Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[VTMi'kmaq]

Just email the lady and she's prompt about helping with your order.




Darth what the hell are you talking about using heavy chemicals and sterilizing your soil? This is an organic thread and you reach for the napalm citing all your 'certified' grower buds do the same. thought you had clean fresh air up there in canada, IF that's even where you are from. tbh i don't believe half of what you say because of all the unattributed google images and cut and paste u do.

 

[VTMi'kmaq]

Take 1/2 small chili and 1 small bit of garlic, pestle it up with mortar and pestle, or drop in food processor. Mix into a spray bottle filled with water and shake the shit out of it. Spray away.

when this powder was sent to me it came with black rubber gloves and a white mask like they wear in surgury dude's, i ask the cat in florida, why the precautions? He says if that powder were to get into the eyes/shit the face in general your gonna need some hospital treatment!

 

[Vnsmkr]

Yeah that would fck your eyes right up. Ate a piece of 1 few years ago and it stayed with me for the afternoon

 

[Kind Sir]

when this powder was sent to me it came with black rubber gloves and a white mask like they wear in surgury dude's, i ask the cat in florida, why the precautions? He says if that powder were to get into the eyes/shit the face in general your gonna need some hospital treatment!

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How does it have the devils on it?

 

[VTMi'kmaq]

Idk how he packaged it up.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Not saying you can't water a plant with short carrots

Females of any species prefer a long carrot

 

[Rrog]

Bwaaahahahaha

 

[ShLUbY]

I'm sure you guys have probably come across this link before but it's a cool breakdown of drainage/mineral components. enjoy.

http://www.colinlewisbonsai.com/Reading/soils2.html

 

[Rrog]

Thanks for that! My pal lava rock!

 

[Darth Vapour]

Turface baby Turface

 

[Pattahabi]

lol gluten free
And yes Looking outside right now i see northern lights dancing in the sky lol i was Abe i was saying if anyone tends to bring out door soil into there indoor gardens sterilizing the soil is a grand idea ,, does not take nothing to recharge soil shit some compost and some bacto and your golden again
Also was talking about insects which do you think will do more harm one application of chem insecticide to rid the problem or 10 - 20 applications to rid the problem
remember normally, by the time you see insects mites etc its not infected its fucking infested so damage has been done plant is weaker etc .. so going with a label brand organic insecticide remember insecticide or organic bug control is POISON which ever way you look at it if it kills a insect that is right ??? science is just beginining to understand soil biology but guess what pot heads have it down pact lol kinda funny really
we tend to think cause it was grown organic or something is organic its safe
well some organic pesticides are unsafe also
Insecticides and other pesticides sometimes are needed as a last resort when efforts to grow a healthy plant fail and pests strike.

If you reach for an insecticide, don't buy into a widespread perception that insecticides derived from plants are somehow "softer" in their effects on the environment than synthesized insecticides.

Rotenone, nicotine, pyrethrum and neem are examples of botanical insecticides. Just because the materials are natural, however, doesn't mean they are always less toxic than the synthetics.

Rotenone is produced from the roots of two tropical members of the bean plant family. It has been used as a crop insecticide since the mid-1800's to control leaf eating caterpillars, and it often is recommended for flea beetle control on early season vegetables. It is six times more toxic than carbaryl, (sevin), a synthetic product, also effective for caterpillar and flea beetle control.

Nicotine sulfate has been used since the turn of the century and is the most hazardous botanical insecticide available to home gardeners. The insecticide is extracted from tobacco by steam distillation or solvent extraction. Highly toxic to humans and other warm blooded animals, nicotine sulfate is rapidly absorbed through the skin. It is six times more toxic than diazinon, a widely available synthetic insecticide sold for control of many of the same pests.

Like most organic pesticides, nicotine and rotenone break down rapidly meaning the highest hazard is to the applicator, birds and other wildlife present at the time of application.

Some organic insecticides are very effective for pest control AND have a high degree of associated safety.

Pyrethrum, extracted from the dried flowers of the pyrethrum daisy, has a rapid "knockdown" effect on many insects. It has very low toxicity to mammals and is best used for exposed caterpillars, sawfly larvae, leaf beetles and leafhoppers. Because of its short persistence, its effectiveness is limited but so are its impacts on natural insect enemies.

