Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

RedCarpetMatches

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Soils been in the unfinished basement for months...haven't had any bug probs in two years down there. Just went out and checked cold pile and it looks like there's even more :O Threw some dirt form nearby woods in it and on top. I'm pissed about all the amendments and time I put into that heap of spider shit. I was hoping the cold (below 40) would do something. I'm just starting a worm bin so I might as well start over with the better worm poo. Doing straight coco with teas for now.
 

Mohican

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Maybe covering it with a tarp over the winter? Or pour moonshine or everclear all over it and light it (biochar)!

I emptied my compost barrel one time and it was full of red mites. I buried that batch under my compost pile hoping they would get cooked. It seemed to work.

Maybe something hot like fresh manure?
 

hyroot

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Buy some compost and just throw it on top and water. the predatory mites will show shortly afterwards. I found having lavender and mint (chocolate, peppermint) plants sitting around the garden deters bugs. Especially spider mites and regular spiders. I wish I figured that out weeks ago. no sprays or anything needed....
 

RedCarpetMatches

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Well I'll wait to see what some wood humus does before making a bonfire lol. They are tiny white/yellow SOBs. They're fast and will crawl up your arm. Hoping that dirt will have some mite munchers in it. I'll check it in a week. I don't want 250#s of cooked soil going to waste.

EDIT: Hyroot are you talking cow manure or mushroom compost? My shop has lobster compost and it seems to be the gnats favorite lol. I can't by real compost anywhere near here.
 

NickNasty

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Yeah I like the compost idea any bad bugs should get cooked out of it or will be gone by the time you use it then you can throw it in your worm bin once its cooked and you will have some highly amended Vermicompost. This way you are not throwing it away your just improving it with age.
 

RedCarpetMatches

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I don't make my own compost and the only local compost is from the municipal poo facility. I can get bagged mushroom, lobster, and cow manure compost also. You don't think the wood humus full of BMIs will whoop em?
 

hyroot

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Mushroom compost is great. That's hard to find in SoCal. Lobster compost sounds good. I never used it before. Manure , cow manure is good. Horse manure, chicken manure are bad.

you can go to home depot any get any cheap compost too. Grab that mushroom compost for sure .
 

NickNasty

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What everyone is saying is You should make your own compost with your amended soil. You can leave it outside over winter and it will slowly compost or you can bring it to a warmer spot and add already done compost to it and it should start cooking it again.
I just brought my composter in for the winter so I could continue to use it.

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Edit: Sorry about the sideways pics...
 

RedCarpetMatches

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The lobster was covered in gnats and only 16$ a cubic foot lol. Going to try the mushroom tomorrow. That's same good soil piled up out there. Thought about adding some green and brown and start my own compost. Ton of dry leaves around here. I guess the chitin bacteria are slacking too. Fuck bugs.
 

DANKSWAG

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I've been reviewing my notes on making my own LAB Lacto Acid Bacillus which is the base for EM1.
Microbes cultivated and used for protecting plants from pathogens and digest nutrients in the soil to enhance growth.

  • Cultivaing bacterica
    1 cup whole grain rice
    2 cups h20 sans chloride
    Shake well store in closed container that has equal air space to material volume
    let set 3-5 days with top covered with paper towel room temp sans uv rays
    with syringe remove 7oz clear serum from infected mixture

    Separating bacteria LAB from hood of every bacteria from a-z
    Place 7oz bacterial serum into container with 70oz of whole milk raw is possible any well do
    Let set one week (7 days) as with the rice water mixture above
    Cheese will form on top remove feed to animals or add to compost
    remaining is your LAB separated out for use as you see fit. Approximate 1000ml 1 liter
    That's freaking easy you now have your very own hard working great for everything BACILLUS

    Storage
    You can keep in airtight container in fridge up to 3 years, goes dormant in one.
    Or add equal parts molasses to stabilize and store for up to 3 years cool room temp.
    When adding molasses stir well this now becomes 2 liters or 2000ml stabilized Bacillus


And I am being told this lacks additional needed strains and species compared to the following:
  • "You are creating One form of Bacilius bacteria with the LAB.

    There are 7 different strains of 4 different species of Bacilius in P3."​


http://www.prolificplantprobiotic.com/
Product Claims to have:


  • Bacillus Subtilis
    - Well known cattle feed ingredient
    - Spores are viable for decades; common soil inoculant: frees up nutrients from food sources
    - Symbiotic with roots as a colonizer; antagonistic to pathogens
    Bacillus Licheniformis
    - Found in soil and on bird feathers
    - Protease producer (especially breaks down feathers)
    - Biological “laundry detergent”
    - Adapts well to alkaline areas
    Bacillus Amyloliquefaciens
    - Source of the BamH1 restrictive enzyme (stifles virus and pathogens)
    - Source of Subtilisin, an organic “laundry detergent”
    - Causes starch hydrolysis of green plants
    - Produces Barnase, an antibiotic protein
    Bacillus Pumilis
    - Anti-fungal
    - Colonizes roots to prevent fungus formation
    - Highly stress resistant
    All are considered “rhizobacteria” for they breakdown atmospheric nitrogen into a compound easy to uptake by plants.
    Summary of P[SUP]3 [/SUP]Prolific Plant Probiotic™

    One dose (1 inch of pellets) contains:
    1. 600+ million CFUs of Bacillus microbes
    2. Micronutrient spectrum package usually depleted from soil
    3. Amino acids spectrum package critical for plant life
    4. Delivered on a carrier of plant roughage
    5. Contains seven strains from the above mentioned four Bacillus species







Is there anyway to add these different missing strains, if needed and really missing? Won't I get a better healthier spectrum of beneficial bacteria by using this homemade LAB in composting which will introduce other strains of bacteria in which LAB will help influence the growth of other beneficial bacteria that could ultimately provide a soil web that would not need to have a product like P3 added?
Any takers on this question, seems to me I could use basic EM1 (LAB) and incorporate into my composting which should promote other helpful bacteria to join the crowd making my compost and soil come alive with a plethora of good Bacillus strains / species?
 

hyroot

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Worm bins are one thing. I don't like compost bins. They don't get enough airflow. I just had problems... I'd rather do piles in a fenced bin outside. I'm perfectly happy with just indoor worm bins for the winter.
 

GreenSanta

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Any takers on this question, seems to me I could use basic EM1 (LAB) and incorporate into my composting which should promote other helpful bacteria to join the crowd making my compost and soil come alive with a plethora of good Bacillus strains / species?
there is a vid on youtube that shows u how to activate ur EM and make 20 bottles with 1. that comes out to be pretty cheap. . that stuff is strong and dont need a lot , nor frequent application. that said it would be nice to know how to make it from scratch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BttGnPHRFT4
 

DANKSWAG

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there is a vid on youtube that shows u how to activate ur EM and make 20 bottles with 1. that comes out to be pretty cheap. . that stuff is strong and dont need a lot , nor frequent application. that said it would be nice to know how to make it from scratch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BttGnPHRFT4
GreenSanta,

Thanks for that. Got another take on activation. I am hoping to find a more complete EM1 recipe that will ensure as many possible Bacillus strains and other beneficial bacteria. This was helpful as for as additional info on Activation and Storage.
 

RedCarpetMatches

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Soil with grass roots have a ton of goodies. I was told this by a very wise coffee drinker. Research it and you'll be dumbfounded. All the soil here is like cement :( if I didn't believe in karma, someone would have a really messed up lawn right now.
 

Mohican

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After the cage is finished I will add rabbits, chickens, giant worm bin, compost bin, cow (jk) hehe

"You're gonna need a bigger boat!"
Sheriff Brody
 
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