Real GG#4???

Tangerine_

Tangerine_

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natureboygrower said:
Wow, this thread went right off the rails lol. Can somebody tell me if the pinwheeling trait can be seen in this baddawg gg4 clone only× 3 headed dragon or am I seeing things? It was a male I used outdoors 2019.
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Lol! My good friend was given his grandmother's non GT 5.0 late 80's convertible mustang in 1996. Damn, everything about that car was a pos. The radio was garbage, it was an automatic and the top stopped working after some use lol. I looked for sone pics of a model online but I think ford mustve had them all scrubbed.
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I get that leaf twist when the pH is off. Some plants are super sensitive to pH fluctuation.

I've got a couple packs of Bad Dawgs 3headed dragon crosses. I should probably pop em. His freebies have always turned out fire.

@HydroRed - jeez man, sorry your thread took such weird turn. You've done great job documenting GG4.
I can honestly say, with all the info available, it never occurred to me that anyone would argue against her existence and her offspring or the existence of "cuts and clone onlies" in general *shrugs*
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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Tangerine_ said:
I get that leaf twist when the pH is off. Some plants are super sensitive to pH fluctuation.

I've got a couple packs of Bad Dawgs 3headed dragon crosses. I should probably pop em. His freebies have always turned out fire.

@HydroRed - jeez man, sorry your thread took such weird turn. You've done great job documenting GG4.
I can honestly say, with all the info available, it never occurred to me that anyone would argue against her existence and her offspring or the existence of "cuts and clone onlies" in general *shrugs*
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Apologies to @HydroRed. I have been educated. Urban legends and "I saw it on the internet". We are pretty isolated from the west coast and the experience in breeding and lineage you have available. Legal for 2 years here. We are a lot behind. Only search and post on the subject since last fall. Internet searches on canibus and a seed order has a good friend doing 8-20 right now.

So thank you all for arguing with me. I'm stubborn. But I can be educated. Just realize we don't all have your freedom in movement and info. We may lack the info but we grow just as well and love the endevour with the same passion.

Happiness, peace and health to all.
 
curious2garden

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Tangerine_ said:
@StoneyJake - to laugh at the passing of someone who wanted nothing more than his GG4 find to be enjoyed by canna community is quite sanctimonious. I'm embarrassed for you.

We have a lot seasoned growers on this forum who've selfed this cut in order to search the line for medical qualities and many more who've worked it and shared it with the community as well.
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Good morning Tangie :) yes I have the original and I selfed it and passed it around to people who didn't have access to the cut.

@MICHI-CAN I have to say my experience with feeding aligns with @PJ Diaz I've never run GG#4 above 1000 and that was my total count (including Ca/Mg and my 200 PPM water). Then again I'm running the actual clone only and I'm in hydro. Although I did pop many of the selfed seeds and found I could get a very close phenotype roughly every 15 or so seeds but even then their nutrient requirements were the same. JW did a good job.
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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curious2garden said:
Good morning Tangie :) yes I have the original and I selfed it and passed it around to people who didn't have access to the cut.

@MICHI-CAN I have to say my experience with feeding aligns with @PJ Diaz I've never run GG#4 above 1000 and that was my total count (including Ca/Mg and my 200 PPM water). Then again I'm running the actual clone only and I'm in hydro. Although I did pop many of the selfed seeds and found I could get a very close phenotype roughly every 15 or so seeds but even then their nutrient requirements were the same. JW did a good job.
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Good morning curious. I'm ashamed of my ignorance. 1/3 that you would recognize is text book this run. And the other is monster stacker. I like the variations. Keeps it interesting.

I don't grow like you guys. I'm in custom soil and my plants are honestly taking 1300+ ATM. All 6 strains. Only 1 is starting to revolt. GG as I have been educated. Here's a gg I have pic of on hand. It's legit. Been pushing nutes hard for years.

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curious2garden

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MICHI-CAN said:
Good morning curious. I'm ashamed of my ignorance. 1/3 that you would recognize is text book this run. And the other is monster stacker. I like the variations. Keeps it interesting.

