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SisGenderShrimp

SisGenderShrimp

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Fogdog said:
Every one of the countries in the top ten with best health care systems are government provided, single payer systems.



You can read up about the history and meaning of libertarian beginning here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

American style libertarian "research institute" is the Von Mises Institute: https://mises.org/

Personally, I think the Von Mises institute is a fraud. If you want to understand better what is generally understood to mean by "libertarianism" those two sites should give you a better understanding than somebody who thinks its nonsense like me.

If you say you are conservative then learn more. There are social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, moderate conservatives and radical right wingers who pick and choose whatever they want. Given that I disagree with them, you probably ought to look elsewhere for information.

Why did you say you liked Trump's policies?
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I like some of his actions such as appointing Neil Gorsuch, and the movement of the us embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
I will research those countries in depth,
I am always willing to change my mind.
But i have heard Canada has horrible wait times and that the quality of care is not there. But I will look into it.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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SisGenderShrimp said:
I like some of his actions such as appointing Neil Gorsuch, and the movement of the us embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
I will research those countries in depth,
I am always willing to change my mind.
But i have heard Canada has horrible wait times and that the quality of care is not there. But I will look into it.
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I'm guessing you endorse rejecting and deporting asylum seekers who cross at the southern border of the US.
 
SisGenderShrimp

SisGenderShrimp

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Fogdog said:
I'm guessing you endorse rejecting and deporting asylum seekers who cross at the southern border of the US.
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Nope I do not
My grandfather came to the US in 1971 from Cuba. He used to own several successful businesses, and when Castro came in he lost everything. He was forced to work in the cane fields for two years to get permission to leave. He left alone, because the Cuban gov wouldn't allow my grandmother to leave with my aunt. 1972 she came to the US with my aunt and she was pregnant with my mom. I believe that we should let immigrants in that are fleeing tyrannical governments, yet proper vetting is a must. My grandfather was kept 2 months in custody in the US because there was so much Cubans that needed vetting.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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SisGenderShrimp said:
Nope I do not
My grandfather came to the US in 1971 from Cuba. He used to own several successful businesses, and when Castro came in he lost everything. He was forced to work in the cane fields for two years to get permission to leave. He left alone, because the Cuban gov wouldn't allow my grandmother to leave with my aunt. 1972 she came to the US with my aunt and she was pregnant with my mom. I believe that we should let immigrants in that are fleeing tyrannical governments, yet proper vetting is a must. My grandfather was kept 2 months in custody in the US because there was so much Cubans that needed vetting.
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Must be difficult supporting Trump and all that.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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SisGenderShrimp said:
I'm done wasting words on you. Enjoy your eco chamber.
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Thanks,

Study up and maybe some day we will be able to carry a conversation.

Read up on:

Libertarians
social conservative vs fiscal conservative
Seeking asylum is not a crime and the US is obligated to give them a fair hearing before a judge.
 
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SisGenderShrimp

SisGenderShrimp

Active Member
Fogdog said:
Thanks,

Study up and maybe some day we will be able to carry a conversation.

Read up on:

Libertarians
social conservative vs fiscal conservative
Seeking asylum is not a crime and the US is obligated to give them a fair hearing before a judge.
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The second you pointed toward Canada as a example of successful universal healthcare I knew you were full of bs.
 
TacoMac

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SisGenderShrimp said:
The second you pointed toward Canada as a example of successful universal healthcare I knew you were full of bs.
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Well, let's just dumb it down to basics, shall we?

Births are pretty much the number one hospital bill people get. So, it would stand to reason that infant mortality rates at birth would be a good benchmark for a health care system as well as the health of a population as well, right?

I mean, IF you have a great health care system, then you should by default have the lowest infant mortality rates. It's that simple.

That said, the United States infant mortality rate is 6.2.

What that means is that out of every 1,000 births at a hospital in the United States, 6 children die. Tragic as that is, it doesn't sound too bad, does it?

Well, if you're a "proud American" like you are (read as "patent village idiot Trump fan") then you would be right.

But guess what!!! Go on now, guess!!!

The U.S. has one of the WORST infant mortality rates in the developed world. The following is a list of nations, ALL with universal healthcare, that have better infant mortality rates than the United States does.

Cuba 5.8
European Union 5.7
Italy 5.5
Isle of Man 5.3
Taiwan 5.3
San Marino 5.3
Greece 5.1
Ireland 5.0
Canada 5.0
Wallis and Futuna 5.0
Monacco 5.0
New Zealand 4.9
United Kingdom 4.8
Gibraltar 4.8
Portugal 4.7
Australia 4.7
Jersey 4.7
Netherlands 4.7
Luxemborg 4.5
Guernsey 4.4
Belgium 4.4
Austria 4.4
Denmark 4.3
Korea, South 4.2
Liechtenstein 4.2
Slovenia 4.2
Israel 4.2
Spain 4.2
Switzerland 4.2
Germany 3.9
Czech Republic 3.8
Adorra 3.7
Malta 3.7
Norway 3.5
Anguilla 3.5
Finland 3.4
France 3.3
Iceland 3.2
Macau 3.2
Hong Kong 2.9
Japan 2.8
Sweden 2.7
Bermuda 2.4
Singapore 2.3

So...yeah. Keep beating your chest and yelling 'murica' you ignorant Trumptard.
 
