Right wing oppressors, or left wing savior?

Buddha2525

Well-Known Member
Whether opression comes from the right, means no difference than that of the left. While the right is more direct in their means of control, the left is more sinister and covert.

Traditional left and right paradigms both use top down approaches, assuming a capitalist elite knows what's best for those on the bottom.

It's time we stood up for such nonsense.

The reason both sides use top down methods is to enslave the population, and give an illusion of choice, yet in reality none exits.

This is proven when you notice supposed enemies, after no longer being part of the game, and retiring, are seen socialising, magically becoming best friends. They were never really feuding, only playing a role, like any other Hollywood actor.

If you don't believe, look no further than the former illusion relationship between the Obamas, Clintons, and Bushes; when all three familes were vying for power, they'd constantly bicker, and were never seen together socially beyond perfunctory photop deal makings.

During this supposed feud period, Trump supported the Clintons and Obamas, while making disparaging comments about conservative values, with virtue signaling such as pro-choice declarations.

Fastforward, nearly 30 years later during Trump's presidential campaign. Suddenly Obamas, Clintons, and Bushes become champions of the left working together in harmony, holding hands while singing, "I'd like to give the world a coke."

Trump lashes out, becoming a new hate mongering right wing asshole, denying any sentiment of ever having left wings values, going so far as "giving up" his pro-choice, and "adopting" pro-life.

What happened? Did the world suddenly become trapped temporarily in a Mandela effect? No, capitalism happened.

See, capitalism fools you with having "two" options, whose outcome is the same.

The right says, "If you only had the money, there's no opression, just earn more! The American dream is possible for all, work harder, asshole!"

The left says, "You have no money, we will give free shit! Just obey what we say, you're a retarded moron, submit bitch!"

So as some poor dumb as shit schmuck, what are you to do? Given two options, has the result of making four camps.

Camp one is vote right. Camp two is vote left. Camp three is vote something else. Camp four is not voting.

Now the vote nothings, automatically have no effect on camp one or two.

What the capitalist elites expect is through "manufacturing of conscent" they "buy" both outright and through various propaganda (such as media, advertising, public schools, etc) both private and in public sectors, a "vote."

It makes no difference if the right or left are in "power." Years, decades, centuries, and millenia of planning have been done. They just change the rules behind closed doors.

During the "revolution" we took back America, and prooved we aren't racist, by "electing" a "black" man. Which gave an out for both sides, if you're on camp one's side, you can blame his blackness for failure, and on the camp two the ultra lefties can say "see, it's still a whiteman's world. You can't even elect a pure black man."

Camp one control is our current situation. Their goal is "taking back." Which has pretty much succeded. Obummercare is gone. People are worried about getting busted for marijuana use. They threaten to cut medicare, raise the retirement age, and make us question who's the real American.

The left has never been, and never will be about the party against religion, only the party of "alternative" religion. During the hippy days of the 60s with JFK, the left was still very much pro-christian, and he was a "radical" for merely identifying with the Catholics.

Even so, religion has been a major driving force for both sides. Look at how Obama took great offense at being called a Muslim, and kept pandering to the Christians how much he "loves" God.

As a result of hate, the right took advantage, and did an underground grassroots campaign, instead telling the evangelicals to silently "vote."

The left were warned, but laughed. They pointed at how polls showed massive support for lefty humanitarian secularism. And, wanting a woman, propped up a hypocrit, that let her man cheat, and supported vile greedy sweat shop type corporate interests in secret.

The hypocricy doesn't end there. Supposed Russian "hackers" leaked her emails proving her lying ass, as the fraud she is.

But this was done after the Democrat leaders supported her, getting rid of their true adversary, Bernie Sanders.

The result was bolstering a minute, yet significant base of independents, and outright liberals who claim ties to workers rights, feeling betrayed.

When all was said and done, Trump got elected.

The next step in their master plan was "proving" this "interference" by "Russians" posed a "scary" and "dangerous threat" to our " American democracy TM."

Yet again, this was slight of hand hypocricy.

