Riot seeds

why would bodhi talk about this child molester?

I would never waste my time breeding with plants that I am unfamiliar with,

the plants that I will make seed with I have ran several times, and they handled heavy feedings, and high heat stress, flowered too long, and never thought of throwin a nanner.

If I do make seed from a plant I only ran once, I will just keep a close eye on them in a test run, no big deal.

Making seed is about as easy as falling off a log, I made my first seed back in 91 as a total greenhorn and they came out just fine.

anyone thinks somas seeds are worth the asking? i want that g13 haze x nycd

skunkd0c said:

From growing out my own s1 over the years i have found them to be very uniform pretty much identical to the mother in most cases, im sure others may have different results.

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I think this really depends on what the parent you're growing S1s from. If you're starting with a fairly stable line, the S1s should be similar to each other and the parent.
If the parent itself is an unstable polyhybrid, it will put out lots of different phenos if crossed.

Think of it this way: An S1 is just a sexual cross of a plant with itself, basically like an F2 of the S1s parents.

quite a few are selling s1 [ceeds], off the top of my head
ograskal the white s1
dr greenthumb ogkush s1 cheese and about 5 other s1's
sick med seeds green crack s1

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Lots of people sell these, but just because someone is selling them, doesn't mean you should be buying. Lots of these are hermie-prone or give off phenos that vary enough from the clone only line that there is little point to buying them.

An S1 can, at least in some cases, give you many of the characteristics of the parent, especially if you have the ability to go through lots of plants to pick out the best pheno.

So if you "must" try Green Crack, for example, and can't get a cut, an S1 is probably as close as you're going to get. That strain in particular is probably an F1 of two inbred lines, meaning that an S1 is effectively an unselected F2. But in general, you can't expect that most S1s will be like a clone only parent, and if you're doing your selection from a pack of only six ceeds, the odds probably aren't with you.

its seems from reading this type of stuff over the years shanti chimera dj short, nevil maybe even sam the skunk man lol and a few select others, are kind of on a short list as breeders , the rest are pollen chuckers or hackers

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The list is quite a bit longer than just those guys, but most of the others don't have any famous "name" lines that they developed, and therefore aren't at the point where their names are as well known.

skunkd0c said:

it would be like saying, only those that can play an instrument read music and write all their own songs and produce all their own albums should be respected
which maybe a fair point, but what if i do not like the type of music this respected musician has created ?
should i be forced to say it is better than the music i enjoy because it was created by a "professional"

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The difference here is that music quality is largely subjective, and is subject to the opinion of the listener. But many of the features associated with proper breeding (eg potency, stability, disease resistance, etc) are objective.

Again, I have zero problem with "pollen chucking" per se. My problem is with pollen chuckers claiming these sorts of hacks are the best on the market (when they're clearly not) and asking top dollar for them.

gudkarma said:

nobody owns the genetics ?
pretty soon people gonna start dissing sannie for making his own jack... which i NEVER see called "jack" ...but ALWAYS "sannie's jack".

^ its name implies OWNERSHIP

^ ^ @ f7 soon to be f8 you mean to tell me its okay to boost that , make seeds , market seeds , sell seeds , without even asking dude ? who owns a biz, has a mortgage, pays taxes, etc ?

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Just for clarification, Sannie has been fully open about where he got the original genetics for his Jack, and what he's done to work the line. He's been doing specific selections on that one for nearly 10 years already, and think to the extent that any breeder can legitimately claim title to a line, he can to his Jack.

& & & imo , strictly , people who think gsc is a strain are retarded... its a phenotype of cherry pie x durban.

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They're not "retarded", they're just not being precise about how they use the term "strain" (and most aren't). The fact is, many, perhaps MOST cannabis drug "strains" aren't, really.

By definition, a strain is a group of plants that share similar characteristics. Unstable polyhybrid clone only plants like GSC and others may well be excellent in their own right, but they're effective "one offs", and not true strains.

I have never bought any s1 only grown my own, from my own results i would not be put off buying s1 seeds, although i can not account for how they are produced by others i would rather grow regular seeds and select the phenotype i like
s2 that i have grown were very high hemi prone

from the end user or grower or seed buyers point of view getting a plant that is a good likeness of what is advertised is mostly what i think folk care about
s1 would offer a better chance over many strains of finding something similar to the parent if that is what people want
in reality folk often do not get what is advertised which is not a surprise since most seeds on offer will only be f1 and f2
although if they get plants of a good standard they will most likely be happy

i think you are not looking at this from the perspective of the seed buyer most of which have no knowledge of genetics or breeding they just want nice plants
and are not so concerned with the hierarchy of the breeding world , while some breeders maybe more respected than other breeders
these elite breeders are still well capable of producing plants i do not like and still produce strains that show lots of phenotype diversity

many folk have bought packets of blueberry from dj short and not ended up with anything that great others have great keepers
its kind of a lottery when only growing a pack or two of any virtually any strain/cross which possibly makes up for the bulk of seed sales
folk just buying one or two packs of each strain/cross