I don't grow like you guys. I'm in custom soil and my plants are honestly taking 1300+ ATM. All 6 strains. Only 1 is starting to revolt. GG as I have been educated. Here's a gg I have pic of on hand. It's legit. Been pushing nutes hard for years.

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Actually that's GG#4 S1 so it will have variation from it's mother cut. But I don't know how you could be adding 1300 additional nutrients to a custom soil and not cook them. Possibly I'm misunderstanding. Then again I've only grown hydro.

Anyway you get to the finish line is success. Best of luck on this.
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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curious2garden said:
Actually that's GG#4 S1 so it will have variation from it's mother cut. But I don't know how you could be adding 1300 additional nutrients to a custom soil and not cook them. Possibly I'm misunderstanding. Then again I've only grown hydro.

Anyway you get to the finish line is success. Best of luck on this.
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Years of tweaking soil and frying plants. Got lot's of cloning practice. I never got over 950-1000 in hydro. 800 average. I have a few unpublished methods.

Thanks for the lineage. Nice knowing what I already thought.
 
natureboygrower

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Tangerine_ said:
I get that leaf twist when the pH is off. Some plants are super sensitive to pH fluctuation.

I've got a couple packs of Bad Dawgs 3headed dragon crosses. I should probably pop em. His freebies have always turned out fire.

@HydroRed - jeez man, sorry your thread took such weird turn. You've done great job documenting GG4.
I can honestly say, with all the info available, it never occurred to me that anyone would argue against her existence and her offspring or the existence of "cuts and clone onlies" in general *shrugs*
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Ok cool. Thank you. That makes sense, I didnt think the pinwheeling was that pronounced.
When I found that picture last night, I realized I had labeled the cross wrong over in the chuckers thread mentioning the gg4 was crossed with ortega. I looked up what the 3hd was and damn thats a nice bodhi cross with potential bleeders coming from the male dragonsblood f1 he used(which was a bleeder)
I did get a couple bleeders from the goji cross I made with the gg4×3hd. Thinking it was ortega, I could not figure out where that bleeding trait came from.
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Sorry to bungle up the thread even more @HydroRed. Bit of a aha moment for me with that cross.
 
Tangerine_

Tangerine_

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natureboygrower said:
I did get a couple bleeders from the goji cross I made with the gg4×3hd. Thinking it was ortega, I could not figure out where that bleeding trait came from.
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Sorry to bungle up the thread even more @HydroRed. Bit of a aha moment for me with that cross.
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That is a very cool trait. I've never gotten any bleeders but I do still have my Dragonsblood T-shirt from that original drop and love it.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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MICHI-CAN said:
Good morning curious. I'm ashamed of my ignorance. 1/3 that you would recognize is text book this run. And the other is monster stacker. I like the variations. Keeps it interesting.

I don't grow like you guys. I'm in custom soil and my plants are honestly taking 1300+ ATM. All 6 strains. Only 1 is starting to revolt. GG as I have been educated. Here's a gg I have pic of on hand. It's legit. Been pushing nutes hard for years.

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curious2garden said:
Actually that's GG#4 S1 so it will have variation from it's mother cut. But I don't know how you could be adding 1300 additional nutrients to a custom soil and not cook them. Possibly I'm misunderstanding. Then again I've only grown hydro.

Anyway you get to the finish line is success. Best of luck on this.
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It can get tricky when we start to discuss ppm, particularly because of the three differently weighted ppm measurements. If @MICHI-CAN is using a EUTech of Truncheon ppm scale, his "1400ppm" would be much closer to the 1000ppm measurement I use in the US. Because of this, it's probably better that we use EC. When I say 1000ppm, I mean 2.0EC.
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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PJ Diaz said:
It can get tricky when we start to discuss ppm, particularly because of the three differently weighted ppm measurements. If @MICHI-CAN is using a EUTech of Truncheon ppm scale, his "1400ppm" would be much closer to the 1000ppm measurement I use in the US. Because of this, it's probably better that we use EC. When I say 1000ppm, I mean 2.0EC.
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I'm US. No EC for me. Don't get the vastly differing results. Honestly no B.S.. I'll have to look into this. Due for a new meter. What are using? I'll buy one and try it that way. Thank you.
 