The western world has constantly been interfering and destabilizing governments around the world. One such incident we shall discuss is Stuxnet.

Capitalist supremacy used technology to try and destroy a nuclear powerplant in Iran by using social engineering such as with USB pen drives to infect their computer network without having to resort to traditional physical methods like air strikes at the building itself.

I will give more examples. The US funded "School of the Americas" (WHINSEC), Operation Ajax, Roosevelt's secret 1905 unconstitutional act of alliance with Japan without congressional approval which was the real cause of the Pearl Harbor attack, and giving "democracy" to Iraq and Libya by executing their leaders, are just a few of our own version of "Russian interference" we do daily.

The only solution is a bottom up approach to governance. The problem doesn't lie with any particular at the top, but the top itself.

Revolution of a lefty or righty hasn't solved anything. Just like how a middle way worked for the Buddha with religion, a solution must come from merging left and right method ideologies.

Take care,

Namo Amituofo!

P.S. tell me what you all think? Give your take. I'd really like to hear. Together, maybe we can solve this.
 

bundee1

Well-Known Member
The right says, "If you only had the money, there's no opression, just earn more! The American dream is possible for all, work harder, asshole!"

The left says, "You have no money, we will give free shit! Just obey what we say, you're a retarded moron, submit bitch!"

So as some poor dumb as shit schmuck, what are you to do? Given two options, has the result of making four camps.
OPs premise assumes we are at his intelligence level.
 

Sour Wreck

Well-Known Member
Whether opression comes from the right, means no difference than that of the left. While the right is more direct in their means of control, the left is more sinister and covert.

Traditional left and right paradigms both use top down approaches, assuming a capitalist elite knows what's best for those on the bottom.

It's time we stood up for such nonsense.

The reason both sides use top down methods is to enslave the population, and give an illusion of choice, yet in reality none exits.

This is proven when you notice supposed enemies, after no longer being part of the game, and retiring, are seen socialising, magically becoming best friends. They were never really feuding, only playing a role, like any other Hollywood actor.

If you don't believe, look no further than the former illusion relationship between the Obamas, Clintons, and Bushes; when all three familes were vying for power, they'd constantly bicker, and were never seen together socially beyond perfunctory photop deal makings.

During this supposed feud period, Trump supported the Clintons and Obamas, while making disparaging comments about conservative values, with virtue signaling such as pro-choice declarations.

Fastforward, nearly 30 years later during Trump's presidential campaign. Suddenly Obamas, Clintons, and Bushes become champions of the left working together in harmony, holding hands while singing, "I'd like to give the world a coke."

Trump lashes out, becoming a new hate mongering right wing asshole, denying any sentiment of ever having left wings values, going so far as "giving up" his pro-choice, and "adopting" pro-life.

What happened? Did the world suddenly become trapped temporarily in a Mandela effect? No, capitalism happened.

See, capitalism fools you with having "two" options, whose outcome is the same.

The right says, "If you only had the money, there's no opression, just earn more! The American dream is possible for all, work harder, asshole!"

The left says, "You have no money, we will give free shit! Just obey what we say, you're a retarded moron, submit bitch!"

So as some poor dumb as shit schmuck, what are you to do? Given two options, has the result of making four camps.

Camp one is vote right. Camp two is vote left. Camp three is vote something else. Camp four is not voting.

Now the vote nothings, automatically have no effect on camp one or two.

What the capitalist elites expect is through "manufacturing of conscent" they "buy" both outright and through various propaganda (such as media, advertising, public schools, etc) both private and in public sectors, a "vote."

It makes no difference if the right or left are in "power." Years, decades, centuries, and millenia of planning have been done. They just change the rules behind closed doors.

During the "revolution" we took back America, and prooved we aren't racist, by "electing" a "black" man. Which gave an out for both sides, if you're on camp one's side, you can blame his blackness for failure, and on the camp two the ultra lefties can say "see, it's still a whiteman's world. You can't even elect a pure black man."

Camp one control is our current situation. Their goal is "taking back." Which has pretty much succeded. Obummercare is gone. People are worried about getting busted for marijuana use. They threaten to cut medicare, raise the retirement age, and make us question who's the real American.

