
jesus fucking christ. you have to be kidding me. do you suppose this is why the 2008 version of the "ron paul revolution" garnered about 40,000 votes, a whopping 0.0003% or so of people who voted?
i mean, for fuck sake, ALAN KEYES got more votes than ron paul.
your "revolution" sucks
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I'll address this point.
I do not agree.
It would affect me, and it would most definitely affect my children.
There are several states where the teaching of proper science would be badly undercut by the creationism activists. The kids going to schools in that state will be taught shite, and this will directly affect 1) their ability to reason critically, and 2) their reason to trust and work within society, if it taught them such shite.
Those madeducated people won't all stay in their states. They'll try to enter the labor market in other, more prosperous states. This will have a direct effect on the economic health of where I live.
I will defend an individual's right to be an ignorant fool. I will definitely not extend that courtesy to a civil servant/politician or any gov't agency. cn
Uncle Buck,
Your the only person hating on Ron Paul on this thread. Just give it up man. Ron Paul is the only presidential Candidate that shows any sign of intelligence in this election and is also the only candidate who brings up valid points on how to attempt to fix this countries problems. Watch the next Debate, You'll notice after Paul speaks all other candidates will say the exact same answer as he has stated.
Let me ask you this, Who are you voting for ? Who in your mind do you see fit to run this country.
P.s.
And whats up with you and turtle fucking bro? That's some weird shit ..
Your the only person hating on Ron Paul on this thread. Just give it up man. Ron Paul is the only presidential Candidate that shows any sign of intelligence in this election and is also the only candidate who brings up valid points on how to attempt to fix this countries problems. Watch the next Debate, You'll notice after Paul speaks all other candidates will say the exact same answer as he has stated.
Let me ask you this, Who are you voting for ? Who in your mind do you see fit to run this country.
P.s.
And whats up with you and turtle fucking bro? That's some weird shit ..
OGEvilgenius
Well-Known Member
Well, the vouchers idea helped get George Bush elected (with a little help from some election fraud and the Supreme Court). His ideas are not extreme, they are simply ideas. And he genuinely believes in his ideas, no doubt, but he's not dogmatic about them and he's willing to listen to all ideas and isn't going to ignore his constituents. To me, these are strong qualities for a leader.let me recap your argument: "yeah, ron paul wants to abolish public education, but he is such an extremist that he would be completely ineffectual at implementing his goals, as they go directly against the will of the american people, so no worries, bro."
that's a great quality to have in a leader, an ineffectual extremist whose ideas are widely hated by americans everywhere
It is unlikely this is what ends up in public schools if he's elected. I realize your fear that people with different ideas, and can even appreciate it on some level as all of us probably can, but they are people with rights too. Ron Paul's primary focus (and what he wants the governments focus to be on) is protecting the rights of all people. It's a factor as to why he's not in favor of a lot of socialist programs, because not everyone supports them and so you end up taxing people to support things they don't really. As we should all realize, this tends to create resentment amongst people. See: The world of politics today as an example. There's also other reasons for not supporting socialist programs, and we could have a debate about that, but that isn't really the important issue anyway. I'm not sold either way on socialism or the market economy being the savior of anything. No, what I am in favor of is the abolition of the system that is truly the source of most of our problems today and increasing personal liberties (something that also frequently come into conflict with socialist programs). Basically banking reform is my top priority and Ron Paul is the only serious candidate talking sensibly about it, as well as being the only candidate in favor of limited government (meaning they can't do whatever the hell they want, ie: he wants to get rid of the Patriot Act et al, not just limited in the sense of having less functions) and personal freedom of choice that is up to my standards (You wanna kill yourself? Go nuts. Get high? Go for it. Hurt someone else? The line gets drawn.).yes, you've argued this before.
if you don't like the fact that your children are being taught that all humans originated 6,000 years ago from two people in a garden eating an apple offered to them by a talking snake, they can just uproot their whole existence and move elsewhere.
awesome
He specifically states in that interview that he was not in favor of throwing the baby out with the bathwater but instead was for an incremental approach to what he believes will result in great improvement in education (of which standards have been steadily declining for decades with the public system, despite having gone through MANY changes, all of them in the name of improvement, almost none of them actually resulting in it). By the way, I don't think there's anyone in their right mind who would doubt that the best private schools in the world far exceed the education standards of the best public. The only immediate change he would (or could) make is the elimination of the Dept of Education which only came into existence in 1979. The States would still have their own school systems and tax base.perhaps instead of rolling the dice with something so important as the education of our populace by throwing out the baby with the bathwater (i.e., abolishing public education), we can take cues from countries with a better model in place, like scandinavia.
what a novel fucking concept
By the way, I'm not personally against public schools either. In fact I think they're a good thing to have. But I also prefer a regional approach to them. Fortunately in Canada the Federal government is constitutionally not allowed to run the education system. Unfortunately they have other powers they can use to get provinces to bend to their will (notably transfer payments, but I'm sure you don't know anything about this and you probably don't care so
). You really are a disrespectful guy. .
