re doing system

what is wrong with a under current system

from messing around with water and other things for years ...i can see the undercurrent idea has the most vaule
1 the particals in the water can not settle .....the undercurrent would sweep them to the next tank and with the air stone in the tanks too that keeps it afloat
2 the temps should be much more stable since it is always moving the heat in the water will transfer to the whole system not just be stuck in one spot ......looking at atleast a 15 to 20 gallons of water

3 i am planing to use a drip rings in the veggie stage to get the roots down in that water faster (it works better on my second grow knocked off about 10 days )

i know about large roots need large amounts of food and PHing atleast 2 times a day if not more ....hence the RDWC 1 mixing cell to test


as for the air stone no worries i know all about nano bubbles and micro pore stones .............as for air i like atleast 1 gallon of air to go tho the bucket a min .....currently i have 3 gallons going with a micro pore stone in a 3 gallon bucket want to see the results (but i have straved the plant little so i would not make a monster

justugh said:

what is wrong with a under current system

from messing around with water and other things for years ...i can see the undercurrent idea has the most vaule
1 the particals in the water can not settle .....the undercurrent would sweep them to the next tank and with the air stone in the tanks too that keeps it afloat
2 the temps should be much more stable since it is always moving the heat in the water will transfer to the whole system not just be stuck in one spot ......looking at atleast a 15 to 20 gallons of water

3 i am planing to use a drip rings in the veggie stage to get the roots down in that water faster (it works better on my second grow knocked off about 10 days )

i know about large roots need large amounts of food and PHing atleast 2 times a day if not more ....hence the RDWC 1 mixing cell to test


as for the air stone no worries i know all about nano bubbles and micro pore stones .............as for air i like atleast 1 gallon of air to go tho the bucket a min .....currently i have 3 gallons going with a micro pore stone in a 3 gallon bucket want to see the results (but i have straved the plant little so i would not make a monster

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I said it was overkill not that there was something wrong with it, plus the price tag wow. You can make your own for about 200.00 for a six site setup. Far better than paying a grand for someone elses branded shit.
Your putting too much worry into it all. I only check ph in the bubblers once or twice after a flush and if using a res once it has settled it usually stay's good until flushing which was about every two weeks. Also I think you got the whole keeping it cool by running running it thru all that pipe and tubing backwards as all that tubing, piping or whatever will absorb heat from your lamps hence it will warm thing up not cool it off. But you got a good know how and I'm sure you won't run into to many problems.
I posted some new pics today:https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/751139-how-do-you-think-there-27.html#post10286277 the diesel is in bubblers.

i am only going to be doing 4 ...........any more then that is being greedy .........even just getting a HP off each plant is more then enought for my needs and buddies

ok i missread............i like overkill

this way if i do hit any issuses i have some play room ...............your plants are looking better then my 2nd one i got mad redvein from the ph dropping below 5.6 .......when i went to sleep i made it 6.0 with extra 1/4 gallon in went back 13 hours later it is 5.4 and needs 3/4 of a gallon just to be at lvl (whole gallon to get back to where i had it) .......and i am only on the 2nd week of flowering out 5 weeks with auto sometimes 6

can i ask what Feed line u are using ...............that was my next step after i finallized the design in my head
i been using a mix of 4 lines
fox farms
flora
Advance Nutrients
and Lama poop thanks to TekDc.............this is great for micrbos in the soil so trying little in this grow

the llama poop sounds like a no-no in hydro. There won't be microbes around to break it down and will be a recipe for disaster!
from what i hear, if going hydro pick a hydro specific line, and you will avoid pH troubles caused by how the nutrients were derived. Example of this is ammonical nitrogen, nitrate nitrogen, and nitrogen from urine (urical??)

anyways, hydro will call for a ratio primarily with nitrate nitrogen, which would work in soil, but a formula with mainly ammonical or whatever else nitrogen could really throw things off growing hydroponically. The same rules apply to the other nutrients in the line and will make a huge impact on how things are controlled
just something I learned that I though might help and be relevant.

justugh said:

i am only going to be doing 4 ...........any more then that is being greedy .........even just getting a HP off each plant is more then enought for my needs and buddies

ok i missread............i like overkill

this way if i do hit any issuses i have some play room ...............your plants are looking better then my 2nd one i got mad redvein from the ph dropping below 5.6 .......when i went to sleep i made it 6.0 with extra 1/4 gallon in went back 13 hours later it is 5.4 and needs 3/4 of a gallon just to be at lvl (whole gallon to get back to where i had it) .......and i am only on the 2nd week of flowering out 5 weeks with auto sometimes 6

can i ask what Feed line u are using ...............that was my next step after i finallized the design in my head
i been using a mix of 4 lines
fox farms
flora
Advance Nutrients
and Lama poop thanks to TekDc.............this is great for micrbos in the soil so trying little in this grow

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The diesel are getting Jakes Nutrients g,m,b and I give them a bit of peroxide when I flush thats it. The kush is in reg potting soil, perlite and peat moss and they get AN jj g,m,b npp and some peroxide sometimes thats it.

