Religion Has Done More Bad Than Good

phatlip

phatlip

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illegal Smile: This is a thread on a forum... the title asked for an opinion... you say were not covering all the facts n shit... then tell us please, give your opinion and "The facts" the rest of us dont know... please enlighten us!

And Crackerjx ur absolutely right! The church has tried crushing many scientific projects... For instances when Darwin wrote The origin of Species, the Church was in primary control over scientific discovery... Darwins theories werent accepted until real scientists were able to examine it some 40 years later? (could be wrong on how long it was until it was an accepted scientific theory)
And now its the basis for eveolutionay biology and many other scientific fields
 
wm2009

wm2009

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It's not 'bigot', i'ts just supid, The atheist will be more atheist, the believer will be more believer
 
NyneBKASky

NyneBKASky

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real talk
religion is a mass of BULLSHIT
i just hate those religious zealots
i mean it teaches good ways
but you got these fanatics that just
take it way too far
 
fish601

fish601

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in the beginning there was nothing then poof 15billion years later here i am typing this message. I think i will believe another story hmm, hmm wut else is there?...religion? In the begining God created... sounds better than nothing created everything we were all athiest before we started believing in god



Encyclopedia of Wars by Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod documents 1763 wars, of which 123 have been classified to involve a religious conflict. So, what atheists have considered to be "most" really amounts to less than 7% of all wars. It is interesting to note that 66 of these wars (more than 50%) involved Islam, which did not even exist as a religion for the first 3,000 years of recorded human warfare.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/war_and_religion.html


War and Religion

A slew of books by "evangelical" atheists have claimed that most of the world's suffering (including most wars) are the direct result of religious differences and the discord that it fosters. Such statements are seldom backed up by real evidence (other than citing a handful of wars that seem to be the result of religious differences).Does religion really lead to war?

Rich Deem
 
cbtwohundread

cbtwohundread

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CrackerJax said:
Sure did and points out the hypocrisy of the Church who WALLOWS in EVERYONE'S politics.

I have said that repeatedly....I have no problems with religions which keep to themselves.
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and i have no problem with idiots that ke3p to themselves.,.,ure point of view is very obscured in my opinion,.but some say im crazy,so wat do we kno,
 
sandmonkey

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excellent post fish601!

I have no problem with people who believe in God/Allah/YHWH/The Creator, but atheists are just lame.

As Einstein once said, "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

The Big Bang was mentioned in the Quran; along with many other scientific facts for those with open eyes, mind and heart. Such scriptures could not have been made up by
desert dwellers, since many of the miracles and marvels of the Quran were only confirmed by science in the last 100 years.

If one believes that religion has done more bad than good, then just look at what mankind has done to his abode (i.e. planet Earth) regardless of religion.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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We can quote Einstein all day, that's no problem, but suffice it to say he was more religious in the beginning, than towards the end of his life, which is quite natural. He examined Religion and found it wanting, as do I. As do many others.

by the way, did you guys catch the meteor shower last night? That would have been BIG MEDICINE back 2000 years ago. :lol: Pre science explanations.......that's religion.

So Fish, in the beginning. Was it the beginning? No way of knowing that. Why wait 15 Billion years by the way. Why go through the earth being here a few Billion years before us? Why go through 200 million years of Dinos? Insect age? Megafauna age? Practice?

It simply makes no sense and on just about every scientific frontier, the church, and the Bible have been wrong.

Should science replace religion? NO, there's nothing there to replace. Just let it go and let's get down to some serious investigation and head, wherever it leads us. No more distractions......
 
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Some of you folks seem to begin by examining religion and deciding it isn't for you. But you don't stop there. You then have a slightly creepy need to make religion wrong for everyone, and to judge the religious. As I said in the other thread, religion is the synthetic apriori and it's a part of human nature. You all have some variation of the same psychological orientation that leads people to religion. Assuming you are human.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Religion is what it is. A crutch for answers unknown. That's fine, but when ppl take the unknown and try to throw a backward book at everybody and say this is the answer, I must speak up. It's quite ridiculous.

Again, I'd have no problem if Christianity wasn't a cult, but it is, and has gone on far too long, and is holding us back!
 
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dpjones

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fish601 said:
in the beginning there was nothing then poof 15billion years later here i am typing this message. I think i will believe another story hmm, hmm wut else is there?...religion? In the begining God created... sounds better than nothing created everything we were all athiest before we started believing in god

Rich Deem
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The answer is, i think, something to do with quantum physics (complicated physics which isn't fully understood yet). Just because we do not fully understand it does not mean it cant be true. There was a time when every human being believed the Earth to be flat. Also that the Earth was the centre of the universe and everything orbited around it. Anybody who disagreed was hung by the church.

You could also use your argument against you, there was nothing and then poof God made everything?

Also i object to you just labelling anyone who is not a Christian as an atheist.

What is your take on all the other big religions? Are they all wrong?

Illegal Smile said:
Some of you folks seem to begin by examining religion and deciding it isn't for you. But you don't stop there. You then have a slightly creepy need to make religion wrong for everyone, and to judge the religious. As I said in the other thread, religion is the synthetic apriori and it's a part of human nature. You all have some variation of the same psychological orientation that leads people to religion. Assuming you are human.
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First off I was a Christian for 10 years of my life before I started questioning it. All my family are Christians. I would never try and persuade them that their beliefs are wrong as it is a terrible thing to take away a persons hope.

When you talk a bout a 'creepy' need to judge everyone else based on their religions, isn't that what Christians do everyday.

The whole if you do not repent your sins and ask God into your life you WILL go to hell and burn for eternity seems kinda hypocritical imo.

Could you expand on "As I said in the other thread, religion is the synthetic apriori and it's a part of human nature. You all have some variation of the same psychological orientation that leads people to religion."

