Real GG#4???

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althor

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arctic farmer said:
Oh yeah forgot to mention, I did stop feeding (except cal-mag for a total of 310 ppm) about 12 days ago (day 50) - they do not look hungry at all.. Temp huh? I rarely get to 86 but it did peak that high or maybe higher when I was running the old ac - it was all on or all off, thats why I bought the new mini (which I love so far!) right now it's 80 and should stay closer to that until winter. I was thinking maybe the N was too high - I didn't know a good way to back it off without loosing calcium since I use cal-nit for N but I will start my next run a bit lower thanks! I'll try backing off the Epsom and Cal-Nit then add Cal-Mag back.

Thanks!
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I would say it was the heat that caused it to grow foxtailed like that.
 
HydroRed

HydroRed

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Dog Star said:
What strain this is..???


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P.S.---- This strain is a Headbanger F2 X Fake GG#4... personal cross with cut that tricked Joesy Whales...
if you look progeny that is mixed with HB you can still sees traits that you think are crucial for confirming
Real GG#4 cut..
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Internodal spacing is too tight and the leaf serrations are too big in the one you have pictured. Other than that it does look pretty on for a cut. "The devil's in the details" so they say. Theres only so much anyone can perceive through a picture on the internet though (Josey Wales included). Guessing about a plant gets so much more complex than how it looks when you are using everything available to identify. A picture could very possibly fool me, but you wont fool my nose, fingers, and taste buds.
 
HydroRed

HydroRed

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arctic farmer said:
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ok people, what am I doing wrong here besides being lazy. This is my first gg4, I tossed the clone in with another run, so it only vegged a week, it also had to live with what I was feeding at the time and the LED lights were dialed up. The clone was sourced at Archive Seed in Portland. The rest of the run was Primal Punch (a GG#4 x Banana Punch cross) which do great with the specs below.

I currently grow in 3 gal pots with coco.

Feeding Jacks 321 (3.6/2.4/1.4 grams/gal) and various rooting stuff like mycos. In flower they are feed three times a day Lights on at 7, feed at 8a 12p and 4pm lights off at 7p (I'm thinking of dropping the noon feeding)

my water is well water with a initial PPM (0.500 scale) of about 130, my total value is 1040 PPM and 5.8ish on PH

Lighting is LED strips (PLC version, Samsung 301B and CREE XP-E Photo Red) 630 watts at the wall. Plants were not closer than 16 inches at the worst. This is my first run with the strips, I'm coming from 1000x HPS lighting in the 5x5.

a 5x5 tent extended to 8 feet high and a few fans, ok a lot of fans.

Temps 77 to 86, Humidity 30 to 50% (that low end temp is rare, I was dialing in a new mini split)

The photo is from about day 60 (day 70 is next weekend) Fox tails are rock hard and a tester smoke harvested at 50ish days was a lively GG4.

The consensus here seems to be harvest at day 63 but it doesn't look ready to me, So I'm going to wait until day 70, the rest of the run beside this clone will last until maybe 14 weeks (Sativa goodness) and the Primal punch was harvested a few weeks ago.

I know fox tailing is not unheard of with GG4 but really? I have heard it could be from a high EC? I have gg4 clones started and I'm thinking they will be my next run, how do I avoid the fox tails and add a bit of bulk?
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By day 70 you'll be getting a heavy chocolate goin on. Shes ready to go at 63, but the Choc Diesel side shines through at around 70 days or so.
Judging by the looks, I'd guess it was fed a bit (N) heavy after the 12/12 stretch was done. She'll foxtail, but will do like yours did with the wrong feed strengths (too high Nitrogen/excessive Cal/Mg) after stretch. Temps can be an issue in regards to foxtailing as mentioned but your leaf tips show nutrient excess.
I've had her do the same with me when I fed her "wrong".
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My best runs for weight with her were around 550-600 ppm after shes done stretching. P/K boost weeks 4-7 and if you taper feed -dont do it til the last week before harvest.
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

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HydroRed said:
Internodal spacing is too tight and the leaf serrations are too big in the one you have pictured. Other than that it does look pretty on for a cut. "The devil's in the details" so they say. Theres only so much anyone can perceive through a picture on the internet though (Josey Wales included). Guessing about a plant gets so much more complex than how it looks when you are using everything available to identify. A picture could very possibly fool me, but you wont fool my nose, fingers, and taste buds.
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You have good eye HydroRed but some newbie will have lot more problems in reading plant...

goal of mine post was just to show you how Fake GG#4 gives progeny that have traits of Real GG#4
no matter i worked with Fake cut and progeny is just 50% a faker..

Fake GG#4 in vegetation is true enigma..,need to find pictures and then i show you how simmilar she is to real deal cut..
you will understand then even better why this plant was decive us all and why i telling you that before in previous
reply on GG#4 known traits..



All the best man and kind regards
 
curious2garden

curious2garden

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Dog Star said:
You have good eye HydroRed but some newbie will have lot more problems in reading plant...

goal of mine post was just to show you how Fake GG#4 gives progeny that have traits of Real GG#4
no matter i worked with Fake cut and progeny is just 50% a faker..

Fake GG#4 in vegetation is true enigma..,need to find pictures and then i show you how simmilar she is to real deal cut..
you will understand then even better why this plant was decive us all and why i telling you that before in previous
reply on GG#4 known traits..