The left has never been, and never will be about the party against religion, only the party of "alternative" religion. During the hippy days of the 60s with JFK, the left was still very much pro-christian, and he was a "radical" for merely identifying with the Catholics.

Even so, religion has been a major driving force for both sides. Look at how Obama took great offense at being called a Muslim, and kept pandering to the Christians how much he "loves" God.

As a result of hate, the right took advantage, and did an underground grassroots campaign, instead telling the evangelicals to silently "vote."

The left were warned, but laughed. They pointed at how polls showed massive support for lefty humanitarian secularism. And, wanting a woman, propped up a hypocrit, that let her man cheat, and supported vile greedy sweat shop type corporate interests in secret.

The hypocricy doesn't end there. Supposed Russian "hackers" leaked her emails proving her lying ass, as the fraud she is.

But this was done after the Democrat leaders supported her, getting rid of their true adversary, Bernie Sanders.

The result was bolstering a minute, yet significant base of independents, and outright liberals who claim ties to workers rights, feeling betrayed.

When all was said and done, Trump got elected.

The next step in their master plan was "proving" this "interference" by "Russians" posed a "scary" and "dangerous threat" to our " American democracy TM."

Yet again, this was slight of hand hypocricy.

The western world has constantly been interfering and destabilizing governments around the world. One such incident we shall discuss is Stuxnet.

Capitalist supremacy used technology to try and destroy a nuclear powerplant in Iran by using social engineering such as with USB pen drives to infect their computer network without having to resort to traditional physical methods like air strikes at the building itself.

I will give more examples. The US funded "School of the Americas" (WHINSEC), Operation Ajax, Roosevelt's secret 1905 unconstitutional act of alliance with Japan without congressional approval which was the real cause of the Pearl Harbor attack, and giving "democracy" to Iraq and Libya by executing their leaders, are just a few of our own version of "Russian interference" we do daily.

The only solution is a bottom up approach to governance. The problem doesn't lie with any particular at the top, but the top itself.

Revolution of a lefty or righty hasn't solved anything. Just like how a middle way worked for the Buddha with religion, a solution must come from merging left and right method ideologies.

Take care,

Namo Amituofo!

P.S. tell me what you all think? Give your take. I'd really like to hear. Together, maybe we can solve this.

TLDR
 

Bugeye

Well-Known Member
Capitalism has some pretty strong positives. On balance I like it better than socialism. But I think I am in the minority here.
 

zeddd

Well-Known Member
Whether opression comes from the right, means no difference than that of the left. While the right is more direct in their means of control, the left is more sinister and covert.

Traditional left and right paradigms both use top down approaches, assuming a capitalist elite knows what's best for those on the bottom.

It's time we stood up for such nonsense.

The reason both sides use top down methods is to enslave the population, and give an illusion of choice, yet in reality none exits.

This is proven when you notice supposed enemies, after no longer being part of the game, and retiring, are seen socialising, magically becoming best friends. They were never really feuding, only playing a role, like any other Hollywood actor.

If you don't believe, look no further than the former illusion relationship between the Obamas, Clintons, and Bushes; when all three familes were vying for power, they'd constantly bicker, and were never seen together socially beyond perfunctory photop deal makings.

During this supposed feud period, Trump supported the Clintons and Obamas, while making disparaging comments about conservative values, with virtue signaling such as pro-choice declarations.

Fastforward, nearly 30 years later during Trump's presidential campaign. Suddenly Obamas, Clintons, and Bushes become champions of the left working together in harmony, holding hands while singing, "I'd like to give the world a coke."

Trump lashes out, becoming a new hate mongering right wing asshole, denying any sentiment of ever having left wings values, going so far as "giving up" his pro-choice, and "adopting" pro-life.

What happened? Did the world suddenly become trapped temporarily in a Mandela effect? No, capitalism happened.

See, capitalism fools you with having "two" options, whose outcome is the same.

The right says, "If you only had the money, there's no opression, just earn more! The American dream is possible for all, work harder, asshole!"