Actually I detested autos until I ran outta seed & was forced to germ them.. Actually I like them now because they keep on growing well into flowering- hope it get a decent yield but I would grow autos again for sure...built aero-rails because of the daunting expense of what would have been my rdwc....plus the insane amount of water it would've needed to run

well the flora is the base
grow micro bloom
the AN is all micbros
the fox farms is the powders i use a scoop in the middle of the weeks cycles during the flowering
the lama poo is processed has no smell or anything i use the bloom and the micbro builder ( organic to keep micbros alive and happy in water ) they say it is good for hydro systems aslong as no light gets on the system (water that is) and u store them out of direct light

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why ............i have Hids now but the amount of power will blow that rooms breakers (current have set up going to 3 different breakers 2 600s 1 1000 and a bunch of fans and air pumps)

LED the watts they drawl are about 1/2 the listed rating and the amps are tiny...........with those i could run the whole room on one breaker and still have 4 amps left reducing the power by nearly half what i am using

i was not going cheap LED i did my work 90 degree angle 10 band 11 if i can get it ....but i want white 12000k IR and UVB plus the other normal ones

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1000 watts is 1000 watts. Watts is a formula of Volts * Amps.... I don't understand what your saying. Are you saying LED's listed as drawing 1500 watts draw less? I've never seen an LED grow that impressed me. I don't believe in the BS that they're awesome as long as there supplemented to HID's.

Is English your second language?

- Jiji

jijiandfarmgang said:

1000 watts is 1000 watts. Watts is a formula of Volts * Amps.... I don't understand what your saying. Are you saying LED's listed as drawing 1500 watts draw less? I've never seen an LED grow that impressed me. I don't believe in the BS that they're awesome as long as there supplemented to HID's.

Is English your second language?

- Jiji

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yes it is as i am a american and i speak american ...........if your talking about the grammer it is dyslexic and the lack of caring about doing corrections .....aslong as the point gets across then i am good

yes english and american are 2 different things i had a 100% off the boat english grandmother ........so i can speak and understand both to a point


as for LED lights ...............yes ma'am (going off your icon) the actual power drawl on them is different then the rated wattage
this is Blackdog Led they are one of the best if not the best due to there light forulma and design
http://www.blackdogled.com/Platinum_XL-U.html

as u see that is the 1500w but they tell u the power drawl is only 750 watts ........it is the design of the LEDs they use power much more effectivly then a Hid does since the engery is converted to DC

it is the same thing with CFLs if u crack the base open u will see a AC to DC converter inside of it this allows u to lower the watts u need since u can use electronics will controll the engery flow better

a hid u are passing a current tho the bulb to burn or excite the gas ........think of a hid like the old style light bulbs the engery passes over a something and burns inside cuasing the light to comes out ...........this needs more enery to maintain the lightwaves ............as in where u turn on a cfl it cost more turning it on and off then just leaving it running the gas is excited and only need a low watt to keep it going not the full power

All the theory seems nice but where is the proof?

I am familiar with electronics and theory to an extent. I'm not an electrical engineer but did attend college for it. LED's suck. Spend the money and run a new circuit. HPS is where its at for now. END of story. I wish there was something better that used less watts and ran cooler, and cost less but it doesn't exist as of now.

- Jiji

P.S. I wouldn't ever buy anything from HTG supply including hydro systems

So "american" to you means speaking like an uneducated moron? I know plenty of people with dyslexia. I think you've been misdiagnosed.

justugh said:

yes it is as i am a american and i speak american ...........if your talking about the grammer it is dyslexic and the lack of caring about doing corrections .....aslong as the point gets across then i am good

yes english and american are 2 different things i had a 100% off the boat english grandmother ........so i can speak and understand both to a point

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It seems you have an agenda, as you are totally misleading potential led buyers

There are a number of very good led grow lights, though the dog is not one of them.

Thanks to newer heat sink design, coupled with cob chips, a number of growers are rockin serious buddage, even with off the shelf products

DIYers are using SOTA chips achieving 40%+ efficiency

Go to LED Forums to see with your own lying eyes

jijiandfarmgang said:

All the theory seems nice but where is the proof?

I am familiar with electronics and theory to an extent. I'm not an electrical engineer but did attend college for it. LED's suck. Spend the money and run a new circuit. HPS is where its at for now. END of story. I wish there was something better that used less watts and ran cooler, and cost less but it doesn't exist as of now.

- Jiji

P.S. I wouldn't ever buy anything from HTG supply including hydro systems

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churchhaze said:

So "american" to you means speaking like an uneducated moron? I know plenty of people with dyslexia. I think you've been misdiagnosed.