His utopia would involve kids going to schools like Trinity and then graduating to places like Harvard or Yale where they go on to get a PhD in whatever field they love. Or alternately, to go a great school like trinity and then head to a trade school or just out into the work force because there are plenty of reasonably paying jobs available to everyone in the country because the monetary system has been revamped and people are amazed at the transformation in the economy (which would happen quite fast actually). You would be happily cultivating your fields of herb while your kids are off in their classes (no more than 6 or 7 kids a class!) and your wife or partner is doing whatever it is they enjoy doing/working.he is on record stating that he wants to abolish all public schools.
ron paul's utopia is one where you go to "subway U" for your education.
jesus fucking christ. you have to be kidding me. do you suppose this is why the 2008 version of the "ron paul revolution" garnered about 40,000 votes, a whopping 0.0003% or so of people who voted?
i mean, for fuck sake, ALAN KEYES got more votes than ron paul.
your "revolution" sucks
Ron Paul finished 2nd in Iowa straw poll voting last I saw. I have no idea where he's polling at in some of the early primary states currently, but I do know he's been pretty consistently in the top 2 or 3 candidates in polls. So, way to go in your attempts to diminish him? Honestly, I'm not sure what your problem is. What are you scared of?
OGEvilgenius
Well-Known Member
Believing in creationism has little to do with being able to be reasonable or think critically. It's a belief. We all have them. Most of the crap you believe you couldn't prove if you wanted to. I don't like this attitude I see from lots of people towards folks who believe in God or creation or what have you. They are just beliefs. We just need to get along with each other. I know plenty of highly reasonable people that believe in God and Creationism (and gasp, some of them even believe in Evolution too!).
They could say the same about you, wouldn't make them any more right or wrong. You can only judge someone by their actions and words and you're being pretty arrogant if you think all creationists are somehow lower than you are (exactly the message you are sending). To me this is not an important issue. The only important thing is respecting one another in every way possible (rights, property and yes, even feelings!) and being honest and honorable. That's all anyone can really ask. I think your concerns are largely unfounded and stem from your own personal biases more than anything. I don't mean to offend, so I apologize if I have.
RyanTheRhino
Well-Known Member
fuck Obama
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I am not arguing against religion or belief. However creationism is so much more than that imo ... it is a serious effort to fit the square peg of reality into the round hole of the-book-said-so. I firmly believe that any who espouse that view, with such arrant nonsense as an actual Noachic flood, a young earth and fossils slated into the geological record "to test one's faith" ... as having visibly failed a sanity test. And the would-be reformers of our educational system are extremists ... they aren't interested in pluralism.
I have no issue with creationists doing this on their own time, although the home-schooling trend bothers me ... it is tailor-made for the preservation and propagation of aggressive memes. I respect and would protect even the home-schooling thing because imo it is the lesser of evils; the greater being an excessive conformism. But when creationists, New Agers or other (imo!) demonstrated dissenters from common wisdom want to inject their agenda into the educational baseline, I will stand and say No. cn
UncleBuck
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UncleBuck
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what'd you do with your tax breaks?
i fucking hate it when they cut my taxes, so i fully sympathize with you.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
abolishing public education is not extreme?
LOL!
but hey, if it did happen, you can just uproot your entire family and move somewhere else if you want them to learn about actual science.
at least that's what you believe.
this is why i continue to talk about the kitchen table.
he said he wants to abolish all public schools, and you keep willfully ignoring it.
give it up.
will he also clean my garage once a month and abolish stubbed toes?
you ron paul supporters live in la la land.
i'm not scared of anything. i have no need to diminish him, he does it to himself by penning racist newsletters and taking extremist views.
i do enjoy making sport out of ron paul worshippers. and some of you guys make it WAY too easy.
UncleBuck
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i don't mind ron paul so much, actually.damnit, i agree with UB. hate when that happens.
j/k UB! He takes it all too far. Plus, no one wants a president with cataracts as bad as his. He could sign the wrong paper or something, fuck it all up
his cultish supporters and worshippers, however....
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
you can tell from the debates that his cataracts are really bad. that is no bueno.i don't mind ron paul so much, actually.
his cultish supporters and worshippers, however....
he is great for the nation as an individual. as the republican candidate, lmao, not a snowball's chance in hell.
all this Ron Paul 2012 to a room full of registered dems. lol barking up the wrong tree i'd say. WOOF!