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rickjames818

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i have grown many lowrider plants in the past and i like everything they have to offer i am wondering if it matters what plant i use for a mother just because every lr2 plant i have grown so far has been different than all the last and right now i have a girl that is perfect in every way and is what i would like all my plants to resemble in the future if i breed her can i expect my results to be as random as my past experences or will i be able to stableise the properitys that i want in a few generations
 
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born2killspam

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Autos add the extra challenge that you can't turn back the clock like you can when you take cuttings from your P1's for backcrossing which is the primary way breeders stabilize traits.. If you can find a way to keep a cutting in stasis until its progeny are ready to breed then you'd stand a much better chance.. I kept fresh cuttings in a baggie in the fridge for like 3months, and most rooted pretty dang well.. I don't think they were experiencing normal passage of time..
 
tokezalot420

tokezalot420

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the best way would be self pollenation not a herm but a female forced to produce male parts through the use of giberilic adic or collidal silver or overstressing plant if its to late into cycle use the female pollen on another female and you might end up with female seeds or you can just pollenate with a male ...your are going to have diffrent phoenotypes no matter what .. with my auto strain i can actually take clones even though people say you cant ..i didnt get seeds from a breeder so i dont know the exact strain but it is 100% auto flower and 100%clonable when you stick clones into lets say 8 gallon buckets it reverts to a half veg half bud state which allows them to get pretty big by the time its done .. just my 2 cents
 
MEANGREEN69

MEANGREEN69

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get a female/male that u like and cross...then grow out the f1 seeds (as many as poss) then pick a female/male that u like and cross...grow out f2 seeds as many as poss...be the time u grow out ur f3's u should see a bit more unifourm...also u mite want to save as much of the pollen from ur f2 male..so if u start to get inbreed deperession...hope i helped....MEANGREEN..
 
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born2killspam

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You don't just back-cross what you can, you back-cross what you need to to lock in desired traits.. If your female is key to locking in a trait, then pollen won't help dick for that..
Selfing does not produce an IBL as we use the term, it just weakens the original genetics each and every generation..
Clone stasis should be able to facilitate back crossing.. I had one batch of cuttings of normal plants root after roughly 3months of sitting in a baggie in the fridge.. You'd need to pull almost double that long to have children dried, germinated and ready though..
 
Roland

Roland

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born2killspam said:
Selfing does not produce an IBL as we use the term, it just weakens the original genetics each and every generation..


IBL ...?

Lemme see if I got this right .... choose the female that u want to replicate .. take cuttings and clone or store in 'fridge ... force Mom to produce male flowers .. then pollinate the clones ? ... Is this selfing ?


Thanks RJ818 .. for starting this thread .. and to all who've responded !



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MEANGREEN69

MEANGREEN69

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born2killspam said:
You don't just back-cross what you can, you back-cross what you need to to lock in desired traits.. If your female is key to locking in a trait, then pollen won't help dick for that..
Selfing does not produce an IBL as we use the term, it just weakens the original genetics each and every generation..
Clone stasis should be able to facilitate back crossing.. I had one batch of cuttings of normal plants root after roughly 3months of sitting in a baggie in the fridge.. You'd need to pull almost double that long to have children dried, germinated and ready though..
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who said " just back-cross what you can"??? i said:

"get a female/male THAT YOU LIKE and cross...then grow out the f1 seeds (as many as poss) then PICK a female/male THAT YOU LIKE and cross...grow out f2 seeds as many as poss...be the time u grow out ur f3's u should see a bit more unifourm...also u mite want to save as much of the pollen from ur f2 male..so if u start to get inbreed depression...hope i helped....MEANGREEN.."

and who said anything about selfing???....ne-ways save pollen and seeds from ur f1 so u can combat IBL depression...
 
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born2killspam

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Any idea how many samples you'd need each generation to effectively breed for traits without proper backcrossing??
Getting decent seeds, and breeding for stability of desired original traits are two different things.. You might be able to lock down resultant traits created by the original P1 cross, but you won't be able to pull 99% of the mother's original traits through, and those are the traits you'll obviously be hoping to pull since you've actually experienced them..
and who said anything about selfing???
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You did..
the only way to back cross them is to save male pollen...or froce a female to hermie....
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MEANGREEN69

MEANGREEN69

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born2killspam said:
Any idea how many samples you'd need each generation to effectively breed for traits without proper backcrossing??
Getting decent seeds, and breeding for stability of desired original traits are two different things.. You might be able to lock down resultant traits created by the original P1 cross, but you won't be able to pull 99% of the mother's original traits through, and those are the traits you'll obviously be hoping to pull since you've actually experienced them..You did..
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so when does back crossing with male pollen = selfing:confused:
 
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born2killspam

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Its not the male pollen I was talking about, it was 'froce a female to hermie' bit.. And I know you're going to say that you said that with intentions of polinating a different plant, which would not be selfing, but it still weakens the genetics because it was less than desirable mutations in the dna replication that caused the staminate flowers to grow..
 
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