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moron am i speaking gang slang or ebonics..............if the own country will not even admit they have a offical lang what do i care (usa has no offical lang) hence cities in the south converting over to all spainsh ..............and u have no clue about it since it is different for each person i skip words i double them up and i spell the next one in my head invert numbers

and who in the hell made u the spelling grammer cop .............are u so anal retentive that if u see something not prefect u need to fix it or make fun of it .........alls this is showing is how big of a asshole/jackass u are on a normal day

learn to accept ppl for the way they are .........not the way u want them to be


just to point out it fucking does not matter .............in 80 years the lang will be something different do we talk like 1800's or even the 1900
bee's knees and all that ..................so shut the fuck up and learn to deal and if that is not posible get killed doing something stuip save the rest of the world from U

PetFlora said:

It seems you have an agenda, as you are totally misleading potential led buyers

There are a number of very good led grow lights, though the dog is not one of them.

Thanks to newer heat sink design, coupled with cob chips, a number of growers are rockin serious buddage, even with off the shelf products

DIYers are using SOTA chips achieving 40%+ efficiency

Go to LED Forums to see with your own lying eyes

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i did my work on LEDs about 3 months ago
when i did the 2 most spoken and said hell yah great lights were
Black Star and Blackdog...................they are both known for using good parts and the lightwaves they admit has gotten good results for the other ppl

if u know of something other then link me the names and i will do the leg work to increase my understanding of them and pass the info to other ppl

any light i get i want to get a decent amount of time to coverage on it nothing crazy like 5 years 3 years would be fine half the normal hours .........runing it 20/4 would give me 6.8 years of growing .....42 auto grows before replacement

jijiandfarmgang said:

All the theory seems nice but where is the proof?

I am familiar with electronics and theory to an extent. I'm not an electrical engineer but did attend college for it. LED's suck. Spend the money and run a new circuit. HPS is where its at for now. END of story. I wish there was something better that used less watts and ran cooler, and cost less but it doesn't exist as of now.

- Jiji

P.S. I wouldn't ever buy anything from HTG supply including hydro systems

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ma'am

the proof is out there ...............if HIDs were te best the old style light bulbs would still be on the market since they are very easy to make

if u walk down the light isle in any home improvement store u will see everything has turned to CFL or LED ..........they might carry the old small burn bulbs for hanging lights or something like that but the normal one that goes into a light socket are gone

then u do the math .........HID system gets 20000 hours and any grower worth damn knows at about 10,000 hours they need to be replaced to get back those burnt out lumens ............now i do autos so a dual arc bulb is great for me ........at 168 a bulb(that was the cost last time) now times that by 5 840 bucks in bulbs for the same amount of time on LED 50,000..............with the ballast the hood and the lights for the same amount of run time u are at about 1000 bucks 1060 taxes..........now add in the power cost of running 1000w for 20 hours that is 20kw a day (led my 1500w is 750w a hour 15kw a day ) in 4 days that saves me a whole day of running a HID

justugh said:

moron am i speaking gang slang or ebonics..............if the own country will not even admit they have a offical lang what do i care (usa has no offical lang) hence cities in the south converting over to all spainsh ..............and u have no clue about it since it is different for each person i skip words i double them up and i spell the next one in my head invert numbers

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What?

justugh said:

and who in the hell made u the spelling grammer cop .............are u so anal retentive that if u see something not prefect u need to fix it or make fun of it .........alls this is showing is how big of a asshole/jackass u are on a normal day

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What?

justugh said:

learn to accept ppl for the way they are .........not the way u want them to be

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What?

justugh said:

just to point out it fucking does not matter .............in 80 years the lang will be something different do we talk like 1800's or even the 1900
bee's knees and all that ..................so shut the fuck up and learn to deal and if that is not posible get killed doing something stuip save the rest of the world from U

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Wait ..................what?

and u called me a moron

u should never have kids and if u do .....give them away to anouther family lets hope nature loses out to nurture

good day

No agenda. Sometimes I come off as a rude, but I'm trying to help.

Led's are great and have many purposes. I use them all over the place. Not for growing though. If your growing in a cab or something I'm sure they might be fine.

Why don't commercial growers (of anything) use them? I've only seen HPS. Many times in the agricultural business their profits are wafer thin. The only agenda they have is trying to make a profit.

Petflora, I'm sure you've invested many dollars in High pressure Aero and LED's. Could give us a detailed cost benefit analysis of that? Do you think your grows are superior than others using simpler systems with HPS?

- Jiji

jijiandfarmgang said:

No agenda. Sometimes I come off as a rude, but I'm trying to help.

Led's are great and have many purposes. I use them all over the place. Not for growing though. If your growing in a cab or something I'm sure they might be fine.

Why don't commercial growers (of anything) use them? I've only seen HPS. Many times in the agricultural business their profits are wafer thin. The only agenda they have is trying to make a profit.

Petflora, I'm sure you've invested many dollars in High pressure Aero and LED's. Could give us a detailed cost benefit analysis of that? Do you think your grows are superior than others using simpler systems with HPS?

- Jiji

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ma'am

someone else pointed me to this place
http://www.advancedledlights.com/

they have some videos u can check out ..............and the offer a 90 day return so u could try one yourself with no risk of losing your funds

u will get the first hand proof that u seek with out any risk i can see (well shipping it back might be out 60 bucks ) ...............may i say try it with a auto seed since they are 73 days from seed to smokeable so u could grow ...dry...and test.....before the 90 day time is up