The left says, "You have no money, we will give free shit! Just obey what we say, you're a retarded moron, submit bitch!"

So as some poor dumb as shit schmuck, what are you to do? Given two options, has the result of making four camps.

Camp one is vote right. Camp two is vote left. Camp three is vote something else. Camp four is not voting.

Now the vote nothings, automatically have no effect on camp one or two.

What the capitalist elites expect is through "manufacturing of conscent" they "buy" both outright and through various propaganda (such as media, advertising, public schools, etc) both private and in public sectors, a "vote."

It makes no difference if the right or left are in "power." Years, decades, centuries, and millenia of planning have been done. They just change the rules behind closed doors.

During the "revolution" we took back America, and prooved we aren't racist, by "electing" a "black" man. Which gave an out for both sides, if you're on camp one's side, you can blame his blackness for failure, and on the camp two the ultra lefties can say "see, it's still a whiteman's world. You can't even elect a pure black man."

Camp one control is our current situation. Their goal is "taking back." Which has pretty much succeded. Obummercare is gone. People are worried about getting busted for marijuana use. They threaten to cut medicare, raise the retirement age, and make us question who's the real American.

The left has never been, and never will be about the party against religion, only the party of "alternative" religion. During the hippy days of the 60s with JFK, the left was still very much pro-christian, and he was a "radical" for merely identifying with the Catholics.

Even so, religion has been a major driving force for both sides. Look at how Obama took great offense at being called a Muslim, and kept pandering to the Christians how much he "loves" God.

As a result of hate, the right took advantage, and did an underground grassroots campaign, instead telling the evangelicals to silently "vote."

The left were warned, but laughed. They pointed at how polls showed massive support for lefty humanitarian secularism. And, wanting a woman, propped up a hypocrit, that let her man cheat, and supported vile greedy sweat shop type corporate interests in secret.

The hypocricy doesn't end there. Supposed Russian "hackers" leaked her emails proving her lying ass, as the fraud she is.

But this was done after the Democrat leaders supported her, getting rid of their true adversary, Bernie Sanders.

The result was bolstering a minute, yet significant base of independents, and outright liberals who claim ties to workers rights, feeling betrayed.

When all was said and done, Trump got elected.

The next step in their master plan was "proving" this "interference" by "Russians" posed a "scary" and "dangerous threat" to our " American democracy TM."

Yet again, this was slight of hand hypocricy.

The western world has constantly been interfering and destabilizing governments around the world. One such incident we shall discuss is Stuxnet.

Capitalist supremacy used technology to try and destroy a nuclear powerplant in Iran by using social engineering such as with USB pen drives to infect their computer network without having to resort to traditional physical methods like air strikes at the building itself.

I will give more examples. The US funded "School of the Americas" (WHINSEC), Operation Ajax, Roosevelt's secret 1905 unconstitutional act of alliance with Japan without congressional approval which was the real cause of the Pearl Harbor attack, and giving "democracy" to Iraq and Libya by executing their leaders, are just a few of our own version of "Russian interference" we do daily.

The only solution is a bottom up approach to governance. The problem doesn't lie with any particular at the top, but the top itself.

Revolution of a lefty or righty hasn't solved anything. Just like how a middle way worked for the Buddha with religion, a solution must come from merging left and right method ideologies.

Take care,

Namo Amituofo!

P.S. tell me what you all think? Give your take. I'd really like to hear. Together, maybe we can solve this.
Did you pass out and start hitting the keyboard with your head?
 

Unclebaldrick

Well-Known Member
You're calling out a lot of your best buds on here with that idea.

Shoots a big hole in the "if you aren't a centrist Democrat, you're a Trump supporter" meme that is always afoot in this particular section of the site.
I disagree. A lot of "my friends" are progressive. They realize that supporting the Dems is critical at this time. It shows adaptability, maturity and pragmatism.

You could not be more wrong.
 

Andrewk420

Well-Known Member
I disagree. A lot of "my friends" are progressive. They realize that supporting the Dems is critical at this time. It shows adaptability, maturity and pragmatism.