Neem is an exciting, new insecticide product. Extracted from the seeds of the tropical neem tree, this plant substance has long been used in Africa as a pharmaceutical and toothpaste. Neem has recently been found to interfere with insect feeding and development. Treated insects rarely show immediate symptoms, and death may be delayed a week or longer. Insects are sluggish after spraying, however, and do little feeding.

Labeled uses of neem are still under development. Its very low toxicity and increasing labeling for a wide number of insects make it an attractive, up and coming insecticide. CSU research tests show good activity against tent caterpillars and elm leaf beetles, and fair results with tussock moth.

The container in which an insecticide is sold will have a label that tells the user not only what pests the product can control, but also safety precautions for the applicator and the environment. There fore being its litterally has a MSDS safety precautions one could say its a poison No ???? drink it

Exciting, new! LMAO! You took the time to type all that crap out? It's obvious by your posts you haven't been hanging around anyone with any kind of organic gardening sense. People here are dedicated to real organic gardening. Go troll somewhere else.



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[a mongo frog]

Exciting, new! LMAO! You took the time to type all that crap out? It's obvious by your posts you haven't been hanging around anyone with any kind of organic gardening sense. People here are dedicated to real organic gardening. Go troll somewhere else.



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You don't need to go around trying to hurt peoples feelings all the time. Dude knows his shit and your pretty pissed about it. And if you don't agree with what he says then say that and explain to the forum why.

 

[Rrog]

I agree with Pattahabi. Just sayin. He wasn't the one with the 'tude.

Hell, I've had Darth on ignore for a long time, and had to un-ignore to see what was up

 

[Darth Vapour]

I agree with Pattahabi. Just sayin. He wasn't the one with the 'tude.

Hell, I've had Darth on ignore for a long time, and had to un-ignore to see what was up

Owe i apologize that i must of hurt your feelings at one time or another but when some one looks at what contributions that that gave to this site it appears were not even in the same league your upset cause i question LED or cob's and your i think a avid cree grower ??? yet when we look into your history we do not even see a journal anything interesting isn't talk the talk but really never walked the walk
https://www.rollitup.org/search/5745251/

it appears your clogging up a grow site with non sense

Same thing applies with patahabi nothing on this guy either but as usual talking the talk i posted my soils way back in this thread dam even -6 right now my plant is still outside 6 + months with 0 nutrients 0 teas other then 2 applicaitons of top dressing grass clippings
so with all that said i use my own soils not copy sub cools recipe haha and wait or results huge diference
i have used oils/ fats in my composts pretty much everything and from day one i have made my own soils with spectacular results Don't be mad no need to were all here to help but get set in your ways be like trying to teach a old dog new tricks yeah think ???
Hey does this box look familiar ??
hey i do not add amendments to my soil i make them no need for dust . blood meal TEAS lol
And yes if i decide to grow organic indoor using my outdoor soils i will in fact sterilize it then recharge with bacto and other charging materials
No for some that use my ways great for others that use there ways GREAT its all about growing plants at the end of the day

 

[littlejacob]

Owe i apologize that i must of hurt your feelings at one time or another but when some one looks at what contributions that that gave to this site it appears were not even in the same league your upset cause i question LED or cob's and your i think a avid cree grower ??? yet when we look into your history we do not even see a journal anything interesting isn't talk the talk but really never walked the walk
https://www.rollitup.org/search/5745251/

it appears your clogging up a grow site with non sense

Same thing applies with patahabi nothing on this guy either but as usual talking the talk i posted my soils way back in this thread dam even -6 right now my plant is still outside 6 + months with 0 nutrients 0 teas other then 2 applicaitons of top dressing grass clippings
so with all that said i use my own soils not copy sub cools recipe haha and wait or results huge diference
i have used oils/ fats in my composts pretty much everything and from day one i have made my own soils with spectacular results Don't be mad no need to were all here to help but get set in your ways be like trying to teach a old dog new tricks yeah think ???
Hey does this box look familiar ??
hey i do not add amendments to my soil i make them no need for dust . blood meal TEAS lol
And yes if i decide to grow organic indoor using my outdoor soils i will in fact sterilize it then recharge with bacto and other charging materials
No for some that use my ways great for others that use there ways GREAT its all about growing plants at the end of the day

