quick SOG question

Steadmanclan

Steadmanclan

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I have recently decided to try out the SOG method. I intend to veg for one to two weeks after transplanting my clones. I will be flowering og kush, blue mystic, and ak-48. Because I have never done this before I just have one question.

Will one-gallon buckets be sufficient, or should I use two. My instinct suggests that it will probably work perfectly with the one-gallon buckets... obviously I don't want to have to transplant during flowering. I would love a little input from someone who has done it.
 
OregonMeds

OregonMeds

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Yes those are fine. You won't be growing monster plants with 1-2 weeks veg so you don't need more than that. How many plants in what size area and with what light? (just asking to see if we can fix a problem before hand rather than after)
 
Steadmanclan

Steadmanclan

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im using square pots either way. i have the 2-gallon, but i will go get the one gallon.

I will have an area that is about 3'x3' i'm building a tent in my grow room that will have it's own 8500 btu a/c unit and a Co2 boost system that will just be feeding the tent. my mom area is 4'x3'. I will have one 400watt hps and one 200 watt CFL (not 200 watt replacement, actually 200 watt) in the flowering tent. And a 4' 6 bulb t-5 light over my mommies. i think i will probably have 15 plants or so in the SOG setup. maybe more, maybe less. I'm not there yet.

how many do you all think should be put into that situation?
 
GlassFreak

GlassFreak

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15 or 16 is what i came up with just thinkin about the space... it should be fine. looks like you got a good plan man.
 
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McGruppsMonsters

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You can push the number of plants all the way up to 20 in your 3X3 area too. Take more cuts than you need, as some may die, and then weed out the weaker ones so you're left with the strongest 20 plants in your 3X3 area.

Your pot size will work just fine - lots of people go even smaller in a SOG format... sometimes much smaller. Contrary to what most books say and reccomend, I've grown 4.5 - 5 foot tall plants in 3\4 gallon pots and besides needing to pay closer attention to lock out and nutrient issues... I had no problems at all. I'm not sure all strains can handle that small of a growing area, but the Sour Diesel I have doesn't seem to mind it at all.

Keep us posted!
 
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McGruppsMonsters

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Also, I don't work with CFLs a ton but I think if you can spare the extra money, I'd just move the 400 watter over to the mom\cloning area and buy a 600 watt lamp for your flowering. You'll get quicker growth on your moms and you could even do a week or so of your vegging time inside of your mother chamber without problem. Just a suggestion, your plan sounds good tho!
 
panhead

panhead

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I grow sog,when i 1st started the rotating sog i was using 3 gallon pots,i went to 2 gallon on the 2nd crop & finally down to 3.5 quart pots & thats where im staying,ive found that not only can you use the smaller pots successfully it also sped up the total bud phase by about a week.

I attribute the faster growth rate in my grows to the plants recieving fresh oxygen from the more frequent waterings/feedings,when im in heavy bud i need to water every day,i also keep my water oxygenated 24/7 with multiple air stones so i know the plants are recieving max oxygen at every watering.

I go from clone & let the clones root for 10 days,then after transplant they veg for 14 to 16 days making the total veg time around a month,then its off to the bud room they go.

You will need to pay very close attention to the plants nutrient needs in small pots,i have to feed the group of plants that are in heavy bud at every watering,its very easy to starve the plants using 3.5 quart pots,this is the only time i flush my plants,i flush them once when they are half way through the bud phase to make sure the daily feedings wont cause nute lock.
 
Steadmanclan

Steadmanclan

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McGruppsMonsters said:
Also, I don't work with CFLs a ton but I think if you can spare the extra money, I'd just move the 400 watter over to the mom\cloning area and buy a 600 watt lamp for your flowering. You'll get quicker growth on your moms and you could even do a week or so of your vegging time inside of your mother chamber without problem. Just a suggestion, your plan sounds good tho!
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I intend to get a 600 watt hps with a digital ballast and a liquid cooled hood. if not by my next grow, then by the one after that. The price tag for the setup is around $1200.00 at my local shop. (just have to convince the old lady) once that happens, i will get one of those MH conversion bulbs for my 400watt ballast.
 
panhead

panhead

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Steadmanclan said:
I intend to get a 600 watt hps with a digital ballast and a liquid cooled hood. if not by my next grow, then by the one after that. The price tag for the setup is around $1200.00 at my local shop. (just have to convince the old lady) once that happens, i will get one of those MH conversion bulbs for my 400watt ballast.
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You might want to look at other alternatives over the liquid cooled lights,they are extremely over priced for what little benifit they offer,on top of that they are very dangerous by design,ive looked at these lights in person & they have several different design flaws that can allow for catastrophic faliure.

All that seperates the cooling liquid from a hot hid light is a simple gasket,if that gasket leaks even a single drop the entire light will explode.

Hydro shop salesmen push these lights as the next genertion of grow gear,supposed to correct any heat issues or to hide any heat signature from police,they rarely tell people how very few of these experimental systems are sold & also rarely tell people how much effort & other equipment is needed to operate these lights.

In my opinion you'd be much better off buying several 600 watt hps lights with cool tubes or vented hoods over those liquid cooled nightmares.

Nobody on any grow site that im aware of has ever posted any pics of a successfull grow op running these lights,for good reason too,they are without a doubt in my mind the most dangerous peice of indoor grow equipment ever designed anywhere, at any price.
 
Steadmanclan

Steadmanclan

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panhead said:
You might want to look at other alternatives over the liquid cooled lights,they are extremely over priced for what little benifit they offer,on top of that they are very dangerous by design,ive looked at these lights in person & they have several different design flaws that can allow for catastrophic faliure.

All that seperates the cooling liquid from a hot hid light is a simple gasket,if that gasket leaks even a single drop the entire light will explode.

Hydro shop salesmen push these lights as the next genertion of grow gear,supposed to correct any heat issues or to hide any heat signature from police,they rarely tell people how very few of these experimental systems are sold & also rarely tell people how much effort & other equipment is needed to operate these lights.

In my opinion you'd be much better off buying several 600 watt hps lights with cool tubes or vented hoods over those liquid cooled nightmares.

Nobody on any grow site that im aware of has ever posted any pics of a successfull grow op running these lights,for good reason too,they are without a doubt in my mind the most dangerous peice of indoor grow equipment ever designed anywhere, at any price.
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Wow.. no shit. I have never heard any of that. I was mainly trying to eliminate heat inside my flowering area in a way that seemed to be more efffective than an air cooled hood.

Maybi'll save my money and just pick up a better ac unit if Mine isn't sufficient with the larger bulb.

Thank you my friend.
 
panhead

panhead

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Steadmanclan said:
Wow.. no shit. I have never heard any of that. I was mainly trying to eliminate heat inside my flowering area in a way that seemed to be more efffective than an air cooled hood.

Maybi'll save my money and just pick up a better ac unit if Mine isn't sufficient with the larger bulb.

Thank you my friend.
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All you gotta do is have the hydro shop show you the complete set up in person,then look at the parts included,the entire saftey of the liquid cool tube is dependant on a single gasket,the cooling tube has a gasket on each end of the tube,all it takes is for the gasket to not seat properly & its bulb explosion time.

Have them put a light meter under their liquid cooled set up as well,then have them measure the light output from a regular light,or even a cool tube,the water surrounding the cooling tube severely cuts lumen output,you'd be lucky to end up with the lumens of a 300 watt bulb with all that water around the light.

Why not just get a light system that you can attach an exhaust fan to like a enclosed hood or cool tube,same principal only without the added danger.
 
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