You could not be more wrong.
I disagree. If most of the "clique" here doesn't have a direct political enemy in the crosshairs, they (you) are picking out, and on, things that don't fit their (your) strict view of the political left at this time. And in doing so, making enemies out of who SHOULD be the allies you're trying to make yourselves out to be.

It does nobody any good if you treat ideas from people who are probably inclined to vote the same way you do, when it comes down to it, the same way as ideas from people who would never vote the same way as you.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
You're calling out a lot of your best buds on here with that idea.

Shoots a big hole in the "if you aren't a centrist Democrat, you're a Trump supporter" meme that is always afoot in this particular section of the site.
Hectoring people who tactically voted for Clinton in the general election.
Continuously feeding the right wing propaganda spin from the so-called left.
Telling others to vote as they say or "I'll give you Trump"
Insulting others for standing up to fascists in the US to the point of active self defense of self and city.
"Trumps win is the best thing to happen to progressives".


I find all of these objectionable and return comments appropriately. This isn't just a centrist view, quite the opposite. Kissing fascist ass as the people you are weeping for do and calling buds has a right wing feel to me.
 

Andrewk420

Well-Known Member
Hectoring people who tactically voted for Clinton in the general election.
Continuously feeding the right wing propaganda spin from the so-called left.
Telling others to vote as they say or "I'll give you Trump"
Insulting others for standing up to fascists in the US to the point of active self defense of self and city.
"Trumps win is the best thing to happen to progressives".


I find all of these objectionable and return comments appropriately. This isn't just a centrist view, quite the opposite. Kissing fascist ass as the people you are weeping for do and calling buds has a right wing feel to me.
Your last sentence is exactly what I'm talking about.

"Someone doesn't agree with me about something, so I'm going to completely make up something up out of thin air about the person, call them a right winger, and hope the others jump on and it makes it as good as true."

THAT'S Trumpian, fascist, and behavior that "feels" right wing.
 

Sour Wreck

Well-Known Member
Your last sentence is exactly what I'm talking about.

"Someone doesn't agree with me about something, so I'm going to completely make up something up out of thin air about the person, call them a right winger, and hope the others jump on and it makes it as good as true."

THAT'S Trumpian, fascist, and behavior that "feels" right wing.
only way to defeat facism is with death and violence...
 

Andrewk420

Well-Known Member
only way to defeat facism is with death and violence...
What about anything I've ever posted here would suggest I'm a fascist, a fascist sympathizer, or even politically right leaning?

I'm not even talking about the vitriolic attacks on open Trump supporters. It's the internet. But the "give us Bernie or get Trump" folks or the "Nah, not voting for Hillary, so I'm staying at work Tuesday" folks are potential allies and should be almost allies by default. They certainly aren't fascist by default.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Your last sentence is exactly what I'm talking about.

"Someone doesn't agree with me about something, so I'm going to completely make up something up out of thin air about the person, call them a right winger, and hope the others jump on and it makes it as good as true."

THAT'S Trumpian, fascist, and behavior that "feels" right wing.
I'm quite rightly pointing out that you are stepping into a fight that is not yours. At least not yet

Progressives(TM) are NOT the reason why Clinton lost. There are many reasons why and if one were to list all the factors that contributed to her loss, the largest would be Clinton and her campaign. Trump's own campaign should be listed next. Waaaaaaay down the list would be the near-continuous smear campaign mounted by a remnant of Sanders followers after Bernie dropped out. They DID NOT cause Clinton to lose but post election analysis shows that without them, Clinton would have won. It is accurate to say they have a share in the responsibility for today's situation. If I had been in that group in November, I would be apologetic and mortified about what I did to the very people who are now unreasonably facing deportation, the shredding of the ACA, harm to the environment and so forth. Instead they are doubling down with false conspiracy stories and continue to hector people on the left who are more pragmatic about the politics of this country. I'm returning volley, not serving.

So, if you want to join them in their game, I have game too. I'd rather you not. Most of your posts, I like.
 
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