Rick Simpson Oil...Cures Cancer in 90 days, whats you thoughts?

Discussion in 'Medicating' started by ciscoin313, May 1, 2013.

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    ciscoin313

    ciscoin313 Member

    My father has been recently diagnosed with colon Cancer stage two, He is 58 yrs old and the doctors tell him they want to go in and cut it out. More the 50% of the time it will come back, so I have been looking into alternative meds. In my search I found Rick Simpsons facebook page, on his page he list all the proof you need to cure Cancer even goes the extra step to show us how to make the oil the is extracted for the plant. I can cure my father in 90 days! My Questions is why are not more people helping the man get his word out? We all need to get the work out if Marijuana is ever going to be 100% legal.

    This video made me a believer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-uB1lkGYec
     
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    JesterDev

    JesterDev Active Member

    When I first saw these video's, first thing that came to mind was "snake oil" - But after reading hundreds of people stories and trying it myself I can attest to the healing properties. While I don't have cancer I do have chrons. It was almost out of control, slippery elm bark helped allot but did not take it away, just kept it under control most days. It's only been about a month now, but I am much better off than I was 30 days ago.

    It also helps with Migraines, Diabetes, and several other medical issues.

    I tell everyone I know about it. Most people think the same way I did, but when worst comes to worse I think most people would be willing to give it a go.

    In some cases 90 days or less is the norm, but there are some that take longer, so if you father takes this route, just use the 90 days as a guideline. Just remember he has to test his tolerance. Some people take less than the size a of a grain of rice and find themselves on the floor begging to come down, others can take more with no effects at all.
     
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    Greenleavez

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    Greenleavez

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    VladFromOG

    VladFromOG Active Member

    Yes, cannabinoids cure cancer. But no, this isnt news: Since the nineties its been known in the scientific community that cannabinoids are highly toxic to gliomas. Rick Simpson didnt discover any new medical effects, or even make a radical new extract. The RSO process has been around since the seventies, and although it does extract cannabinoids, it extracts a lot of other stuff too, and just generally isnt worth the effort. For the same time and cost, using modern methods like butane and CO2 extractions (or hell even a quick limonene wash does better) you can get an extract that is pure cannabinoids. For comparison RSO is about on par with bubble hash for purity. For this reason most have moved on to BHO.

    The big problem with Rick Simpson is that he is touting these dated shitty extraction methods as a magical cureall, a revolutionary new treatment (instead of just old hat) in order to garner fame for himself, and in so doing has introduced into the minds and vocabulary of a lot of new medical patients looking for info about treatment a ton a mystical, sciencey sounding BS. This sounds fairly harmless but this bullshit jargon has so permeated the medical community that it is actually preventing people from sharing real info and getting the help they need, and moreover has bogged down the medical community as a whole and prevented new progress from being made. Theres nothing magical about RSO or ISO, all cannabis extracts share the same effects as RSO, but most are a lot purer and thus work a lot better(seriously RSO is the least pure extract one can make).

    And take the claims of curing cancer orally with a grain of salt. Cannabinoids work well when applied directly to melanomas on the skin, but for most internal cancers the dose required to deliver the same amount of medications to the site is enormous. It does help greatly as an adjunct to traditional treatments however, and continual cannabis use tends to keep cancer in remission for longer than traditional treatments alone.

    For a complete rundown, sans any mysticism and BS, of the different types of extracts invcluding RSO, check out the link in my sig. Cannabinoids can be a great tool, but Rick is just out to make a name for himself, and everything he says is to make himself or his oil sound more fantastic than they really are.
     
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    Greenleavez

    Greenleavez Member

    Sorry buddy but you don't know what you are talking about. Rick Simpson Has cured over 5000 people of all types of illness MANY of terminal cancer and much more. Maybe if you did some research you would know that the protocol is 60 grams of high grade oil over 90 days or less + maintenance dose afterwards 1 gram a month. You sound very ignorant and jealous. Rick Simpson is trying to garner fame? He has been fighting this war for FREE for over 10 years and has healed thousands of people for FREE. I never heard a damn thing about any of this before he came out and showed the true miracles of this plant(AND i still don't. Tell me who else has cured THOUSANDS of people for FREE?). Obviously you don't even know what the hell you are talking about because you think cannabis oil is limited to topical use for skin cancer, when in reality PROPERLY made oil can cure ALL disease. Try doing some research on the endocannabinoid system and learn how it is involved in EVERY function of the body. RSO is the least pure? Show me a more pure oil than this. 396034_465279076852570_549775218_n.jpg 95.51% THC, 1.54% CBD, 2.06% CBN- RICK SIMPSON OIL
     