Bonjour
I like the pic with weed tomato and garlic I guess...looks very organic!
Just a word about neem oil...I believe it is ok for indoor (even if I don't use it cause I hate the smell of it) but if you really love nature and care about it do not use it outdoor...it kill pest ok...but it kill bee as well!!! And other useful insects!
And Cree cxb 3590 are smashing any other lights...I do not sell anything...so thrust me on that!
Have a great day ★

 

[Rrog]

Nice post. Thanks for that

 

[Darth Vapour]

Bonjour
I like the pic with weed tomato and garlic I guess...looks very organic!
Just a word about neem oil...I believe it is ok for indoor (even if I don't use it cause I hate the smell of it) but if you really love nature and care about it do not use it outdoor...it kill pest ok...but it kill bee as well!!! And other useful insects!
And Cree cxb 3590 are smashing any other lights...I do not sell anything...so thrust me on that!
Have a great day ★

bonjour jacob mon petit gâteau Vous avez ce droit Cris 3590 sont écraser les autres lumières que dans l'argent dans votre portefeuille . mais pour le prix d'un qui se compare à Hidi se acheter deux et le fracas qui cree des rendements anyday de la semaine , vous tirent livres threee par votre lumière 3590 ???
J'ai pensé ainsi
Drôle fracassant comme en comparaison sage des coûts , de l'argent qui sort de votre portefeuille haha mais encore une fois pour huit cents dollars plus i sera en fait détruire tout dollar en torchis pour dollar spent.if nous regardons balasts même mag pour 900 dollars dépensés à mae un épi unité qui battra peut-être un HID je voudrais enfait aurait 7000 watts de HID donc qui gagne 900 épi de dollar ou 7000 se cachaient , mais cela au monde dE et wow 2030 watts dE pour le prix d' une unité de torchis sens pas dans mon monde spécialement lorsque l'alimentation est pas cher au Québec

 

[Pattahabi]

Hey Guys just wanted to say Sorry if i come across as a prick sometimes to some of you , or all of you haha i mean good ,, always ound whe bring out side soil into our indoor grows its becomes a cluster fuck with insects everybody is always worried about living organic soil which is so simple to put in soil its not even funny..
If anyone is using outdoor soil and bringing it inside ???
They should really consider sterilizing the soil and starting all over, Even if chemical nutrients were used in your soil your soil is not dead but damaged

So a ton of people in this thread and others forage material from outside and add it to their soils with no problems. I'm not going to sterilize 5 cu yards of soil, and I'll hollar as soon as some 'bad microbes' take over my pots and start killing all my plants. I'd worry more about proper watering techniques than a adding few anerobic bacteria from outside.

First and foremost, DON'T go wasting your money on all these miracle products, they are unnecessary, Don't go buying into all these products, your getting fooled out of your wallet!

What the hell are you talking about here? Miracle products? Fooled out of your wallet? I'm recommending adding some EWC and molasses to water once in a while, sprouting some barely, buying a bag of kelp meal. Maybe you could elborate.

The best thing to add to your soil:
-Compost(make yourself,etc)
-plant matter(cover crops/green manures)
-mulch(again plant matter, leaves,etc)
-get a carbon water filter and filter the chlorine
-compost tea(make yourself, simple 5 gallon bucket($3), a water pump($10) and some compost(free?, but is really priceless!) simple as that..
- did I say compost? Compost,Compost,compost
I would just keep adding compost, planting cover crops/green manures, an continue mulching.. That's the best way for your soil, as well as your wallet! Please don't get foole an buy all these products, it's unnecessary.

Ummm... yup. Humus being paramount has been said about 100 times in this thread. No one here is going to disagree with the power of compost/vermicompost.