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schuylaar

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SisGenderShrimp said:
What word did I misinterpret?
First of all I don't like tariffs, and I do not like socialised healthcare, the only regulation that I think is acceptable in a free market is Gov making sure no monopolies are formed, protecting the environment, and taxes. The gov also has to fill in for goods and services such as a military, making roads, and public schools.
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if you get your health through work, that's known as group health..a socialist concept of the LEFT..unlike socialist concept of the RIGHT which would be group showers with gas that comes out rather than water.

are you aware that Socialism resides on the left AND the right?
 
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schuylaar

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TacoMac said:
Well, let's just dumb it down to basics, shall we?

Births are pretty much the number one hospital bill people get. So, it would stand to reason that infant mortality rates at birth would be a good benchmark for a health care system as well as the health of a population as well, right?

I mean, IF you have a great health care system, then you should by default have the lowest infant mortality rates. It's that simple.

That said, the United States infant mortality rate is 6.2.

What that means is that out of every 1,000 births at a hospital in the United States, 6 children die. Tragic as that is, it doesn't sound too bad, does it?

Well, if you're a "proud American" like you are (read as "patent village idiot Trump fan") then you would be right.

But guess what!!! Go on now, guess!!!

The U.S. has one of the WORST infant mortality rates in the developed world. The following is a list of nations, ALL with universal healthcare, that have better infant mortality rates than the United States does.

Cuba 5.8
European Union 5.7
Italy 5.5
Isle of Man 5.3
Taiwan 5.3
San Marino 5.3
Greece 5.1
Ireland 5.0
Canada 5.0
Wallis and Futuna 5.0
Monacco 5.0
New Zealand 4.9
United Kingdom 4.8
Gibraltar 4.8
Portugal 4.7
Australia 4.7
Jersey 4.7
Netherlands 4.7
Luxemborg 4.5
Guernsey 4.4
Belgium 4.4
Austria 4.4
Denmark 4.3
Korea, South 4.2
Liechtenstein 4.2
Slovenia 4.2
Israel 4.2
Spain 4.2
Switzerland 4.2
Germany 3.9
Czech Republic 3.8
Adorra 3.7
Malta 3.7
Norway 3.5
Anguilla 3.5
Finland 3.4
France 3.3
Iceland 3.2
Macau 3.2
Hong Kong 2.9
Japan 2.8
Sweden 2.7
Bermuda 2.4
Singapore 2.3

So...yeah. Keep beating your chest and yelling 'murica' you ignorant Trumptard.
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i wonder why Isle of Man is so high? aren't they part of the UK?
 
gwheels

gwheels

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Fogdog said:
Canada's cost per capita of healthcare is half that of the US. They have better outcomes and I invite Canadians to comment on whether they would like the US's system or their own.

@gwheels @Budley Doright @DIY-HP-LED ?
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The Canadian health care system is very good. People will bitch and complain about anything but I can honestly say they were there when I needed them. We pay in taxation but it is a drop in the bucket compared to the health for profit USA system. My wife got 500k to 1 million dollars of care that cost me zero out of pocket.

In order to make it work there can be no more law suits against doctors. :)

In addition we have far cheaper medicine costs because we do not recognize a patent as long as the USA does. So we are able to get generic years before you can.

It will be one of the sticking points Donald doesnt really believe is coming but if he tariffs cars maybe we should provide generic drugs to all of the big pharma customers. That is a bit of a lobbying group eh?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Thanks, g

I'll just forward your message on to our local right wing hard head.

SisGenderShrimp said:
The second you pointed toward Canada as a example of successful universal healthcare I knew you were full of bs.
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gwheels said:
The Canadian health care system is very good. People will bitch and complain about anything but I can honestly say they were there when I needed them. We pay in taxation but it is a drop in the bucket compared to the health for profit USA system. My wife got 500k to 1 million dollars of care that cost me zero out of pocket.

In order to make it work there can be no more law suits against doctors. :)

In addition we have far cheaper medicine costs because we do not recognize a patent as long as the USA does. So we are able to get generic years before you can.

It will be one of the sticking points Donald doesnt really believe is coming but if he tariffs cars maybe we should provide generic drugs to all of the big pharma customers. That is a bit of a lobbying group eh?
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gwheels

gwheels

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SisGenderShrimp said:
I like some of his actions such as appointing Neil Gorsuch, and the movement of the us embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
I will research those countries in depth,
I am always willing to change my mind.
But i have heard Canada has horrible wait times and that the quality of care is not there. But I will look into it.
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The horrible wait times are usually related to not needing medical care urgently. For example you need an MRI because you have a pain in your (insert place here). Well the MRI gets used by the people with serious conditions first and you have to wait until that machine is free for you to have your shot.

And maybe if you are in the middle of nowhere too. We have 37 million people and more land mass than the USA so there are a lot of rural areas with very few people.

You can find the odd Canadian conservative genius who thinks Trump is great and will bitch about their ingrown toenails taking months to get looked after but for the most part those in need get seen faster.

Just my 2 cents...living here in the great white north and all.

And for the record i am a liberal conservative. How fucked is that.
 
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schuylaar

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zeddd said:
No, they only recently decriminalised homosexuality, backward sheepfuckers mostly, got their own government, tax exile haven
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i heard that it is beautiful there..since when does the monarchy allow prime real estate their own government?

poor northern ireland..jesus let those people go already.
 
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