PJ Diaz

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MICHI-CAN said:
I'm US. No EC for me. Don't get the vastly differing results. Honestly no B.S.. I'll have to look into this. Due for a new meter. What are using? I'll buy one and try it that way. Thank you.
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I just use a cheap Hannah-style one from Amazon, but it will convert ppm to EC with a push of a button. I actually prefer to measure PPM, because it's more accurate, but my point was about different people comparing ppm with potentially different weighted meters, however there is only one measurement of EC.
 
HydroRed

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natureboygrower said:
Wow, this thread went right off the rails lol. Can somebody tell me if the pinwheeling trait can be seen in this baddawg gg4 clone only× 3 headed dragon or am I seeing things? It was a male I used outdoors 2019.
View attachment 4691009

Lol! My good friend was given his grandmother's non GT 5.0 late 80's convertible mustang in 1996. Damn, everything about that car was a pos. The radio was garbage, it was an automatic and the top stopped working after some use lol. I looked for sone pics of a model online but I think ford mustve had them all scrubbed.
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I can see some glue in that. Not so much "pinwheeling" as other causes of that can be evident in grows as mentioned by Tangie but when the leaf edge you have circled looks like there is an invisible string glued to the edge of the leaf and someone is pulling up on the string.....thats the glue I see. This is a trait pretty much only seen in veg, and goes away in flower.
Tangerine_ said:
I get that leaf twist when the pH is off. Some plants are super sensitive to pH fluctuation.

I've got a couple packs of Bad Dawgs 3headed dragon crosses. I should probably pop em. His freebies have always turned out fire.

@HydroRed - jeez man, sorry your thread took such weird turn. You've done great job documenting GG4.
I can honestly say, with all the info available, it never occurred to me that anyone would argue against her existence and her offspring or the existence of "cuts and clone onlies" in general *shrugs*
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No worries, I gave up quickly and figured it would work itself out and/or someone would get post fatigued lol. Bad Dawg does have some fire crosses. Im ready to drop a couple packs of some Blackberry Banana Kush x Long Bottom Leaf myself to hunt through again pretty soon. DBJ was very kind in gifting me a cpl packs when he found out I had been hunting for more of these after finding a killler plant in a 5 pack a cpl yrs back -and unfortunately I didnt take cuts like a dummy. Hes putting out heaters with the LBL and the LBF crosses. Seen a lot of bleeders from the 3HD crosses as well.
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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MICHI-CAN said:
And I suppose "Jay's" are the only real potatoe chips out there? And you don't own an automobile if it's not Ford? This thread is seperating the realist from the capitalists pretty quick.
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You're not understanding the reality.

Jose Wales found the original pheno in bagseed. He liked the pheno and called it guerilla glue #4, because it was the 4 seed popped. It is literally all on icmag forum from the very beginning...

Edit. Should have kept on reading before posting that, lol. Good lord
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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HydroRed said:
I can see some glue in that. Not so much "pinwheeling" as other causes of that can be evident in grows as mentioned by Tangie but when the leaf edge you have circled looks like there is an invisible string glued to the edge of the leaf and someone is pulling up on the string.....thats the glue I see. This is a trait pretty much only seen in veg, and goes away in flower.

No worries, I gave up quickly and figured it would work itself out and/or someone would get post fatigued lol. Bad Dawg does have some fire crosses. Im ready to drop a couple packs of some Blackberry Banana Kush x Long Bottom Leaf myself to hunt through again pretty soon. DBJ was very kind in gifting me a cpl packs when he found out I had been hunting for more of these after finding a killler plant in a 5 pack a cpl yrs back -and unfortunately I didnt take cuts like a dummy. Hes putting out heaters with the LBL and the LBF crosses. Seen a lot of bleeders from the 3HD crosses as well.
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Apologies.
 
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