I have practiced Sterilization of soil on every grow from the time i was 10 years old, its just common practice now. And a smart practice. we have to forget that there is only one way for ROLS and no other cause that is a crock of shit there are hundreds of ways to get from point A to point B,
I have moved away from family practice where we own a big botanic garden and like ALL botanic gardens all there used soil is sterilized and re charged , and re used this not only assures us that the plant in question is bug free its also insures us that its also disease free .
I used to start our green houses in middle of February and start seed runs as well as clone approx 350,000 annuals for up coming season sales etc , I have worked with more soils then most will see in there life time trust me on that
And being around certified botanists all my life one learns allot ..
so with that said everyone has to to relax on the ROLS so many ways to do it successfully and there is no such thing as this is the right way or that is the wrong way

Well, this is sort of a cluster. All I can say to this is yes, there are 100 ways to skin a cat. But THIS IS THE ROLS THREAD. You want to go talk sterilization in organics, start a thread, don't spam this one.

Using strong chemicals or a sure kill method to rid insects ( mites aphids etc )
Same thing applies Do not kid your self Yes even organic farmers use harsh chemicals as a last resort to rid infestation ,,, why should we be any different ??? if you really think about ..
Now i am not going to say what ever its your plants your grow , do what ever , but to think by using 10 times more the application to rid the problem is being better or more efficient is a wrong way to think about it . by the time you see insect issues the damage already has been done there easily on there 3rd generation - 6 generation of off spring and this is a problem . not only has your plants been attacked there weak now and getting weaker by the day .. so yes even going with this organic witch craft recipe your hurting your plants even more by stressing it out every application .. And with that said spraying plants ?? throw that idea down the drain YOU NEVER GET THEM ALL you may think yeah i killed them ,, But sure enough 5th week in flower they popped there ugly heads out at you again
And NOW your fucked
We see it all the time don't we ??? best way to rid these fuckers is by dunking them completely into solution and moving plant up n down or a min or 2
i have used 50 gallon drums i plants are Big use netting string what ever tie it up so that you can get it into the barrel
We are all here to help each other some my take a growers advice or not again its All up to you
But as far as i am concerned Dont fuck around when it comes to insect issues kill them fuckers once n for all and that is with strong Chem insecticide

Well, that's great your adamant about chem dunking your plants, but once again this is the organic section. You can take your poison talk over to the hydro section. I have ZERO bugs after having a mite issue, and having my grow next to a TON of bugs. Did it take 20 applications of some seemingly innocent yet somehow horrible pesticide? No, I sprayed every leaf 4 times, three days apart with a neem, silica base occasionally adding some rosemary. My plants turned green and prayed to the lights after the applications. Anything really bad, you can get out the organic nuclear bomb and spray some spinosad.

You don't need to go around trying to hurt peoples feelings all the time. Dude knows his shit and your pretty pissed about it. And if you don't agree with what he says then say that and explain to the forum why.

My apologies if it seemed I was trying to hurt his feelings. The way I see it he is only trying to stir trouble, but please feel free to point out the merit in his posts. Actually, I do like dunking plants for complete coverage, but I wouldn't add the chem poisons.

interesting here lets have a look many growers are firm believers of neem oil here are some facts about the product being
Azadirachtin is the main ingredient
http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Chemical.jsp?Rec_Id=PC35467#Symptoms

Here are some facts about your complete laziness and stupidity, if you would have spent even five minutes researching azamax in this section you would have known azadirachtin is only one of over 300+ chemicals in neem. Azamax is just another pathetic attempt by big business to make a mint off of something that has been in existence for thousands of years.

I'm all ears,

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[Rrog]

My man P

 

[Darth Vapour]

your right your all Ears lol could you be so kind to post up some of your organic mj plants would love to see it as well as many others i would bet being you never even started a thread on this site..
and from looking at this thread sure there are a lot of people now doing the compost thing but also there are a lot of people purchasing organic soils and then making teas etc many ways to skin a chicken when it comes to organic growing
Dayum thinking about a bag of promix one bag of sheep manure, 1 bag of sea compost , little more peat, some sand , hell even a bag of top soil and pow your organic add some perlite dolomite i you like haha man millions of ways to do it

but still waiting show us your soils and garden i have why haven't you or Rrog bring it on show us how its done tired of just talk same thing said by other growers over n over for 100 's of years

you want to see some natural frost