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    Greenleavez

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    VladFromOG

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    VladFromOG

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    And you are talking to VladTheImpaler From OG, lol - I have helped quite a few patients, by reverse engineering the VaporBros a decade ago, making vaping accessable to everyone and causing the flood of cheap vaporizers based on my plans to flood the market since, not to mention my contributions to isolation and testing of active specific components in marijuana. So theres no need to be insulting - I've just been around long enough to remember that the medical scene and a large portion of casual smokers knew about mjs medical effects long before Rick started claiming to discover them (how they heck do you think we got it medicinalized back before Rick came along lol?), and I also know enough science and have been working with pure analytical cannabinoids long enough to know that Crude ISO extraction methods like Ricks are simply incapable of being anything other than wildly impure. Seriously, read over my reply at the other thread, it gives a good rundown of the Rick scene lol
     
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    Kite High

    Kite High Well-Known Member

    haterz gotta hate huh? yeah such a great thing he has done for himself rick Has...being in exile from his country due to pressure from the good old USA for Canada to lock him up...yeah bet thats just what he wanted...sorry vlad but you're a knowitall douche
     
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    VladFromOG

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    He hasnt actually done anything, though. He hasnt made a new extract, nor discovered any new cannabinoid effects, and he wasnt run out of canada like a martyr for daring to tout marijuanas medicinal effects (they already knew and had made it legal) - he was run out because he was selling his shitty crud to shady dispensaries in US and CA who were charging out the ass for it.

    But as you say, haterz gotta hate, which is why I get personal insults when all I have given are simple facts. I can but suggest you try a real news outlet for info about Rick, and not one of his or his fanatic converts blog, or, better yet, go to your local university, go to the chemistry dept, and ask them to explain why Ricks described method cant create a pure cannabinoid extract, so you can begin to see that (surprise surprise), the uneducated crude hash oil salesman claiming to have invented ISO and discovered the anticancer effects of pot 8 years ago (two things both published widely in the seventies, the studies about pot were cited often in the medicinalization movement and were featured in many news outlets) doesnt know what hes talking about, and may even be purposefully lying to support his own mysticism
     
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    Kite High

    Kite High Well-Known Member

    I am well educated in bio chemistry and botany....as stated before knowitall, he has helped many...and btw you rag on him for what he says and does but then repeatedly pat yourself on the back for your reversing and vaporizers being all because of you....BULLSHIT

    I agree that the naphtha extraction as laid out by Rick misses alot of terpenes and flavonoids due to the heat and bho captures more...but it still produces useful meds easily for the novice sick patient
     
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    VladFromOG

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    Then why are you fighting with and insulting me? All I said was to take his claims with a grain of salt, that his extract is less pure than butanes (although I disagree that its easier to make, as I said butane or dry ice hash both take less time, cost less, and yield purer extracts), and that the danger in his self aggrandizing his extract as being the most pure and more curative than others is that patients are turning down purer and more efficacious extracts for RSO because of his misinformation. I stated its true that his extract has good effects, but its also true that every other extract has the same (if not better) curative effects. I also countered some of the claims that he invented this extract or discovered or even helped widely publicize the anticancer effects of pot by noting a large community, of which he was not a part which predated him, discussing the extracts and medicinal effects of pot he claimed to invent and discover

