Quantum Par Meter Opinions?

Hugo Phurst

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This could be just me, but I don't really put much faith in anything that uses "Quantum" in it's description :P
Isn't it ppfd rather than par that you want?
 

Delps8

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Why do you want to buy a PAR meter?

I ask because I own and use an Apogee, I own a Unit-T light meter, and I have tested, twice, Photone. If I was in the market for a way to measure lighting for my grow, I'd go with the Uni-T Bluetooth. The Uni-T Bluetooth model is, in practical terms, as accurate as an Apogee and is available for about 1/20 of the price.
 
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Delps8

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This could be just me, but I don't really put much faith in anything that uses "Quantum" in it's description :P
Isn't it ppfd rather than par that you want?
PPFD is how PAR is expressed.

If PAR is rain, PPFD is now much rain is falling in a certain area in a certain amount of time.

PAR = photosynthetically active radiation. Currently, PAR consists of light between in the range 400nm and 700nm. With far red (730nm) being used in more lights, the moniker "ePar" is used for light in the 400-730nm range.

PPFD - photosynthetic photon flux density which is the number of photons of PAR that fall on a given area in a give time and the common unit of measure is µmol/square meter/second. µmol is a "micromol".

A PAR meter reports the PPFD in µmols.
 

LeastExpectedGrower

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The Photone app can be more or less accurate depending upon the hardware, but even so is probably a good option for most home growers to rough in their lighting intensity.

I have a Phantom Photobio, since the reviews and some lab work showed it was pretty damn close to a much more expensive Apogee meter for under $150. I've really liked it across a few grows and a couple years. You might consider the Uni-T 383BT though...it's a bluetooth enabled sensor that you'd use with phone app (works with a few of them), and can be had for less than 50$. Some people here seem to like it.
 

Orin190

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Why do you want to buy a PAR meter?

I ask because I own and use an Apogee, I own a Unit-T light meter, and I have tested, twice, Photone. If I was in the market for a way to measure lighting for my grow, I'd go with the Uni-T Bluetooth. The Uni-T Bluetooth model is, in practical terms, as accurate as an Apogee and is available for about 1/20 of the price.
okay so to be honest i don't know anything about quantum par meters or ppfd meters. my buddy keeps nagging the shit out of me that i need something better than the photone app and will help with time/yield. Also tells me i then need to research the strain and where it comes from and what amount of light they normally get in that area of the world and match that with the plant. i check the ppfd with photone probably about once a week until flower and it just set it at like 900 and forget it. seems to be working for me so far however if i do all of this and can improve the final product a little i will take a whack at it. Do i really need to go this deep and do i really need a light meter? Seems most growers have spent a few hundred on one.....
 

Hollatchaboy

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okay so to be honest i don't know anything about quantum par meters or ppfd meters. my buddy keeps nagging the shit out of me that i need something better than the photone app and will help with time/yield. Also tells me i then need to research the strain and where it comes from and what amount of light they normally get in that area of the world and match that with the plant. i check the ppfd with photone probably about once a week until flower and it just set it at like 900 and forget it. seems to be working for me so far however if i do all of this and can improve the final product a little i will take a whack at it. Do i really need to go this deep and do i really need a light meter? Seems most growers have spent a few hundred on one.....
Growing weed is easy. Growing weed optimally.... not so easy. Optimum light levels are part of the equation. Imo.... if you want the best grow you can get, a ppfd meter is clutch, but many grow without one.
 

Billy the Mountain

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.... Do i really need to go this deep and do i really need a light meter? Seems most growers have spent a few hundred on one.....
A UNI-T lux meter is within a few percent of the Apogee PAR meter as measured by Migro.
The basic UNI-T meter is ~$20, another 10 or so for bluetooth connectivity.
It makes little sense to spend more unless you're doing research for NASA.
 

Orin190

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A UNI-T lux meter is within a few percent of the Apogee PAR meter as measured by Migro.
The basic UNI-T meter is ~$20, another 10 or so for bluetooth connectivity.
It makes little sense to spend more unless you're doing research for NASA.
i remember reading this one time somewhere in the depths of this site. So this is what you're talking about?
https://www.amazon.com/UNI-T-Uni-Trend-UT383BT-Certificates-Illuminometers/dp/B0CDRWXJRZ/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=A+UNI-T+lux+bluetooth&qid=1700016259&sr=8-2&th=1
 

Lou66

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okay so to be honest i don't know anything about quantum par meters or ppfd meters. my buddy keeps nagging the shit out of me that i need something better than the photone app and will help with time/yield. Also tells me i then need to research the strain and where it comes from and what amount of light they normally get in that area of the world and match that with the plant. i check the ppfd with photone probably about once a week until flower and it just set it at like 900 and forget it. seems to be working for me so far however if i do all of this and can improve the final product a little i will take a whack at it. Do i really need to go this deep and do i really need a light meter? Seems most growers have spent a few hundred on one.....
No need to. The photone app can be calibrated with a good quantum meter. The it is accurate. Without calibration it will read wrong but reliably in the same way. So if you dial in your grow using the photone app you get a reproducible number to work with. You just can't then transfer these settings to a different light or to a different phone.
 

Delps8

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The Uni-T Bluetooth is the model to buy. I have no particular attachment to Uni-T - it was a popular meter when I started looking into this two years ago and, with the addition of Bluetooth, it's gone from a good solution to an excellent solution, in my opinion.

A lux meter reads light in the spectrum that humans see. PAR is a very different spectrum, however. What's the connection between lux and PPFD (PPFD is the amount of PAR expressed in µmols/sq meter/second for which I use "µmols") , you ask?

Well, you've got to do a bit of math to get the answer because even though different grow lights might put out the same amount of lux, they may not be putting out the same amount of PAR. Howzat? Check out the document that I've attached.

That document gives some idea of the differences in PAR that are generated by different lights but, in most situations, go with the 0.015 factor. What's a "factor"? Something that you multiple something else with. In this case, you multiply the reading from your lux meter by 0.015. If your canopy is getting 30000 lux, multiply that by 0.015 and that light is generating approximately 450µmols.

If you've got a light that's listed in the table, use that conversion factor if you want. The difference between 0.015 and 0.016 at 90k lux is 900µmols vs 960µmols (that's the range where you want your light levels to be, BTW). That doesn't sound like a lot but some plants will do fine at 900 but not at 960. On the other hand, there's about a 3% increase in yield according to research. But, if you can't be sure which number is accurate, how do you know what light level to use?

Get your plants to a high light level and watch your plants. If they show signs of stress (tacking/canoeing or rotating away from the light), back off by ½ of your increase, wait a few days, and try again.

That's why being perfectly accurate is not of any practical value — how plants handle high levels of light will vary from grow to grow and even plant to plant within a grow. Even more, the amount of light falling on the top of the canopy is significantly higher than the amount of light falling on the plants that are just a few inches lower. Yup, all of the work to buy an "accurate" meter and the best it's going to do is get us near our target. It's up to the grower to fine tune the light settings.

How much light should you try to get for your plants? Cannabis has a light saturation point of 800-1000µmols in an ambient CO2 assuming that light is the limiting factor. The latter phrase means that if you've mucked up you're watering or your VPD is off, your plant is not healthy enough to be able to process all of those photons. On the other hand, if your grow is set up well (refer to the "9 parameters" graphic). You'll be able to get to the light saturation point and your grow will reward you with a lot of weed.


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