folk could just as likely find a winner in a less respected breeders pack of 10
at the end user level it is subjective to taste and needs, there is no holly grail plant

folk on this very forum tell me a plant cant be good because it came from seedsman or barneys since those breeders are not on the hierarchy list, anything i would grow from them is inferior to anything from shanti or whoever is the flavor of the month

i like to be the judge for myself, i have no loyalty to any of the breeders/seed sellers, while some may have a higher chance of finding a winner its still a lottery for the end user or seed buyer
greenhouse seeds and riot seeds must have the worst reputations in the industry and the most haters but they are still selling seeds
subcool is not so popular around here as he once was, but he is still selling seeds too, not sure if the negative publicity is working to stop folk buying these seeds

i personally would let others make their own minds up and keep out of it
and leave the breeders to their lofty arguments over genetics too

peace

id like to hear about the white s1s from ogr or the s1s connesoir genetics has...

greenghost420 said:

id like to hear about the white s1s from ogr or the s1s connesoir genetics has...

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ive looked at some of their strains too, the hey dave looks nice which is fem not s1, not keen on the name but that doesn't matter
they have casey jones s1 the white and one or two others

not heard too much about the white from ogr, but whitefire which was fem was good, lots of good reports out there on that one
heard mixed results on dr greenthumb never grown anything from him they are expensive too
he has all the main money spinners in s1 lol, OGkush cheese bubba kush and sour d
i have seen some good things from one of the growers here on RIU with sickmed seeds there Williams wonder looks nice they have a few s1s that are well priced green crack and a fire og cross
i still tend to go for regular seeds, and many of the crosses/strains that take my fancy at the time are not in fem i still wouldn't rule out some of the s1s though

Jogro said:

So if you "must" try Green Crack, for example, and can't get a cut, an S1 is probably as close as you're going to get. That strain in particular is probably an F1 of two inbred lines, meaning that an S1 is effectively an unselected F2. But in general, you can't expect that most S1s will be like a clone only parent, and if you're doing your selection from a pack of only six ceeds, the odds probably aren't with you

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i am basing this on my own experiences with s1s which may not be of value to anyone else, but is of value to me as i trust my own experiences
the last strain i grew s1s from was original misty from homegrown fantaseeds, on the seed run i had 5 females that were very different i do not think any of them really matched the strain description
but i was happy with one of them all producing very different buds from skunky to hashy to lemony
i decided to keep the hashy plant i cloned it for a while and also some naturally occurring end of cycle s1 seeds not forced

i grew out only 5 of these seeds at first i only had a very low number of seeds anyway 3 of them were vigorous and were kept full term
1 of them was similar to the hashy mother, the other two were like clones of the mother practically identical, yet they came from a strain/cross that showed a reasonable amount of phenotype diversity even though they were all big indicas , i have done this with a few strains, while my limited experience with s1 does not prove anything universally i accept that, i would be more likely to try the s1s of others as i know they can work well. i still have some angel heart s1 and some biker kush s1 from previous run, i may run them soon, and see how close they are to their old mother keepers

peace

no worries bliss ! opinions can differ.
like i say when you come to the "argument" (not yell type , smart type) bring your opinion & proof & sound logic.

this aint a spelling bee & this aint for grades.
tell it like you see & research it.

& i know when you do photo, you bang those ladies right.
you grow lots of good gear with passion & love.

& end of the day , your space is yours.

& no need to keep commenting on this thread.
i done did prove my point.

===> from seed to cuts to seed banks to grow gear to internet weed buddies <===

in the canna internet game :

thieves.

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thieve.

^ from now till infinity.

just play the game smart. learn from your mistakes.

^^ heath robinson & i & y'all & especially riot's medical customers know the same thing.

Gotham trying to talk shit without spreading rep?? Tsk...tsk... should no better. Yo Gud don't let the negged out folks bug ya. A lot of em showing up on riu as of late.

If the so called elite respected breeders were so great and their strains always reliable, i would assume
the quality of their work would set such a high standard given enough time it should force the pollen chuckers and their inferior work out of the market

why has this not happened ?

calling each other fag or other such homosexual insinuations gudkarma being the main culprit doesn't lend any weight to your argument

never did understand the mentality of the sycophant
having such an interest in other folk's business, trying to score brownie points

F(ake)

A(ss)

G(rower)

thanks bro BUT your opinion isnt one i share.
big college words aside.

and i've decided that you dont own the lexicon either.
i've taken back that word & modified for my personal use.

language being flexible and all.
p/c comments being for bitches and all.
and im not worried about weight to my argument.

just look at drank's.
then look at mine.

better than the weights used to send bin laden , wig pealed back , to the ocean floor.

look at what i posted about riot.
look at what TSD crew posts.

TSD should post a FAG link to riots subsection & then after you laugh a little ...that link will usher you to riots space in TSD store.

hippiefag20 pops up on your IM chat box begging you to grab some of "nobody's gear".

like odysseus in that cave with the cyclops... who's there ?

NOBODY !