    I dont know why you're mad, and I doubt you do either seeing as how you say you dont disagree with what Ive said, just with me myself, but please, let it go and dispense with the personal insults. Its great that Ricks constant blog posts have helped some to find marijuanas curative effects, but that doesnt make his spreading of misinformation any less harmful to the much larger medical community as a whole. Patients should be getting their info from better sources, you know, the doctors who do the actual research, who helped make MMJ a reality, not some guy with a blog who popped up after we already medicinalized weed (in part because its well known to be anticarcinogenic) claiming to have just invented some process for making extract (that High Times published back in the 70s) and that his magical exclusive extract is the only thing that cures cancer, and crying how all those meanies in Canada (the nation had legalized MMJ and decriminalized recreational MJ at the time, and whose government had created all that research about MJs curative and anticarcinogenic effects) conspired to punish him for selling his oil as medicine and thats why he must live abroad. Seriously, there is no weed as medicine controversy in canada, there wasnt when Rick got in trouble with the law there, and its not some revolutionary claim that weed cures cancer, nor is it info the medical community is denying or trying to put down. Any good Doc on the west coast will attest to the anticancer effects of hash oils, and high quality extracts are often prescribed for just that reason. Rick just likes to pretend that the whole world's trying to stifle this miracle cure, to seem a martyr. In actuality the AMA, ACA, NCIC, and ICR all have been quite vocal in their support of marijuana as a treatment for over a decade.
     
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    qwizoking

    qwizoking Well-Known Member

    ugh rick simpson, i typed out a full rant but decided what the hell... hes an idiot, everyone knows it
     
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    ciscoin313

    ciscoin313 Member

    I really don't care Who discovered it, who made it, where it came from, who has it, I just want to make it for my sick father. From all the information Rick Simpson is putting out there, all I can say at least he is making a difference in someones life that is all the matters to me...
     
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    Kite High

    Kite High Well-Known Member

    says the idiot
     
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    Kite High

    Kite High Well-Known Member

    noticed you never addressed your self fluffing that you put Rick down for...have a good one Vlad...not impressed
     
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    VladFromOG

    VladFromOG Active Member

    Now that is a sentiment I can understand, ciscoin! Definitely check into what strains are best for your fathers illness - if he needs pain relief, the high in THC sativahs will do better, and if he needs the anitpsychotic effects, then the high in CBD indicas will serve better, and if he's just looking for anticarcinogenic effects, most strains seem to do equally well but having the highest purity extract is important. With the exclusion of cancer, how well he gets relief will be determined more by the strain than by the method of extraction or administration, with cancer, the best results amongst the published research were had with pure isolated cannabinoids, but a high purity extract (like butane, Co2, dry ice bubble) seem to work as well in the real world. I can assure you they are very easy to make, easier even than RSO/ISO as it requires less equipment and time, and can also be made from trash leaves and trim, and most importantly, have more of the stuff that is proven to kill gliomas and carcinomas, with none of the non-active oils, tannins, and chlorophyll ISO/naptha pulls out (not that they are that bad p/o, just seems like if you're gonna make the effort, might as well do the easier purer extractions and get better meds.

    Kite, I'm glad you mentioned my "self fluffing" - I mentioned it to illustrate the difference as you blasted me for not contributing to the medical movement - I, like rick, discovered something that had been done before (in my case it was by a single company trying to maintain a monopoly over sick people and in his case it was a method of extraction discarded decades ago in favor of better things) but unlike Rick, I didnt pretend that my vape plans were somehow magic, were different or special, nor did I make up and misuse sciencey jargon to make it sound like nothing but my product had health benefits, nor did I claim that this exclusive magic info could cure every and all diseases, and I definitely didnt sell my reverse engineered vapes for a massive profit to shady dispensaries. Because I know that that doesnt deserve a 1000 entry blog sucking my own dick, ranting paranoidedly about how my info is being supressed by the people I copied it from to begin with. I simply posted my meager contributions to the science of vaping weed in a clear and scientific manner, and it spread, because real science and progress doesnt need a snake oil salesman shouting constantly to all who will listen.

    So goodby, Kite, since you insist upon getting personally mad at people for simply pointing out the fallacies of one of the many shucksters in the biz, I have no desire to hear from you. *block* Fare thee well.
     
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    Kite High

    Kite High Well-Known Member

    Best thing I have read from you
     
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    GreenSummit

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    lol. ALL diseases? like AIDS and alzheimer's too? Damn what a miracle! Why aren't we shipping this stuff to Africa to fix the AIDS problems then??? oh yeah, because it doesn't work like that- and doesnt CURE ALL DISEASES. Sure, it is an awesome accompaniment to a good med plan. But it's not the cure all you are touting.

    And don't get me wrong, I fully believe in MJ's medical uses, but come on people, we need to be REALISTIC AS WELL AS SCIENTIFIC here. Otherwise we just look like a bunch of stoners.
     

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