Apart from using some terms I am not familiar with, and I think you knew most people wouldn't be, I don't understand where you are going with it.
 
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dpjones said:
The answer is, i think, something to do with quantum physics (complicated physics which isn't fully understood yet). Just because we do not fully understand it does not mean it cant be true. There was a time when every human being believed the Earth to be flat. Also that the Earth was the centre of the universe and everything orbited around it. Anybody who disagreed was hung by the church.

You could also use your argument against you, there was nothing and then poof God made everything?

Also i object to you just labelling anyone who is not a Christian as an atheist.

What is your take on all the other big religions? Are they all wrong?



First off I was a Christian for 10 years of my life before I started questioning it. All my family are Christians. I would never try and persuade them that their beliefs are wrong as it is a terrible thing to take away a persons hope.

When you talk a bout a 'creepy' need to judge everyone else based on their religions, isn't that what Christians do everyday.

The whole if you do not repent your sins and ask God into your life you WILL go to hell and burn for eternity seems kinda hypocritical imo.

Could you expand on "As I said in the other thread, religion is the synthetic apriori and it's a part of human nature. You all have some variation of the same psychological orientation that leads people to religion."

Apart from using some terms I am not familiar with, and I think you knew most people wouldn't be, I don't understand where you are going with it.
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Of course I knew most people wouldn't be familiar with it and my purpose was to point out that all of this has been discussed at great length hundreds of years ago and none of us have anything to add. The discussion here is very low level. Anyone seriously undertaking a discussion of god and religion should know exactly what synthetic apriori is before starting. Most of you quite literally don't know what you are talking about.
 
CrackerJax

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Well, hundreds of years ago, we had an entirely different church than we do today, so a lot has changed. at least ppl aren't killed for resisting the church anymore... that's good.
 
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dpjones

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Illegal Smile said:
Of course I knew most people wouldn't be familiar with it and my purpose was to point out that all of this has been discussed at great length hundreds of years ago and none of us have anything to add. The discussion here is very low level. Anyone seriously undertaking a discussion of god and religion should know exactly what synthetic apriori is before starting. Most of you quite literally don't know what you are talking about.
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If you had wanted to you could of put what you said into laymen terms and everybody would of understood.

I don't agree that people don't have a right to discuss these things unless they know the ins and outs. That seems to be a superior perspective and could be construed as being almost arrogant.

If these things are never discussed, even on a very basic level then surely the majority's would remain ignorant? Or would that be better?
 
Johnny Retro

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Green Cross said:
Sure Vietnam, WW II, North Korea... wait none of these wars were about religion WTF?

People believe what they have been taught by liberal teachers?

Oh and those darn Rastafarian's making war with everyone!
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Maybe WW2 wasnt started by religon But it sure played a huge role..
 
Johnny Retro

Johnny Retro

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Illegal Smile said:
Some of you folks seem to begin by examining religion and deciding it isn't for you. But you don't stop there. You then have a slightly creepy need to make religion wrong for everyone, and to judge the religious. As I said in the other thread, religion is the synthetic apriori and it's a part of human nature. You all have some variation of the same psychological orientation that leads people to religion. Assuming you are human.
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You want to talk about creepy?
My 11 year old son having a bible pushed in his face while waiting for his bus after school by some random guy.
Trying to convert 11 year olds? common
 
CrackerJax

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Gee, how did I miss that one? Darn right religion had a lot to do with WW2. Go ask the Vatican who was in bed with Hitler.

Just imagine if Hitler had actually won the war? Hitler takes control of the strategic points of the globe and grows Germany to be a super nation that would dwarf the modern US today.

The church would've thrown in with the winner of WW2, whomever it might have been......hands down. Hands down!!



Check this story out... Church caught in "rewrite" GOSH!!!! That's not possible!! The Bible is the word......word of the church......which rewrites faster than a flying eraser.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/5314338/Dont-mention-the-Popes-Hitler-Youth-past-says-the-Vatican.html
 
phatlip

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Ok so as far as the big bang theory goes, dont bash it until u understand it... Most people dont understand spacestime, not time & space, but spacetime... The easiest way to explain space time to those of u who dont know would be that the universe and everything in the universe are not traveling through time and into the future, however, evrything happens within spacetime... a simple project to represent this would be to take two pieces of stretchy fabrics and lay them on top of each other. Now there is no space in between the two fabrics, representing the time before the big bang. now suspend some marbles in the middle of the two fabrics while keeping the edges pinched together. the area inside the two sheets of fabric represent spacetime. Look at these tow links... maybe they will halp u to understand,

http://www.its.caltech.edu/~phys1/java/phys1/Einstein/Einstein.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime

as far as god, just making evrything appear or whatever is absolutley absurd... My favorite example of this is in an episode of family guy. Some of u may have seen it. It has a scene with peter doing a flashback to eveolution and has him walking out of the water and evolving legs, then into a dinosaur, then whatever else, which is obviuosly not exactly correct. but then it shows " the churches alternative to the theory of evolution" and they have the girl from "I Dream Of Jeanie" walk out of the water, she does her little nose wiggle/ head bob, and a cat, mail man, car, alligator, etc... just appear with each nose twitch/ head bob.. Ha ha ha which is essentially how it would have happened if god just created everything.

Also how could the earth only be 4000 years old or whatever you religious folks believe in... which is cool... it must have really been hard living with dinosaurs dont u think? and then we survived the crater that killed all the dinosaurs... but not us... nothing can kill us cuz were made in the image of the lord right... Humans are the best and everything else on the planet is to further the agenda of god and the human race... what do u think his plan is? cuz why would he want a bunch of people worshiping him? maybe he is planning a interstellar attack on a far off planet... makes sense right?





 
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