All the best man and kind regards
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Hi Dog Star,
A couple things, with the large number of hybrids available out there the only way you can identify a strain with 100% certainty is via DNA comparison with a known progenitor. So if people have hybridized the original cut it would not be surprising to see progeny with greater or lesser traits of it's parent. Although you can visually identify traits of a strain you can never be completely certain it is 100% that strain without DNA analysis.

You can also have regenerative mutations and epigenetic stresses within cloned generations that can also alter a strain's growth pattern. So someone may have a legitimate clone that no longer performs like it's previous cloned progeny did.

Nice looking plant pics.
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

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curious2garden said:
Hi Dog Star,
A couple things, with the large number of hybrids available out there the only way you can identify a strain with 100% certainty is via DNA comparison with a known progenitor. So if people have hybridized the original cut it would not be surprising to see progeny with greater or lesser traits of it's parent. Although you can visually identify traits of a strain you can never be completely certain it is 100% that strain without DNA analysis.

You can also have regenerative mutations and epigenetic stresses within cloned generations that can also alter a strain's growth pattern. So someone may have a legitimate clone that no longer performs like it's previous cloned progeny did.

Nice looking plant pics.
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Also good thinking... am haved proposition from Grizz to send sample for DNA testing for 150 dollars..
thing is i dont need DNA test cause later in flowering mine Fake GG#4 looks much different and
have some more colour than Real cut..

lot of people says for terp profile of Real GG#4 that is not nothing special... but these Fake GG#4 that i have
its very special..,turbo-complex and terpy loud smells that please what ever person tryed her buds....
mighty potent but not so much toward couchlock side like i read from reviews on real cut,
its definitly different animal...
 
curious2garden

curious2garden

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Staff member
Dog Star said:
Also good thinking... am haved proposition from Grizz to send sample for DNA testing for 150 dollars..
thing is i dont need DNA test cause later in flowering mine Fake GG#4 looks much different and
have some more colour than Real cut..

lot of people says for terp profile of Real GG#4 that is not nothing special... but these Fake GG#4 that i have
its very special..,turbo-complex and terpy loud smells that please what ever person tryed her buds....
mighty potent but not so much toward couchlock side like i read from reviews on real cut,
its definitly different animal...
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Hi Dog Star,
If you can pay for the DNA especially with Grizz helping out it would tell you exactly what you have. But if it's not important to you and you are happy with what you have no worries.

I've found you can dial in the high you wish to some degree by when you choose to harvest. Clearer trichomes always bring a fairly up high whereas if you wait until they are all amber you get a sledge hammer for sleep.
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

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curious2garden said:
Hi Dog Star,
If you can pay for the DNA especially with Grizz helping out it would tell you exactly what you have. But if it's not important to you and you are happy with what you have no worries.

I've found you can dial in the high you wish to some degree by when you choose to harvest. Clearer trichomes always bring a fairly up high whereas if you wait until they are all amber you get a sledge hammer for sleep.
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Its not important as we was 100% its not real deal cause of way mine cut finishing,it can become purple-black if
final flowering temps are low... but in a vegetative,specialy in start its very hard to recognize them..

am live Fake GG#4 for 70 days to flower... it looks it can go 77-84 also but i never lived them so long..
 
Airwalker16

Airwalker16

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Bigmanbuds said:
I've got a gg plant not sure if it's #4 or not but the buds are going purple so I think she's a cross any body here had the same experience?
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Purple is never a definitive sign of a strains lineage. Unless you're able to keep your grow area above 82°F at ALL TIMES, it could be a number of things that cause purpling even down to just using LEDs.
 
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Bigmanbuds

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I'm in the flush stage at the moment so my temps are low 40% humidity and 17c night juring the day its between 20 and 22 if i had it at 27c like you said there would be no doubt in my mind that there would be powdery mildew I've got three other strains a blue cheese a honey cream and last but not least a critical the only one that's purple is the gg so was just asking if anyone else has had purple buds on the gg
 
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Hempire828

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My friend came over with a bag of GG4...
This is probably some of the loudest reefer I’ve smelt in awhile... I mean all go green is stinky.. but this has an aroma that 1 gram in the car smells like a pound!!
Anyway Idk if it was from clone or a S1 or what but I do know it was fire and tasted great.. I swapped an 1/8 out and while breaking it down I found a seed..
I’ve never grow a bag seed but I have a feeling this 1 seed was a gift..
I’ve heard there prone to hermie.. but I think I’m gonna give it a try.. she has sunk to the bottom of the cup..will keep it posted!!
 
Airwalker16

Airwalker16

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Hempire828 said:
My friend came over with a bag of GG4...
This is probably some of the loudest reefer I’ve smelt in awhile... I mean all go green is stinky.. but this has an aroma that 1 gram in the car smells like a pound!!
Anyway Idk if it was from clone or a S1 or what but I do know it was fire and tasted great.. I swapped an 1/8 out and while breaking it down I found a seed..
I’ve never grow a bag seed but I have a feeling this 1 seed was a gift..
I’ve heard there prone to hermie.. but I think I’m gonna give it a try.. she has sunk to the bottom of the cup..will keep it posted!!
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It could be a hermie, could be some fire. I don't think it's worth the time to find out
 
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