& no problem with people lying it up for matt riot ?
& no problem with FAGs stalking ~gud ?

sniffle, sniffle. brownies?
you got milk with those?

& no worries. i handle. mad handle.
casualties of war. blood & guts. its part of the mission , the mantra , the modus operandi.

fuck what you heard "doc" , im killing birds with a stone.

can i talk about the time drank asked me to hang in real life , about how depressed he was, how he wanted me to go to see corny marylin mansion with him ?

like i'd roll with a FAG who pill pops all night.

bwahhahahhahahhahaha. shot em down!

i gets mo pussy playing with my cats!

[video=youtube;VB5coQcelAk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB5coQcelAk[/video]

This thread is a trip, LOL!

But for the record, I am not loyal to any breeder, if I grow it and its great or if it sucks, I am not afraid to say

I do have 3 packs of Riot gear that I will test someday, and see for myself. I always think positive, LOL!

i'm sorry dude but unless you type in a more conventional fashion i am not going to read your posts, i am not willing to invest the time and effort to decipher your unique style of ebonics

can't understand normal thinking see you next tuesday
something like that

[video=youtube;rQtysS7fB4k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQtysS7fB4k[/video]

ebonics ? OMFG ! urban anthropology 101 ?

are you being racist ? or just 1990 ? or a combo of both ?

cause its called "black vernacular english"
ebonics? holy shit. white power ! LOL !

what you dont like the roots?
im outraged !

& if you NEVER read my posts (same way i skipped over your laughable biology/music analogy) ...im 100% totally cool sans validation from "the doc".

gudkarma said:

F(ake)

A(ss)

G(rower)

thanks bro BUT your opinion isnt one i share.
big college words aside.
and i've decided that you dont own the lexicon either.
i've taken back that word & modified for my personal use.

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gudkarma said:

did i give another internet faggot life? damn by gotham i think i did

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ok you said FAG is an acronym for "fake ass grower", it's not a homosexual reference since you have taken ownership of the word fag

what is your acronym for "faggot" from your previous statement i would assume you do have one ?

whatever your gripe is, with "fags" and "faggots" i hope you work it out soon

gudkarma said:

ebonics ? OMFG ! urban anthropology 101 ?

are you being racist ? or just 1990 ? or a combo of both ?

cause its called "black vernacular english"
ebonics? holy shit. white power ! LOL !

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interestingly the word Ebonics was originally coined in 1973 by African American social psychologist Robert Williams

In 1975, the term appeared in Ebonics: The True Language of Black Folks, a book edited and written by Williams



Dr Williams above posing like a boss on the cover of his book in 1975
guess the Dr must be racist, or perhaps a white supremacist in face paint ?

peace

lol.......

gudkarma said:

so when im downtown , see a bunch of dudes parading with rainbows , leather collars , pink tutus , high heels , dressed in drag... i think same thing you think : fags
shit let's turn this thread into "why not rename an ancient instution like "marriage" so fags can opt in like the rest of us. HELL NO.

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what i do not understand is the connection/relationship between "dudes parading in rainbows" "leather collars" "pink tutus" "high heels"
and fake ass growers ?

gudkarma said:

F(ake)

A(ss)

G(rower).

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you paint a very clear mental image with your descriptions of these fake ass growers "downtown" which would indicate you took your time to study them closely
why can't fake ass growers get married ?

gudkarma said:

did i give another internet faggot life? damn by gotham i think i did

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so i take it from your most recent post you still haven't thought up an acronym for the term "faggot" this is not a complete surprise

i haven't read past a few lines of your posts, the way you write is not inviting to read perhaps i was a little harsh, you are entitled to your own style of English but you must acknowledge it's not so easy to read for those not in your inner-circle and familiar with your buzz words and acronyms, that being said you do seem tormented about something and are ranting

what is it you seek to achieve, other than making a blithering idiot of yourself ?

skunkd0c said:

If the so called elite respected breeders were so great and their strains always reliable, i would assume
the quality of their work would set such a high standard given enough time it should force the pollen chuckers and their inferior work out of the market

why has this not happened ?

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Excellent question.

The quick answer is that its a real market, even if mostly a black market. There is room for top shelf stuff from the best breeders, intermediate stuff, low end stuff, and scam artists.

Many of the scam artists DO go out of business. . .look what happened to "Doggie's Nuts". . .they charged $200/pack for bunk ceeds and the company is now defunct.

With a constant stream of new growers entering the market, courtesy of rapidly expanding legal MMJ, there are always potential new buyers, and the vast majority of them simply aren't .experienced enough to know what's really outstanding genetics and what isn't. They don't know which breeders have been around for 20 years and made names for themselves. All they know is the names of the "hot" strains at their local dispensary, on the street, or in magazines, and they're attracted to whomever says they can provide them as ceeds.

As a side thing, if Riot can net 3x the price of the competition for his beans (and in some cases he does), he only needs to sell 1/3 as many of them to stay afloat. Cutting out the middlemen (ceed banks) does, at least, offer that one advantage. Riot also has one other advantage in that he's (apparently) shipping from within the USA. That's a risk that most breeders won't take.